Poll: Working-class divided on impact of illegal immigration

[peejay 327]

Poll: Working-class divided on impact of illegal immigration

A new poll shows that working-class Americans are divided right down the middle about the impact of illegal immigrants on their job prospects.

The poll, conducted for the Washington Post, the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University, found that 49 percent of Americans earning $27,000 a year and less say that illegal immigrants "generally take jobs away from legal residents."

Americans were divided along racial lines. Working-class blacks and whites were more than twice as likely as working-class Hispanics to feel that illegal workers were a threat to their livelihoods.

According to the poll, 57 percent of African Americans and Caucasians said that illegal immigrants take jobs from legal residents, while just 26 percent of Latinos held that view.

The poll surveyed 1,350 workers earning $27,000 per year and less because they represent about 40 percent of the workforce and are seen as most vulnerable to low-wage competition.

To reach the maximum number of workers, interviews were conducted in English and Spanish both on land lines and mobile phones.

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/08/p...vided_on_i.html

[pedroh 21]

i think 'take' doesn't mean the same as 'illegals take the beating of the employers that hire them and unfortunately, the government doesnt do, or doesn't want to see the horrible conditions they live in, but since they got nowhere else to work, they have to suck it up'....

i think this is one of the instances where the employers are more to blame than the people who take the work.. if illegals are willing to bust their arses for 8 dollars an hour cutting pork 50 hours a week with no overtime paid... and americans think it's unfair, why is it the illegals fault? for accepting the working conditions of basically the only work they can get at first? are all those 27k workers honest and hard working? usually that group is also full of foodstamp mamas, crackhead daddies that send their kids to school so they can get a paycheck, and other unfortunate situations.. so, why is it the illegals fault? just being here? and using the only opportunity they have?

[HAL 9000 96]

i think 'take' doesn't mean the same as 'illegals take the beating of the employers that hire them and unfortunately, the government doesnt do, or doesn't want to see the horrible conditions they live in, but since they got nowhere else to work, they have to suck it up'....

i think this is one of the instances where the employers are more to blame than the people who take the work.. if illegals are willing to bust their arses for 8 dollars an hour cutting pork 50 hours a week with no overtime paid... and americans think it's unfair, why is it the illegals fault? for accepting the working conditions of basically the only work they can get at first? are all those 27k workers honest and hard working? usually that group is also full of foodstamp mamas, crackhead daddies that send their kids to school so they can get a paycheck, and other unfortunate situations.. so, why is it the illegals fault? just being here? and using the only opportunity they have?

STFU you communist liberal you!

Its 11 or 20 billion jobs those dayum illegals are stealing from us! Grrrrrr!!!

[peejay 327]

i think 'take' doesn't mean the same as 'illegals take the beating of the employers that hire them and unfortunately, the government doesnt do, or doesn't want to see the horrible conditions they live in, but since they got nowhere else to work, they have to suck it up'....

i think this is one of the instances where the employers are more to blame than the people who take the work.. if illegals are willing to bust their arses for 8 dollars an hour cutting pork 50 hours a week with no overtime paid... and americans think it's unfair, why is it the illegals fault? for accepting the working conditions of basically the only work they can get at first? are all those 27k workers honest and hard working? usually that group is also full of foodstamp mamas, crackhead daddies that send their kids to school so they can get a paycheck, and other unfortunate situations.. so, why is it the illegals fault? just being here? and using the only opportunity they have?

As much as I b*tch about illegal aliens I fully admit that the federal government and the employers are far more culpable than the illegal aliens themselves. Without their collusion none of this would be going on. The elected US congress is far more culpable than than ICE and the Border Patrol. Congress sets the agenda as does the president. They have played this situation for the maximum self interest both personally and politically. In fact, they are the main culprit in this fiasco. However, the illegals aren't innocent victims either. When someone pays thousands of $ to sneak over the border they know damned well it ain't legit. They also know damned well that they get what they get as long as they get away with it. They know they are deportable at any time. Any of them that come over here expecting that they are regular immigrants are fools and idiots. Setting down roots while breaking dozens of US laws is a recipe for a big dose of reality. Whether they get over for 30 days or 30 years it is all the same to me. No amnesty. There have been 7 illegal alien amnesties already and enough is enough. You don't deter illegal immigration with endless, multiple amnesties. You deter illegal immigration with enforcement of immigration and employment laws.

It is corruption pure and simple. Crooks being crooks. The politicians, the employers, and the illegal aliens. They all need to be burned. The whole ball of wax is one big criminal enterprise of organized crime against the American people.

