Palin couldn't name a single SCOTUS decision besides Roe v Wade

[Amby 490]

I shave my legs so does that mean I can't be a feminist?

[Peikko 1,575]

Oh boy I missed part of that quote and a doozy at that. Ms Palin has no interest in health care that is affordable for everyone. What a crock of #### that is.

[metta 0]

I shave my legs so does that mean I can't be a feminist?

Oh, in that case you can be any one of these, third wave feminist or post-modern feminist or plain fem-nazi ala Limbaugh...

[alienlovechild 75]

it is importnat..

Article 1.

All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.

Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4.

No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5.

No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.

All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.

Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.

Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.

(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.

(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.

(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14.

(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.

(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15.

(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16.

(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.

(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.

(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17.

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.

(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18.

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.

Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21.

(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.

(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.

(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22.

Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23.

(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.

(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.

(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.

(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24.

Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25.

(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26.

(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.

(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.

(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.

(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.

(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.

Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29.

(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.

(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.

(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30.

Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Really "importnat". Notice how many posters were fired up by your post?

I hope you were being sarcastic.

[Peikko 1,575]

Ah, so you register importance by how many people respond to something that is posted/said? You are one wacky customer, a bit like Ms Palin

[alienlovechild 75]

Ah, so you register importance by how many people respond to something that is posted/said? You are one wacky customer, a bit like Ms Palin

That's one way to measure the impact of a post or you can be the 23rd person to say "I'm Spartacus" and think it means something original.

[Peikko 1,575]

What it tells you is what people find interesting, not whether it's important. Often times the two are inversely related, which is why the media spends so much time on lame stories about Paris Hilton and the like.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

1.Her strong suit is that of a reformer and a maverick.

One who when she sees that things don't look right , has taken on the powers that be and quite successfully.

2. She has the bona fides to appeal to the other half of America, the conservatives...

3. She is non-traditional feminist who has proven that she can do it all...

She is/does?

That might be the image you are taking away from this, but it isn't what's been put on public display over the last couple of weeks. Not forgetting of course that Palin's interview appearances have been strictly controlled and limited by the campaign - and if the CBS interview is any indication - this is likely the reason why.

Better hope she comes across a bit better in the VP debate than she did in those interviews. If she doesn't....

Obama is lightweight, but at least his pick of Biden was sound. There were better choices McCain could have made, but rather than stick to his principles he allowed himself to be persuaded to pick Palin and pander to the Evangelicals.

Agreed, politically he is a lightweight, but intellectuallly, definitely not and it is quite clear that he does have a handle on most, if not all, of the political issues that are facing the US today, whether or not one agrees with every aspect of his position regarding their solutions. When he speaks he doesn't sound like an idiot - Palin does. His ideas are not all wonderful, and I don't think he's the best person in the entire US to do the job, but he is definitely not near the bottom of the list - Ms Palin is.

It's all very well for a party to appeal to their grassroots, but to actually pick someone for VP who can't construct proper sentences when attempting to answer pretty simple questions about policy really is simply mind boggling. As for being a 'non-traditional' feminist, come again? She's not a feminist, full stop. She may be a working mom and all power to her for that, and her other accomplishments, but they simply do not qualify her for the VP position and quite honestly, I am surprised at how doggedly you defend her weaknesses, but it is certainly your privelage to do so.

Not forgetting of course that we've already had someone intellectually unqualified for the Presidency occupying the Oval Office for the last 8 years, I hardly think we need another such person waiting in the wings. As they say - stupid is as stupid does.

As to Palin's feminism - She worked her way up through the ranks in an arena dominated by men - kudos to her. But as with GWB, this may well be a case of ambition outstripping ability.

Again - I can't understand how anyone can defend that interview performance. Already there are howl's about "Catie Couric" and "CBS" liberal bias and "gotcha journalism", but these weren't really trick questions that she was asked. When Palin says "the country is waiting to see what John McCain will do, they're not waiting to see what Barack Obama will do" and you ask "why do you say that?" its not an unreasonable question. I mean... what's the alternative - to let politicians get away with spewing stale party political talking points and never address any substance?

Let me be the Devil's Advocate and say this. Palin did not get to be Governor of Alaska for nothing. She rose from PTA member to mayor to commissioner to governor without being privileged by family background, wealth or membership in a political machine or anything. She did it my the dint of her own hard work, passion and beliefs. So, I would not underestimate her .

As for the interview, this is her first bout with hostile media. I can imagine the pressure she is under in addition to being such a newbie to this environment.

Mind you, even professional electioneers make doozie utterances like this one...

Of course she didn't. But in the context of the last 8 years it doesn't mean much. Bush didn't exactly raise the bar... And we've gone from a President who left the country in credit (albeit in the shadow of a sordid sex scandal), to one who invaded a foreign country for dubious reasons (ignoring the concerns of his advisors) and is leaving office with the country in a horrific economic situation.

