Illegal Alien's hanging in jail fuels many questions

[peejay 327]

That's best of your best posts so far. I'm guessing this will be a FOX reality special, so it should be "Fair and Balanced", like all the other programs. Just a couple questions:

Cameras follow illegal aliens as they leave their shacks in Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. They visit drug cartels along the way and get loaded-up with narcotics to smuggle into the U.S. (as their fee to pay the coyotes to sneak them across the border).

After illegals smuggle the drugs, will you show the "legals" that then take the drugs the rest of the way? How about the legals that then buy the drugs and take them? I'm just thinking somebody is taking these drugs the rest of the way, somebody is buying them and certainly somebody is using them.

Mexican government officials meet with the illegals beforehand and hand out instructions on how best to invade the USA. Included are ways how to loot the US treasury and how to wire the remittances back home.

Old and busted, O'reilly and Dobbs already got the scoop on that one.

Emmy Award winning scene: Bush meets the illegals in the Whitehouse and thanks them for bringing their unique culture and habits to the USA.

I didn't vote for him the first time, and sure as heck didn't vote for him the second time.

So your take on the situation is that Mexico is the narco-state it is because the USA is to blame. That's somewhat legit. I'll buy that to a certain extent. However, if Mexico wasn't such a basket case this kind of stuff wouldn't flourish as it does there. The corrupt Mexican government should take a big share of the blame too. I don't do dope, but there are lots of fools in the USA that do. I know that. Usually they are the same trendy liberal jerk-offs that b*tch about the war, Global Warming, etc., but won't fess up that their self indulgent little recreational dope habit fuels the murder and mayhem in places like Mexico and Colombia. Heaven forbid if that bit reality ever dawns on them. These nits just think they are being hip and trendy. Rebels without a clue.

I would also venture to say that the dope and illegal alien smuggling trade goes hand in hand. The same crooks are involved in both. The same type of Americans with loose morals hire illegal aliens and do dope because they think they are above the law. Burn them all.

But let's get real here too. There are plenty of Mexicans that do dope in Mexico and here in the USA too. Gang bangers, MS-13, illegal aliens, etc.

There is more than enough blame to go around.

Why is it that you allow these petty prejudices to contaminate your arguments? What planet are you on if you believe that the drugs trade is dependant on the proceeds of 'hippy liberal dope smokers'? That in no way absolves anyone from their share of responsiblity as regards fuelling the trade you understand, just even if such a group existed, they aren't the mainstay of drug dealers, the addicts are, the addicts of crack cocaine and whatever opiate drugs are going around these days - that and the ecstacy type drugs.

As for grading Americans into 'types', I am sure you understand how insane that is. All kinds of people hire illegal aliens, for all kinds of self justified reasons. They are not all 'hippy dope smokers' though and they don't all belong to the same socio-economic background. But, you know that.

Yeah, I've run across both types of dopeheads. The addicts and the hipsters. The addicts are a pretty pathetic lot. The hipsters are just irritating.

I'll take your word for it that the addicts far outnumber the hipsters.

[peejay 327]

Usually they are the same trendy liberal jerk-offs that b*tch about the war, Global Warming, etc., but won't fess up that their self indulgent little recreational dope habit fuels the murder and mayhem in places like Mexico and Colombia. Heaven forbid if that bit reality ever dawns on them. These nits just think they are being hip and trendy. Rebels without a clue.

Everybody knows only liberals do drugs. Rush Limbaugh would agree, because a conservative would never be a hypocrite.

My point was exactly that. We as Americans, as consumers, share as much blame on both illegal immigration and the current drug situation.

Limbaugh never was a big favorite of mine. I prefer Pat Buchanan to Limbaugh by leaps and bounds. However, Limbaugh was addicted to prescription drugs, not smuggled narcotics. Not that this technicality absolves him from being a junkie, but his addiction never fueled the murder and mayhem in Mexico or any other narco-state.

I blame the idiots running the US government for the 12 - 20 million illegal aliens that have been allowed to invade the USA. From the 1st illegal alien amnesty in 1986, the 6 subsequent illegal alien amnesties since then, and the latest amnesty attempt by Juan McAmnesty and his idiot sidekick Teddy Boy Kennedy. That stupidness set the tone and put out the green light. The sell out traitors in government that have allowed corporate America to hire illegal aliens with impunity are the most to blame. The corporations come next. They will do what they can get away with. The illegal aliens are not blameless either. They know from the get go that what they are doing isn't legit.