Edited August 5, 2008 by peejay

[HAL 9000 96]

Just imagine how much you could avoid hypertensive stress by supporting actually doing something from the top-down rather than giving yourself hypertensive stress over those people that only seek opportunity where it is mainly denied at home. While those at the top are part of a game that keeps them at the top by 10,000 leagues.

[dalegg 143]

This is the poll that makes me wonder why most Latinos are not Republicans.

[pedroh 21]

This is the poll that makes me wonder why most Latinos are not Republicans.

latinos usually don't become blind followers of a certain party.. they'll usually switch depending on who offers the best thing.. due to the multi-party system in their old countries (except cubans, they're reps for life)

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

[peejay 327]

Just imagine how much you could avoid hypertensive stress by supporting actually doing something from the top-down rather than giving yourself hypertensive stress over those people that only seek opportunity where it is mainly denied at home. While those at the top are part of a game that keeps them at the top by 10,000 leagues.

You know...when countries like Mexico double their population every 25-30 years through internal birthrates, I have a hard time concluding that the USA is somehow obligated to find employment for them and provide them a better life. It seems to me that as a people they need to get their own country in order rather than to push their problems and shortcomings onto other nations to solve for them. They are the citizens of and the responsibility of their own governments.

[HAL 9000 96]

Just imagine how much you could avoid hypertensive stress by supporting actually doing something from the top-down rather than giving yourself hypertensive stress over those people that only seek opportunity where it is mainly denied at home. While those at the top are part of a game that keeps them at the top by 10,000 leagues.

You know...when countries like Mexico double their population every 25-30 years through internal birthrates, I have a hard time concluding that the USA is somehow obligated to find employment for them and provide them a better life. It seems to me that as a people they need to get their own country in order rather than to push their problems and shortcomings onto other nations to solve for them. They are the citizens of and the responsibility of their own governments.

Yes, good point. Internal growth as a direct result of what my friend? Certainly not a booming economy and high rates of education where many have the ability to make choices based on progressive thinking and contraceptive birth control. Certainly not. Unfortunately, your assertion that they double their population is not in agreement with actual expert opinion, such as [here] where it states:

"Fertility compared to other countries"

U.S. fertility is dramatically higher than almost all other developed countries. Europe's aggregate fertility varies between approximately 1.3 and 1.5, depending upon region, and Japan is at 1.3.⁴

In less developed countries, fertility is the predominant factor driving population growth. For example, the fertility of Mexico is 2.8⁴ and the U.N. Population Division projects Mexico's population to grow from its current 100 million to 140 million within the next 50 years, a 40% increase.¹³ (The Census Bureau actually projects a higher 153 million in 2050, a 50 percent increase²⁷). China's fertility is 1.7, and is projected to increase to 1.85 over the next 50 years. Bangladesh is at 3.6, India at 3.1, Pakistan at 4.8, and Zambia at 5.9.⁴

The fertility of most developing countries is decreasing, but because of population momentum, their populations will continue to increase throughout most of this century. It is therefore especially important to offer significant family planning assistance now to high-fertility countries."

Derived from data from the UN

Secondly, once again the reaction that it is the US' responsibility to fix the world's problems is not what is being remotely requested- other than by you in your own reactive argument. Rather, it is rather a call to wake the heck up and realize that yes, our government and our representatives in the international business community are in effect more interested in having and eating too much of the global cake: which stimulates local economies to grow structures not at all beneficial to those citizens that have no clue as to where to start in ordering their governments since, surprise surprise, those same governments have a slew of public officials in bed with economical interests aligned with profit and not social well-being.

Of course, this is rather simplistic.

[peejay 327]

Just imagine how much you could avoid hypertensive stress by supporting actually doing something from the top-down rather than giving yourself hypertensive stress over those people that only seek opportunity where it is mainly denied at home. While those at the top are part of a game that keeps them at the top by 10,000 leagues.

You know...when countries like Mexico double their population every 25-30 years through internal birthrates, I have a hard time concluding that the USA is somehow obligated to find employment for them and provide them a better life. It seems to me that as a people they need to get their own country in order rather than to push their problems and shortcomings onto other nations to solve for them. They are the citizens of and the responsibility of their own governments.

Yes, good point. Internal growth as a direct result of what my friend? Certainly not a booming economy and high rates of education where many have the ability to make choices based on progressive thinking and contraceptive birth control. Certainly not. Unfortunately, your assertion that they double their population is not in agreement with actual expert opinion, such as [here] where it states:

"Fertility compared to other countries"

U.S. fertility is dramatically higher than almost all other developed countries. Europe's aggregate fertility varies between approximately 1.3 and 1.5, depending upon region, and Japan is at 1.3.⁴

In less developed countries, fertility is the predominant factor driving population growth. For example, the fertility of Mexico is 2.8⁴ and the U.N. Population Division projects Mexico's population to grow from its current 100 million to 140 million within the next 50 years, a 40% increase.¹³ (The Census Bureau actually projects a higher 153 million in 2050, a 50 percent increase²⁷). China's fertility is 1.7, and is projected to increase to 1.85 over the next 50 years. Bangladesh is at 3.6, India at 3.1, Pakistan at 4.8, and Zambia at 5.9.⁴

The fertility of most developing countries is decreasing, but because of population momentum, their populations will continue to increase throughout most of this century. It is therefore especially important to offer significant family planning assistance now to high-fertility countries."

