If this video doesnt move you, then nothing ever will!

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Forget it...

[iceyspots 0]

mmmmmmmmm delicious murder loool

[pedroh 21]

i want some porkchops

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The viable alternative to that line of thought is that everything was created by a higher power and that we're not just here as some happy accident.

Actually, that alternative is not viable. There is not an iota of actual scientific evidence in support of it.

I guess it's not only Christians who drink the Kreationist Kool Aid.

That's funny... considering the majority of the people on this planet all believe we were created in some manner by a higher power... I guess we're all gullible idiots

Nobody is sayig that. But there's a good amount of stuff that would strongly suggest that the creator is quite idiotic putting together this kind of poorly designed #######:

The argument from poor design or dysteleological argument is an argument against the existence of God, specifically against the existence of a creator God (in the sense of a God that directly created all species of life). It is based on the following premise:

1) An omnipotent and omniscient God would create organisms that have optimal design.

2) Organisms have features that are suboptimal.

3) Therefore, God did not create organisms.

Examples of "poor design" cited include:

* The urinary tract in the human male, especially the unnecessary passage of the urethra through the prostate gland. As the prostate almost always grows with age, it eventually compresses the urethra and often makes urination difficult or even impossible.

* Barely used nerves and muscles (e.g. Plantaris muscle) that are missing in part of the human population and are routinely harvested as spare parts if needed during operations.

* Intricate reproductive devices in orchids, apparently constructed from components commonly used for different purposes in other flowers.

* The use by pandas of their enlarged radial sesamoid bones in a manner similar to how other creatures use thumbs.

* The pointless existence of the appendix in humans, also the corresponding potentially fatal condition of appendicitis.

* The striking non-symmetric structures and features of bony flatfish, such as flounder and halibut.

* The existence of unnecessary wings in flighless birds, e.g. ostriches.

* Portions of DNA — termed "junk" DNA — that do not appear to serve any purpose.

* The prevalence of congenital diseases and genetic disorders such as Huntington's Disease, and the inability for DNA to self-repair, leading to poor genetic performance, hereditable malformation and eventual death.

* The common malformation of the human spinal column, leading to scoliosis, sciatica and congenital misalignment of the vertebrae (vertebral subluxation)

* Photosynthetic plants that reflect green light, even though the sun's peak output is at this wavelength. A more optimal system of photosynthesis would use the entire solar spectrum, thus resulting in black plants.

* The existence of the pharynx, a passage used for both ingestion and respiration, with the consequent drastic increase in the risk of choking.

* The seemingly "backward-facing" arrangement of photoreceptors (and the related blind spots) within the retinas of many organisms, including all mammals.

* The structure of the human eye. The retina is "inside out" in that nerves and blood vessels lie on the surface of the retina instead of behind it as in invertebrate species. Six muscles move the eye when three would suffice.

* Crowded teeth and poor sinus drainage, as human faces are significantly flatter than those of other primates and humans share the same tooth set. This results in a number of problems, most notably with wisdom teeth.

* The harshness, cruelty and suffering that is inherent in the wild in general, such as the incredibly difficult and arduous life of Emperor Penguins as depicted in the documentary, March of the Penguins.

It is commonly argued that any designer of life on Earth would have to be inept, sadistic, or both.

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[pedroh 21]

uhh.. that's interesting there reinhard..

[triaxiom 0]

Personally, I'm not suggesting that if you genuinely don't give a f**k (like some of the people here with their petty and juvenile comments) to stop eating meat, if that's the case, fine, you're a ####, but if you do have a heart, and your view and sense of compassion extends to beyond your own stomach there ARE other options.

so eat meat and be a ####. or be compassionate and be a vegetarian. nice distinction there

Poorly stated, my bad.

It was more a case of if you could watch that video and not be a little bit moved and/or disturbed, then yes you are a ####.

uhh.. that's interesting there reinhard..

Yes it is.

[danae 0]

Ok, I'm a meat eater myself so I'll clarify that before I start.

I thought the video was awful and I would sincerely hope that the majority of farms and farmers do not treat their livestock anywhere near like that and I'm pretty certain that nowadays they probably don't. I do think however, and this is a point that hasn't come up as yet, that if there are animals being kept in cramped conditions etc it all boils down to economics ie: the consumer wants meat as cheaply as possible ergo, the producers try to get as much out as quickly and cheaply (to them) as possible. I mean just look at the price difference between organic and non organic produce (meat or veggies), personally I would much prefer to eat a organic veggie but it is cost prohibative most of the time! Likewise for meat. I'm not saying that this is right but it is probably the facts of the matter, get the consumer to pay more and maybe just maybe, meat production would be less 'cruel'??? Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen.....people have to live within their means and that, for most families, means maybe not the cheapest stuff but definately not the most expensive, after all we all have to budget from time to time....sad but true!!

Now if you want to be a vegetarian kudos to you, I would ask you this though.....you have dogs....do you feed them meat????? Food for thought????

I am a life long vegetarian, and have been vegan for around 8 years. And I can say that I do not feed my dog meat. Well i'll clarify that- I do not BUY him meat dog food. While I was working at a primate sanctuary in Fl we had bags of dog food donated from stores if the bag was damaged etc. He did eat that. Now I am no longer there, I will not support the industry by buying meat dog food. I buy vegetarain dog food, which he seems to enjoy just as much.