If Palin's performance in that interview, in regard to what were not exactly difficult questions (certainly not questions that a career politician should fumble over) is typical of her level of discourse, I rather suspect a lot of people may have overestimated her. I have noticed a general tendency in these threads for people to project onto their preferred candidate the qualities that they want them to represent, and not necessarily what they actually do. This holds true for Obama too - but as Cleo mentioned he doesn't come across as intellectually sub-par in the substance of what he says.

Edited September 30, 2008 by Paul Daniels

[Johnnie J 0]

Palin SUCKS big time.....she's been given a script to read and she wants to call herself future VP. She's joke of a Politician. Palin should just leave the public arena and seclude herself in her Alaskan house.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

As for the interview, this is her first bout with hostile media.

What hostile media? Katie Couric was anyhting but hostile when she interviewed Ms. Palin. It's not like she pulled an O'Reilley on her or somesuch. Not even close. She asked a few rather simple questions and seemed quite baffled when she got this incoherent blabber in response.

Let's not forget that Ms. Palin was elected governor with just a bit over 100,000 votes. Total, that is. And based on what I've seen and heard from her thus far, I'm under the impression that folks in Alaska are easy to impress...

[mawilson 2,133]

As for the interview, this is her first bout with hostile media.

What hostile media? Katie Couric was anyhting but hostile when she interviewed Ms. Palin. It's not like she pulled an O'Reilley on her or somesuch. Not even close. She asked a few rather simple questions and seemed quite baffled when she got this incoherent blabber in response.

Well... Sean Hannity interviewed her for a whole hour and somehow managed not to ask her

any tough questions. It was the most boring-asss interview I've ever seen on Fox News.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

As for the interview, this is her first bout with hostile media.

What hostile media? Katie Couric was anyhting but hostile when she interviewed Ms. Palin. It's not like she pulled an O'Reilley on her or somesuch. Not even close. She asked a few rather simple questions and seemed quite baffled when she got this incoherent blabber in response.

Well... Sean Hannity interviewed her for a whole hour and somehow managed not to ask her

any tough questions. It was the most boring-asss interview I've ever seen on Fox News.

But those weren't even tough questions. I mean, this exchange...

COURIC: Why isn’t it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries? … Instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: Ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy– Oh, it’s got to be about job creation too. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions.

...just blows the mind.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

As for the interview, this is her first bout with hostile media.

What hostile media? Katie Couric was anyhting but hostile when she interviewed Ms. Palin. It's not like she pulled an O'Reilley on her or somesuch. Not even close. She asked a few rather simple questions and seemed quite baffled when she got this incoherent blabber in response.

Well... Sean Hannity interviewed her for a whole hour and somehow managed not to ask her

any tough questions. It was the most boring-asss interview I've ever seen on Fox News.

But those weren't even tough questions. I mean, this exchange...

COURIC: Why isn’t it better, Governor Palin, to spend $700 billion helping middle-class families struggling with health care, housing, gas and groceries? … Instead of helping these big financial institutions that played a role in creating this mess?

PALIN: Ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy– Oh, it’s got to be about job creation too. So health care reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions.

...just blows the mind.

And makes Baby Jesus cry....

[kaydee457 13]

As for the interview, this is her first bout with hostile media.

What hostile media? Katie Couric was anyhting but hostile when she interviewed Ms. Palin. It's not like she pulled an O'Reilley on her or somesuch. Not even close. She asked a few rather simple questions and seemed quite baffled when she got this incoherent blabber in response.

Let's not forget that Ms. Palin was elected governor with just a bit over 100,000 votes. Total, that is. And based on what I've seen and heard from her thus far, I'm under the impression that folks in Alaska are easy to impress...

And now enjoys a 80% approval rating.....

Obama was another neophyte that knew little or nothing about foreign policy, or in general nothing much else. He's had 18+ months to be tutored in the fine nuances of both subjects; given the same time period Sarah would also be on top of all these issues.....AND SHE's THE VEEP CANDIDATE, not the Pres candidate.....

She’s going to hit a home run on Thursday and I’m sure that the Obama camp’s worried about keeping the gaffe machine in check…….

[Ban Hammer 14,586]

This from the person who in 20 years (or whatever) of following foreign politics has never heard the Declaration of Human Rights cited for any reason whatsoever. I guess it's not so surprising then that he considers Ms Palin a smart cookie.

maybe it's not as important as you think it is.

Bush might have pushed the UN to the limits of what it's prepared to accept from a participatory nation, but he's not such a darned old fool that he has attempted to pull out and/or disband it - why do you suppose that is?

who cares, i'm just at you working a un declaration into a scotus discussion.