Derived from data from the UN

Secondly, once again the reaction that it is the US' responsibility to fix the world's problems is not what is being remotely requested- other than by you in your own reactive argument. Rather, it is rather a call to wake the heck up and realize that yes, our government and our representatives in the international business community are in effect more interested in having and eating too much of the global cake: which stimulates local economies to grow structures not at all beneficial to those citizens that have no clue as to where to start in ordering their governments since, surprise surprise, those same governments have a slew of public officials in bed with economical interests aligned with profit and not social well-being.

Of course, this is rather simplistic.

Well...let's see...

In 1950 the population was 26 million and by 1980 it exploded to 67 million. In 2008 the population is now around 109 million. Plus we should add the millions that have migrated (legally and illegally) elsewhere. I think you can figure it out from there.

It kind of looks like they have been more or less doubling their population every 25-30 years.

To say that it is the responsibility of the USA to fix the world's problems is absurd. These people are the citizens of and the responsibility of their own governments. If this is their cultural predilection as a people to behave this way then they have to accept responsibility for their own predicament. You make your bed...you have to lay in it. When someone pisses in their own bowl of frijoles...they have no right to expect to eat from the bowls of others.

[panamania79 2]

Poll: Working-class divided on impact of illegal immigration

A new poll shows that working-class Americans are divided right down the middle about the impact of illegal immigrants on their job prospects.

The poll, conducted for the Washington Post, the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University, found that 49 percent of Americans earning $27,000 a year and less say that illegal immigrants "generally take jobs away from legal residents."

Americans were divided along racial lines. Working-class blacks and whites were more than twice as likely as working-class Hispanics to feel that illegal workers were a threat to their livelihoods.

According to the poll, 57 percent of African Americans and Caucasians said that illegal immigrants take jobs from legal residents, while just 26 percent of Latinos held that view.

The poll surveyed 1,350 workers earning $27,000 per year and less because they represent about 40 percent of the workforce and are seen as most vulnerable to low-wage competition.

To reach the maximum number of workers, interviews were conducted in English and Spanish both on land lines and mobile phones.

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/08/p...vided_on_i.html

To all the people who think illegal immigrants are not taking our jobs,I have some very interesting reading material.

http://www.projo.com/news/stategovernment/...54.3e8394a.html

[HAL 9000 96]

Just imagine how much you could avoid hypertensive stress by supporting actually doing something from the top-down rather than giving yourself hypertensive stress over those people that only seek opportunity where it is mainly denied at home. While those at the top are part of a game that keeps them at the top by 10,000 leagues.

You know...when countries like Mexico double their population every 25-30 years through internal birthrates, I have a hard time concluding that the USA is somehow obligated to find employment for them and provide them a better life. It seems to me that as a people they need to get their own country in order rather than to push their problems and shortcomings onto other nations to solve for them. They are the citizens of and the responsibility of their own governments.

Yes, good point. Internal growth as a direct result of what my friend? Certainly not a booming economy and high rates of education where many have the ability to make choices based on progressive thinking and contraceptive birth control. Certainly not. Unfortunately, your assertion that they double their population is not in agreement with actual expert opinion, such as [here] where it states:

"Fertility compared to other countries"

U.S. fertility is dramatically higher than almost all other developed countries. Europe's aggregate fertility varies between approximately 1.3 and 1.5, depending upon region, and Japan is at 1.3.⁴

In less developed countries, fertility is the predominant factor driving population growth. For example, the fertility of Mexico is 2.8⁴ and the U.N. Population Division projects Mexico's population to grow from its current 100 million to 140 million within the next 50 years, a 40% increase.¹³ (The Census Bureau actually projects a higher 153 million in 2050, a 50 percent increase²⁷). China's fertility is 1.7, and is projected to increase to 1.85 over the next 50 years. Bangladesh is at 3.6, India at 3.1, Pakistan at 4.8, and Zambia at 5.9.⁴

The fertility of most developing countries is decreasing, but because of population momentum, their populations will continue to increase throughout most of this century. It is therefore especially important to offer significant family planning assistance now to high-fertility countries."

