Postville, Iowa raid a disaster for community

[symbiosis 0]

Five months later, tensions are high. Crime is up. Businesses are hurting. The nation's kosher supply has taken a big hit because the plant is only functioning at partial capacity. The plant is owned by Abraham Aaron Rubashkin, a powerful member of the Hasidic Jewish community.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/postville.raid/index.html

[IAMX 3,055]

Rather than worry about some shitty town in Iowa, how about they come here to California and start doing some enforcement where the real immigrant issues are.

Edited October 17, 2008 by SRVT

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Rather than worry about some shitty town in Iowa, how about they come here to California and start doing some enforcement where the real immigrant issues are.

Probably because it would be much harder and cause more of an uproar than it does in Hicksville. ICE usually goes after the easy fish. There's too many in CA.

[peejay 327]

Five months later, tensions are high. Crime is up. Businesses are hurting. The nation's kosher supply has taken a big hit because the plant is only functioning at partial capacity. The plant is owned by Abraham Aaron Rubashkin, a powerful member of the Hasidic Jewish community.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/postville.raid/index.html

So I can assume you believe illegal workers should be allowed to use fraudulent documents and identity theft to obtain illegal work and that crooked employers should be able to hire them because such workers are cheap and can't complain much about working conditions due to the glaring fact that they are illegally working while being illegally present in the USA.

On what basis do you assume this position?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

I think there should be more repercussions for employers who are knowingly hiring workers that are illegal. There should be a mandatory check of SS# to make sure names matched and there should be a quick simple way to do this. No matter anyway, the next President will give all illegals amnesty anyway.

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I think there should be more repercussions for employers who are knowingly hiring workers that are illegal. There should be a mandatory check of SS# to make sure names matched and there should be a quick simple way to do this. No matter anyway, the next President will give all illegals amnesty anyway.

This sounds like the logical thing to do.

[pedroh 21]

Five months later, tensions are high. Crime is up. Businesses are hurting. The nation's kosher supply has taken a big hit because the plant is only functioning at partial capacity. The plant is owned by Abraham Aaron Rubashkin, a powerful member of the Hasidic Jewish community.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/postville.raid/index.html

So I can assume you believe illegal workers should be allowed to use fraudulent documents and identity theft to obtain illegal work and that crooked employers should be able to hire them because such workers are cheap and can't complain much about working conditions due to the glaring fact that they are illegally working while being illegally present in the USA.

On what basis do you assume this position?

well in theory now that illegals are not there Americans should take those jobs the illegals were stealing..but the plant is at half capacity.. mhhh maybe there was something wrong with the theoretical scenario to begin with

[peejay 327]

I think there should be more repercussions for employers who are knowingly hiring workers that are illegal. There should be a mandatory check of SS# to make sure names matched and there should be a quick simple way to do this. No matter anyway, the next President will give all illegals amnesty anyway.

There is. It's called E-Verify. It works so well that the US Chamber of Commerce, LaRaza, MALDEF, ACLU, SPLC, liberal Dims, etc. have repeatedly attempted to kill it or keep it "voluntary" only. I wonder why?

[HAL 9000 96]

I think there should be more repercussions for employers who are knowingly hiring workers that are illegal. There should be a mandatory check of SS# to make sure names matched and there should be a quick simple way to do this. No matter anyway, the next President will give all illegals amnesty anyway.

There is. It's called E-Verify. It works so well that the US Chamber of Commerce, LaRaza, MALDEF, ACLU, SPLC, liberal Dims, etc. have repeatedly attempted to kill it or keep it "voluntary" only. I wonder why?

Because they all want to annoy you so that your blood pressure elevates.

[peejay 327]

Five months later, tensions are high. Crime is up. Businesses are hurting. The nation's kosher supply has taken a big hit because the plant is only functioning at partial capacity. The plant is owned by Abraham Aaron Rubashkin, a powerful member of the Hasidic Jewish community.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/postville.raid/index.html

So I can assume you believe illegal workers should be allowed to use fraudulent documents and identity theft to obtain illegal work and that crooked employers should be able to hire them because such workers are cheap and can't complain much about working conditions due to the glaring fact that they are illegally working while being illegally present in the USA.

On what basis do you assume this position?

well in theory now that illegals are not there Americans should take those jobs the illegals were stealing..but the plant is at half capacity.. mhhh maybe there was something wrong with the theoretical scenario to begin with

Yes...it's called a living wage. Everywhere illegals go...the wages fall.

