My thread wad deleted?

[Niels Bohr 72]

Hey,

I posted a link about wifi hacks. It disappeared. It's legal if you're hacking into your own network. And, there's no law the prohibits jumping onto an open wifi network.

What the hell.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Fascists.

[Niels Bohr 72]

There's no reason to delete it. It didn't do any harm.

[TayRivers 4]

There's no reason to delete it. It didn't do any harm.

And you think hacking into someone's wifi is an ok thing to do? So I take it if you leave your front door open you wont mind if I walk in and spend some time using your home for myself?

[almaty 19]

i am with yu brother c'master..it was educational

[IAMX 3,055]

I can see it from both sides. One it isn't advocating anything illegal.

At the same time, problem is, in the two scenarios proposed, one should either have their WEP/WPA, or there's no debate that it's as simple as 1, 2, 3, to log into an unsecured network without any authentication. I see it in the same light as possibly teaching someone how to uncap their router to bypass bandwidth filters. And sure it isn't inherently harmful information, but I'm sure if people got the information from here and used it, then there might be some liability for VJ forums.

Edited November 1, 2008 by SRVT

[Teacher Mark 53]

There's no reason to delete it. It didn't do any harm.

And you think hacking into someone's wifi is an ok thing to do? So I take it if you leave your front door open you wont mind if I walk in and spend some time using your home for myself?

The courts rules that it was essentially the same thing. I don't agree with them though.

[MrsCat 6]

Interesting . . . . .

So jumping onto a person's wireless isn't stealing.

I wonder if it would be stealing, if you took the internet cable from the same house, spliced it and connected your computer to it that way.

I suspect that the courts would find scenario #2 intrusive and that would be considered theft since there is a very physical and active component.

Which is strange because the effects of #1 and #2 are the same.

[mawilson 2,133]

And, there's no law the prohibits jumping onto an open wifi network.

That's not exactly true - it depends on where you live. There are laws in many states

that prohibit accessing a computer or network without authorization. It's definitely

against the law in Florida, Illinois, Washington and Michigan - there have been actual

arrests.

Check this web page for unauthorized access laws in various states.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Interesting . . . . .

So jumping onto a person's wireless isn't stealing.

I wonder if it would be stealing, if you took the internet cable from the same house, spliced it and connected your computer to it that way.

I suspect that the courts would find scenario #2 intrusive and that would be considered theft since there is a very physical and active component.

Which is strange because the effects of #1 and #2 are the same.

If you've been following up with DEFCON hacks, and wireless hacks...there's hardly any law governing the use of wireless networks. And, not only that, broadband service providers encourage the use of routers to allow multiple computers to hook up to an internet service.

It's not the same as stealing cable. And, most wireless network software will log on instantly onto a wireless network regardless if it's encrypted or not.

Edited November 1, 2008 by Niels Bohr

[Niels Bohr 72]

And, there's no law the prohibits jumping onto an open wifi network.

That's not exactly true - it depends on where you live. There are laws in many states

that prohibit accessing a computer or network without authorization. It's definitely

against the law in Florida, Illinois, Washington and Michigan - there have been actual

arrests.

Check this web page for unauthorized access laws in various states.

Those computer networks are from neigbhors that uses an encryption on their wireless. However, what about your own network. Hacking into your own network isn't considered stealing is it?

[mawilson 2,133]

And, there's no law the prohibits jumping onto an open wifi network.

That's not exactly true - it depends on where you live. There are laws in many states

that prohibit accessing a computer or network without authorization. It's definitely

against the law in Florida, Illinois, Washington and Michigan - there have been actual

arrests.

Check this web page for unauthorized access laws in various states.

Those computer networks are from neigbhors that uses an encryption on their wireless. However, what about your own network. Hacking into your own network isn't considered stealing is it?

Authorization and authentication are different things.

Accessing without authorization = you do not have the owner's permission to access

Authentication = the network is password-protected

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You got hacked. Get over it.

[KimandRuss 0]

The Computer Fraud and Abuse act can and has been applied in many circumstances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Piggybacking

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggybacking_(internet_access)

I removed the post.

'Piggybacking' is actually quite illegal in many places and there is legislation to make it illegal in many others. (See above links) Our laws have simply not caught up with technology.

It is, without a doubt, morally unethical to use another persons wi-fi without their permission. Some people still pay by the hour or bandwidth for their internet, some people have sensitive information on their network...you can cause a slow down for them and can infect their network with viruses and/or malware.

If you can't afford wi-fi then go sit at starbucks.

For anyone interested... If you have a wi-fi connection it's quite easy to secure your router/network with a password and/or set your SSID (network name) not to broadcast to prevent people from getting access to the internet off your connection as well as protecting any sensitive documents you may have stored on the computers in your home.

[Niels Bohr 72]

Very rare that you post. Geezes. I must be special. LOL. Nice see'in ya.