Derived from data from the UN

Secondly, once again the reaction that it is the US' responsibility to fix the world's problems is not what is being remotely requested- other than by you in your own reactive argument. Rather, it is rather a call to wake the heck up and realize that yes, our government and our representatives in the international business community are in effect more interested in having and eating too much of the global cake: which stimulates local economies to grow structures not at all beneficial to those citizens that have no clue as to where to start in ordering their governments since, surprise surprise, those same governments have a slew of public officials in bed with economical interests aligned with profit and not social well-being.

Of course, this is rather simplistic.

Well...let's see...

In 1950 the population was 26 million and by 1980 it exploded to 67 million. In 2008 the population is now around 109 million. Plus we should add the millions that have migrated (legally and illegally) elsewhere. I think you can figure it out from there.

It kind of looks like they have been more or less doubling their population every 25-30 years.

To say that it is the responsibility of the USA to fix the world's problems is absurd. These people are the citizens of and the responsibility of their own governments. If this is their cultural predilection as a people to behave this way then they have to accept responsibility for their own predicament. You make your bed...you have to lay in it. When someone pisses in their own bowl of frijoles...they have no right to expect to eat from the bowls of others.

Kind of and actually being are a bit different. Nevertheless, lets grant you those numbers. With obvious and clear results to this date. Now add the projected growth rates.

What I do find completely absurd is thinking we are entitled to enjoy the fruits of an international business climate that really does help create those despicable conditions in their countries. This is not about feeling bad or blaming, its about being realistic. If you are pissed to hell of all the illegal immigration from the human side that shows up in your city, then you should also be pissed to hell and outraged that these are individuals (generalized) doing so for particular reasons that are directly tied to an economical climate stimulated by those that represent a bipolar way of managing business ethics. Complaining that its the citizens' problem for permitting such an intrusion into an equitative way of existing is a bit incomplete in scope since that is the same as hiding your hand after throwing a stone at someone. The world is a little more intricately connected than perhaps you are willing to accept at this time.

[HAL 9000 96]

Poll: Working-class divided on impact of illegal immigration

A new poll shows that working-class Americans are divided right down the middle about the impact of illegal immigrants on their job prospects.

The poll, conducted for the Washington Post, the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University, found that 49 percent of Americans earning $27,000 a year and less say that illegal immigrants "generally take jobs away from legal residents."

Americans were divided along racial lines. Working-class blacks and whites were more than twice as likely as working-class Hispanics to feel that illegal workers were a threat to their livelihoods.

According to the poll, 57 percent of African Americans and Caucasians said that illegal immigrants take jobs from legal residents, while just 26 percent of Latinos held that view.

The poll surveyed 1,350 workers earning $27,000 per year and less because they represent about 40 percent of the workforce and are seen as most vulnerable to low-wage competition.

To reach the maximum number of workers, interviews were conducted in English and Spanish both on land lines and mobile phones.

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/08/p...vided_on_i.html

To all the people who think illegal immigrants are not taking our jobs,I have some very interesting reading material.

http://www.projo.com/news/stategovernment/...54.3e8394a.html

You mean to all those people that think that companies are not giving ['our'] jobs to illegals.

Besides, to make a job 'ours' we first have to have it... and to my knowledge, I wonder how many lawsuits would arise if [literally] our jobs were actually given to others, let alone illegals.

[panamania79 2]

Poll: Working-class divided on impact of illegal immigration

A new poll shows that working-class Americans are divided right down the middle about the impact of illegal immigrants on their job prospects.

The poll, conducted for the Washington Post, the Kaiser Family Foundation and Harvard University, found that 49 percent of Americans earning $27,000 a year and less say that illegal immigrants "generally take jobs away from legal residents."

Americans were divided along racial lines. Working-class blacks and whites were more than twice as likely as working-class Hispanics to feel that illegal workers were a threat to their livelihoods.

According to the poll, 57 percent of African Americans and Caucasians said that illegal immigrants take jobs from legal residents, while just 26 percent of Latinos held that view.

The poll surveyed 1,350 workers earning $27,000 per year and less because they represent about 40 percent of the workforce and are seen as most vulnerable to low-wage competition.

To reach the maximum number of workers, interviews were conducted in English and Spanish both on land lines and mobile phones.

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/08/p...vided_on_i.html

To all the people who think illegal immigrants are not taking our jobs,I have some very interesting reading material.

http://www.projo.com/news/stategovernment/...54.3e8394a.html

You mean to all those people that think that companies are not giving ['our'] jobs to illegals.

Besides, to make a job 'ours' we first have to have it... and to my knowledge, I wonder how many lawsuits would arise if [literally] our jobs were actually given to others, let alone illegals.

Ooops,let me rephrase that.Jobs that American citizens are willing to do.Sorry about that.