Crack down hard on the sleazy businesses and quit catering to the illegal aliens. You don't eliminate or even slow down a situation that is tolerated or even encouraged. Amnesties encourage even more illegal immigration. End of story. The proof is the 12-20 million illegal aliens we now have after 7 amnesties.

[Peikko 1,575]

That's best of your best posts so far. I'm guessing this will be a FOX reality special, so it should be "Fair and Balanced", like all the other programs. Just a couple questions:

Cameras follow illegal aliens as they leave their shacks in Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. They visit drug cartels along the way and get loaded-up with narcotics to smuggle into the U.S. (as their fee to pay the coyotes to sneak them across the border).

After illegals smuggle the drugs, will you show the "legals" that then take the drugs the rest of the way? How about the legals that then buy the drugs and take them? I'm just thinking somebody is taking these drugs the rest of the way, somebody is buying them and certainly somebody is using them.

Mexican government officials meet with the illegals beforehand and hand out instructions on how best to invade the USA. Included are ways how to loot the US treasury and how to wire the remittances back home.

Old and busted, O'reilly and Dobbs already got the scoop on that one.

Emmy Award winning scene: Bush meets the illegals in the Whitehouse and thanks them for bringing their unique culture and habits to the USA.

I didn't vote for him the first time, and sure as heck didn't vote for him the second time.

So your take on the situation is that Mexico is the narco-state it is because the USA is to blame. That's somewhat legit. I'll buy that to a certain extent. However, if Mexico wasn't such a basket case this kind of stuff wouldn't flourish as it does there. The corrupt Mexican government should take a big share of the blame too. I don't do dope, but there are lots of fools in the USA that do. I know that. Usually they are the same trendy liberal jerk-offs that b*tch about the war, Global Warming, etc., but won't fess up that their self indulgent little recreational dope habit fuels the murder and mayhem in places like Mexico and Colombia. Heaven forbid if that bit reality ever dawns on them. These nits just think they are being hip and trendy. Rebels without a clue.

I would also venture to say that the dope and illegal alien smuggling trade goes hand in hand. The same crooks are involved in both. The same type of Americans with loose morals hire illegal aliens and do dope because they think they are above the law. Burn them all.

But let's get real here too. There are plenty of Mexicans that do dope in Mexico and here in the USA too. Gang bangers, MS-13, illegal aliens, etc.

There is more than enough blame to go around.

Why is it that you allow these petty prejudices to contaminate your arguments? What planet are you on if you believe that the drugs trade is dependant on the proceeds of 'hippy liberal dope smokers'? That in no way absolves anyone from their share of responsiblity as regards fuelling the trade you understand, just even if such a group existed, they aren't the mainstay of drug dealers, the addicts are, the addicts of crack cocaine and whatever opiate drugs are going around these days - that and the ecstacy type drugs.

As for grading Americans into 'types', I am sure you understand how insane that is. All kinds of people hire illegal aliens, for all kinds of self justified reasons. They are not all 'hippy dope smokers' though and they don't all belong to the same socio-economic background. But, you know that.

Yeah, I've run across both types of dopeheads. The addicts and the hipsters. The addicts are a pretty pathetic lot. The hipsters are just irritating.

I'll take your word for it that the addicts far outnumber the hipsters.

Take my word for it? Is that Peejay speak for 'as you are one of the number you obviously know'?

Seriously, how many people fit into this 'trendy, liberal jerk-off, Global Warming bitching dope smokers' cohort that you have identified? I can't think how this could add up to a significant market. Off hand, I don't know anyone that does fit the description, and you'd have thought, you know what with me being some poodle ** loving liberal, I'd know more than you.

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Seriously, how many people fit into this 'trendy, liberal jerk-off, Global Warming bitching dope smokers' cohort that you have identified?

peejay is still fighting the culture wars of the 60s.

He doesn't realize that the guy he's fighting, who used to look like this:

Now - looks like this:

The world has moved on, but our friend has not.

[Ban Hammer 14,286]

Seriously, how many people fit into this 'trendy, liberal jerk-off, Global Warming bitching dope smokers' cohort that you have identified?

peejay is still fighting the culture wars of the 60s.

He doesn't realize that the guy he's fighting, who used to look like this:

Now - looks like this:

The world has moved on, but our friend has not.

you can do better than that.