Now im sure someone will chip in with a 'but dog are carnivores' comment and my response to that is this. Firstly a domestic dog is not even a naturally evolved species, the species was created by human selective breeding methods over 10,000 years, so who is to say what is 'natural' to them. Secondly, meat dog food is full of horrible nasties (e.g. carcasses riddled with cancer and TB, peoples euthanised cats and dogs, restaurant waste grease, preservatives, all the 'bits' humans dont care to eat etc. etc.) - if you consider that wild canine species have not ever been found to have cancer, one can only question the material we humans feed our domestics. Thirdly, I do not feel it is appropriate for any human to decide that 'those' animals should die so the one I care for can live. Who are we to play 'god'?

Now if we are talking about wild animals- no I dont have an issue with them killing another animal for surival. THAT is nature. Heck if I lived as a Sioux Indian, say, or in remote Alaska where crops could not be grown- I would hunt to. That is survival. Humans are opportunistic omnivores, we can survive on meat OR plantation, but not without either! But in our society, we have no need for meat. In fact the meat we consume does our bodies more harm than good- just look at the statisitics. And the way it is consumed- unnatural breeds raised in artificial environments, slaughted by people we do not know, packaged in neat little boxes, and given a price- that is just not natural and the implications of it are sickening

Is the price the billions of animals murdered every year, our earth (which has unbelievable irreversible damage caused by the industies) and of course ourselves pay really worth it?

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Consider this: There would be 100's of millions of farm animals (a billion??) that would die horrible, long deaths by starvation if we all stopped eating meat.

[Jaylen Brit 1]

ok my 2 cents

Should we eat animals?

Yes - if you don't want to that's also cool. There are food choices, and both are valid.

Should we torture / keep animals in bad conditions until they are ready for us to kill and eat them?

No - its not necessary - and IMO is only done to save costs.

[Chuckles 0]

I say treat animals ethically (safe, no diesese, room to roam), then eat them. Not eating meat is a health choice, but if you make it to 'save' animals you are not thinking it all the way through.

(que lion king music) Its the circle of life !!

[danae 0]

Consider this: There would be 100's of millions of farm animals (a billion??) that would die horrible, long deaths by starvation if we all stopped eating meat.

Thisis simply not true. The animals are BRED to satisfy human demand. Often the females are artificially inseminated on 'rape racks'. Now of course its implausible that all human demand will stop at once (indeed it it likely it never will- we will destroy the planet we inhabit long before that), now if this DID happen yes there would be surplus animals (although doubtful they would 'starve' to death as there are plenty of people who would be commited to seeing they lead content lives util they died naturally. But if demand decreases slowly, so will supply. Hence less animals bred.

It is estimated that as a vegan one is decreasing demand by just under 2000 animals a year. So yes, as a meat eater this is the figure you are consuming.

[Sharon 1]

It is estimated that as a vegan one is decreasing demand by just under 2000 animals a year. So yes, as a meat eater this is the figure you are consuming.

WHAAAAT? Get real. TWO THOUSAND animals? LOL! How do you figure that?

What are they, parakeets?

Geeez....we get a side of beef a year here, that's for THREE of us and we even split it with another couple. That's a YEAR. ONE steer. Yes, we eat chicken as well and pork from time to time, but HELL! 2 thousand animals EACH a YEAR?

No way.

[gimygirl 0]

It is estimated that as a vegan one is decreasing demand by just under 2000 animals a year. So yes, as a meat eater this is the figure you are consuming.

WHAAAAT? Get real. TWO THOUSAND animals? LOL! How do you figure that?

What are they, parakeets?

Geeez....we get a side of beef a year here, that's for THREE of us and we even split it with another couple. That's a YEAR. ONE steer. Yes, we eat chicken as well and pork from time to time, but HELL! 2 thousand animals EACH a YEAR?

No way.

that's a HIGHLY exaggerated figure ... veggies save about 90-100 lives a year while vegans save around 250.

maybe 2,000 sounded better?? *shrugs*

[Sister Fracas 5]

It is estimated that as a vegan one is decreasing demand by just under 2000 animals a year. So yes, as a meat eater this is the figure you are consuming.

WHAAAAT? Get real. TWO THOUSAND animals? LOL! How do you figure that?

What are they, parakeets?

Geeez....we get a side of beef a year here, that's for THREE of us and we even split it with another couple. That's a YEAR. ONE steer. Yes, we eat chicken as well and pork from time to time, but HELL! 2 thousand animals EACH a YEAR?

No way.

that's a HIGHLY exaggerated figure ... veggies save about 90-100 lives a year while vegans save around 250.

maybe 2,000 sounded better?? *shrugs*

maybe it's all those fur coats we're buying?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It is estimated that as a vegan one is decreasing demand by just under 2000 animals a year. So yes, as a meat eater this is the figure you are consuming.

WHAAAAT? Get real. TWO THOUSAND animals? LOL! How do you figure that?

Maybe if one changed from a shrimp, frog leg and snail diet to purely vegetarian cusine, one could realistically save 2000 animals a year - 2000 shrimps, frogs and snails...