My real life scenario...when the employer gets tired of running his plant at 1/2 capacity he might have to offer employees more than 1/2 wages.

Comprende?

[HAL 9000 96]

Five months later, tensions are high. Crime is up. Businesses are hurting. The nation's kosher supply has taken a big hit because the plant is only functioning at partial capacity. The plant is owned by Abraham Aaron Rubashkin, a powerful member of the Hasidic Jewish community.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/postville.raid/index.html

So I can assume you believe illegal workers should be allowed to use fraudulent documents and identity theft to obtain illegal work and that crooked employers should be able to hire them because such workers are cheap and can't complain much about working conditions due to the glaring fact that they are illegally working while being illegally present in the USA.

On what basis do you assume this position?

well in theory now that illegals are not there Americans should take those jobs the illegals were stealing..but the plant is at half capacity.. mhhh maybe there was something wrong with the theoretical scenario to begin with

Yes...it's called a living wage. Everywhere illegals go...the wages fall.

My real life scenario...when the employer gets tired of running his plant at 1/2 capacity he might have to offer employees more than 1/2 wages.

Comprende?

Believe it or not, peejay has a point. Perhaps not the attitude he has against mexicans that don't 'copmprende' but upholding ethical business standards and the law needs to be in place and if not, enforced.

[IAMX 3,055]

Five months later, tensions are high. Crime is up. Businesses are hurting. The nation's kosher supply has taken a big hit because the plant is only functioning at partial capacity. The plant is owned by Abraham Aaron Rubashkin, a powerful member of the Hasidic Jewish community.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/postville.raid/index.html

So I can assume you believe illegal workers should be allowed to use fraudulent documents and identity theft to obtain illegal work and that crooked employers should be able to hire them because such workers are cheap and can't complain much about working conditions due to the glaring fact that they are illegally working while being illegally present in the USA.

On what basis do you assume this position?

well in theory now that illegals are not there Americans should take those jobs the illegals were stealing..but the plant is at half capacity.. mhhh maybe there was something wrong with the theoretical scenario to begin with

Yes...it's called a living wage. Everywhere illegals go...the wages fall.

My real life scenario...when the employer gets tired of running his plant at 1/2 capacity he might have to offer employees more than 1/2 wages.

Comprende?

The living wage falling has not much to do with illegals. It has to do with cutting out of middle class jobs and taking them overseas, while creating retail jobs to take their place. If the illegals were making wages fall, you might want to ask Norcal how illegals are making over $100,000/year driving garbage trucks around.

[pedroh 21]

so what are they supposed to pay for a worker in a food processing plant? 15 dollars an hour?? Illegals working in plants get paid the same as everyone else, they don't get paid less.. it's true.. those plants are unfair, not only with illegals, but everybody.. so are you gonna change the whole industry that has been running like that for decades (not just illegals, but the bad way employees are treated)?

I'm not promoting the establishment, but illegals really have little to do with shitty wages and bad treatment, if they can't do it with them, they'll find others who will..

Edited October 17, 2008 by pedroh

[HAL 9000 96]

Five months later, tensions are high. Crime is up. Businesses are hurting. The nation's kosher supply has taken a big hit because the plant is only functioning at partial capacity. The plant is owned by Abraham Aaron Rubashkin, a powerful member of the Hasidic Jewish community.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/postville.raid/index.html

So I can assume you believe illegal workers should be allowed to use fraudulent documents and identity theft to obtain illegal work and that crooked employers should be able to hire them because such workers are cheap and can't complain much about working conditions due to the glaring fact that they are illegally working while being illegally present in the USA.

On what basis do you assume this position?

well in theory now that illegals are not there Americans should take those jobs the illegals were stealing..but the plant is at half capacity.. mhhh maybe there was something wrong with the theoretical scenario to begin with

Yes...it's called a living wage. Everywhere illegals go...the wages fall.

My real life scenario...when the employer gets tired of running his plant at 1/2 capacity he might have to offer employees more than 1/2 wages.

Comprende?

The living wage falling has not much to do with illegals. It has to do with cutting out of middle class jobs and taking them overseas, while creating retail jobs to take their place. If the illegals were making wages fall, you might want to ask Norcal how illegals are making over $100,000/year driving garbage trucks around.

You also have a point there.

And I 'comprende' eso también.

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If anyone is really interested in an insider's look at what went down, this is good:

http://www.monthlyreview.org/mrzine/camayd...ixas120708.html