[Peikko 1,575]

Yes, but does he realise how insane it makes him look when he goes off on one of his diatribes?

[IAMX 3,055]

In all honesty I don't see much (actually, any at ALL) in the news locally (in California no-less) about illegal immigrants from Europe or Asia. The immigrant problem in law, politics, and economics have focused 99% on Mexico. If there's immigration news, especially from shitty news outlets, it will likely be focusing on Mexico.

Ask and you shall receive: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26406235/

Illegal immigrants from Africa trying to enter Spain. The US is NOT the only country with illegal alien problems.

Why would I care about Spain's problems with immigration? This is about people immigrating to the U.S.

[HAL 9000 96]

That's best of your best posts so far. I'm guessing this will be a FOX reality special, so it should be "Fair and Balanced", like all the other programs. Just a couple questions:

Cameras follow illegal aliens as they leave their shacks in Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador. They visit drug cartels along the way and get loaded-up with narcotics to smuggle into the U.S. (as their fee to pay the coyotes to sneak them across the border).

After illegals smuggle the drugs, will you show the "legals" that then take the drugs the rest of the way? How about the legals that then buy the drugs and take them? I'm just thinking somebody is taking these drugs the rest of the way, somebody is buying them and certainly somebody is using them.

Mexican government officials meet with the illegals beforehand and hand out instructions on how best to invade the USA. Included are ways how to loot the US treasury and how to wire the remittances back home.

Old and busted, O'reilly and Dobbs already got the scoop on that one.

Emmy Award winning scene: Bush meets the illegals in the Whitehouse and thanks them for bringing their unique culture and habits to the USA.

I didn't vote for him the first time, and sure as heck didn't vote for him the second time.

So your take on the situation is that Mexico is the narco-state it is because the USA is to blame. That's somewhat legit. I'll buy that to a certain extent. However, if Mexico wasn't such a basket case this kind of stuff wouldn't flourish as it does there. The corrupt Mexican government should take a big share of the blame too. I don't do dope, but there are lots of fools in the USA that do. I know that. Usually they are the same trendy liberal jerk-offs that b*tch about the war, Global Warming, etc., but won't fess up that their self indulgent little recreational dope habit fuels the murder and mayhem in places like Mexico and Colombia. Heaven forbid if that bit reality ever dawns on them. These nits just think they are being hip and trendy. Rebels without a clue.

I would also venture to say that the dope and illegal alien smuggling trade goes hand in hand. The same crooks are involved in both. The same type of Americans with loose morals hire illegal aliens and do dope because they think they are above the law. Burn them all.

But let's get real here too. There are plenty of Mexicans that do dope in Mexico and here in the USA too. Gang bangers, MS-13, illegal aliens, etc.

There is more than enough blame to go around.

You need to substantiate your claim of knowledge there buddy. "Usually" implies the drug problem is fed by demand, and you should probably consider that the bulk of the money and consumption is in suburban middle class America, independent of political idiocy. Perhaps you should look into the political tendencies of the predominant consumer group of the drugs that are trafficked through Mexico to supply the demand.

I'll hand it to you- coyotes are a sickening breed of animals that need to be put 6-8 feet underground, and their complete disregard for human life on top of many of their drug running hobbies are more than enough to place them there. Yet as long as there is a market (aka 'demand') for both Cheap Labor and drug product, then you're screwed.

Perhaps instead of trying to band-aid the problem we'd get somewhere.

[HAL 9000 96]

Usually they are the same trendy liberal jerk-offs that b*tch about the war, Global Warming, etc., but won't fess up that their self indulgent little recreational dope habit fuels the murder and mayhem in places like Mexico and Colombia. Heaven forbid if that bit reality ever dawns on them. These nits just think they are being hip and trendy. Rebels without a clue.

Everybody knows only liberals do drugs. Rush Limbaugh would agree, because a conservative would never be a hypocrite.

My point was exactly that. We as Americans, as consumers, share as much blame on both illegal immigration and the current drug situation.

Limbaugh never was a big favorite of mine. I prefer Pat Buchanan to Limbaugh by leaps and bounds. However, Limbaugh was addicted to prescription drugs, not smuggled narcotics. Not that this technicality absolves him from being a junkie, but his addiction never fueled the murder and mayhem in Mexico or any other narco-state.

I blame the idiots running the US government for the 12 - 20 million illegal aliens that have been allowed to invade the USA. From the 1st illegal alien amnesty in 1986, the 6 subsequent illegal alien amnesties since then, and the latest amnesty attempt by Juan McAmnesty and his idiot sidekick Teddy Boy Kennedy. That stupidness set the tone and put out the green light. The sell out traitors in government that have allowed corporate America to hire illegal aliens with impunity are the most to blame. The corporations come next. They will do what they can get away with. The illegal aliens are not blameless either. They know from the get go that what they are doing isn't legit.

Crack down hard on the sleazy businesses and quit catering to the illegal aliens. You don't eliminate or even slow down a situation that is tolerated or even encouraged. Amnesties encourage even more illegal immigration. End of story. The proof is the 12-20 million illegal aliens we now have after 7 amnesties.

Seems like you got a plan there. I didn't know these illegals were getting catered to... they must be all taking part in some secret wage-amplifying program run by those traitors (serious claim there again... what are you going to do to substantiate that ludicrous claim?) in our government.

Seriously, how many people fit into this 'trendy, liberal jerk-off, Global Warming bitching dope smokers' cohort that you have identified?

peejay is still fighting the culture wars of the 60s.

He doesn't realize that the guy he's fighting, who used to look like this:

Now - looks like this:

The world has moved on, but our friend has not.

True brother... but...

Why do you hate American?

Yes, but does he realise how insane it makes him look when he goes off on one of his diatribes?

That must have been a rhetorical question.

[peejay 327]

Seriously, how many people fit into this 'trendy, liberal jerk-off, Global Warming bitching dope smokers' cohort that you have identified?

peejay is still fighting the culture wars of the 60s.

He doesn't realize that the guy he's fighting, who used to look like this:

Now - looks like this:

The world has moved on, but our friend has not.

you can do better than that.

No sh*t!

If that clown is from the 60's he must have shucked out some serious $$$ on plastic surgeons and cosmetics that would put that freak Michael Jackson to shame.

That pretty much sums it up. These people never have grown up. That is why they are still liberal jerk offs.

Just pan the crowds at Obumble rallies.

Edited August 27, 2008 by peejay

[EstebanTrabajos 7]

Seriously,

What is that story behind this hatred??

Gardener charged you more than you expected? The construction guys didn't install the brand of toilet you wanted? The taco you bought a year ago gave you the runnies? And you are pissed because it messed up your favorite pair of pants??

Talking about being pragmatic....

Edited August 27, 2008 by GueraYTavo

[peejay 327]

Seriously,

What is that story behind this hatred??

Gardener charged you more than you expected? The construction guys didn't install the brand of toilet you wanted? The taco you bought a year ago gave you the runnies? And you are pissed because it messed up your favorite pair of pants??

Talking about being pragmatic....

The question should really be....why do you love illegal aliens so much? Is it because...they are mostly from Mexico and....(*you fill in the blank*).

[Peikko 1,575]

No, the question shouldn't be that because that is not what anyone has said or implied re illegals. No one 'loves' illegals, but you don't want to hear that because that somewhat puts the lie to a lot of your posts.

[DeadPoolX 9]

What I often find interesting (and there are no statistics or charts to back this up, just my own experience) is that so many Hispanic Americans jump to defend illegal Hispanics crossing the border. I realize there's some feeling of cultural brotherhood or whatnot, but there's something even bigger going on here and I don't mean the argument over "what should be done about illegals entering the United States."

The majority of illegal Hispanics (over 80%) are from either Mexico or somewhere in Central America. At some point in time, the non-Hispanic American will confuse those Hispanics who're legal and those who're illegal with each other and eventually assume, due to whatever media reports he or she has seen, heard or read, that all Hispanics are, in fact, of the illegal variety. This negative outlook on legal Hispanic Americans will hurt them, all due to individuals who felt it was "their right" to circumvent the immigration protocols the United States has in place and "jump the border." Knowing this, why should anyone -- especially those who have the most to lose -- assist these illegals?

I know what you're saying. That doesn't make sense! That's illogical! So's having more children than you can afford or eating every day at McDonald's. Obviously somebody had to have operated a hairdryer while asleep in the bathtub or companies like ConAir wouldn't have made a warning label specifically for that issue! People do stupid and illogical things. It's a not a long shot to imagine this happening.

[Peikko 1,575]

I would imagine that most of the time people are helping out members of their own family. There are an awful lot of families with ties to both sides. Imagine that?