Man stabbed and beheaded on Greyhound bus

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I have to agree, unless you have some direct involvement it's voyeurism of the worst type. I'd much rather people watch porn than violence. It's on a par with snuff movies in my opinion.

I'd like to know who this guy was. Obviuosly, he had some kind of history with mental problems.

Here's what was in this morning's Edmonton Journal:

The "accused" is Vince Weiguang Li, age 40. He worked as an independent newspaper delivery man for the Edmonton Journal, delivering the paper in the Clareview area (my neck of the woods in Edmonton).

His supervisor said he was a "nice guy" and a reliable worker. Monday Vince delivered the paper and after Tuesday, his supervisor didn't hear from him. The story goes on to say that he was married and he and his wife may have been having marital problems. His neighbors from his apartment building were interviewed and they said he was unfriendly and antisocial. He was apparently often seen at late hours of evening in the parking lot of the apartment complex walking around.

I think the news said earlier he had no prior history with police.

On another note, the victim was in Edmonton working the Capital Ex (akin to a county fair) and was heading home after it ended its stay in town.

So sad for this family.

The Crown has decided to pursue a 2nd degree murder charge rather than first. They're not certain they could get a 1st degree because they may not be able to prove premeditation.

I can't imagine he will get anything less than life in a psychiatric institution

When something like this happens, I tend to focus my emotional reaction on trying to make sense of it. I'd like to think that there were signs that he wasn't right in the head and perhaps had someone (a co-worker, family member) could of intervened somehow, that this tragedy would have not occured...unless he is a psychopath who has done this to several other victims in the past.

Edited August 3, 2008 by Jabberwocky

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[Ban Hammer 14,655]

When something like this happens, I tend to focus my emotional reaction on trying to make sense of it.

good luck with that. i'd think of it as mission impossible, given how much of a fruitcake the guy is.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I have to agree, unless you have some direct involvement it's voyeurism of the worst type. I'd much rather people watch porn than violence. It's on a par with snuff movies in my opinion.

I'd like to know who this guy was. Obviuosly, he had some kind of history with mental problems.

Here's what was in this morning's Edmonton Journal:

The "accused" is Vince Weiguang Li, age 40. He worked as an independent newspaper delivery man for the Edmonton Journal, delivering the paper in the Clareview area (my neck of the woods in Edmonton).

His supervisor said he was a "nice guy" and a reliable worker. Monday Vince delivered the paper and after Tuesday, his supervisor didn't hear from him. The story goes on to say that he was married and he and his wife may have been having marital problems. His neighbors from his apartment building were interviewed and they said he was unfriendly and antisocial. He was apparently often seen at late hours of evening in the parking lot of the apartment complex walking around.

I think the news said earlier he had no prior history with police.

On another note, the victim was in Edmonton working the Capital Ex (akin to a county fair) and was heading home after it ended its stay in town.

So sad for this family.

The Crown has decided to pursue a 2nd degree murder charge rather than first. They're not certain they could get a 1st degree because they may not be able to prove premeditation.

I can't imagine he will get anything less than life in a psychiatric institution

When something like this happens, I tend to focus my emotional reaction on trying to make sense of it. I'd like to think that there were signs that he wasn't right in the head and perhaps had someone (a co-worker, family member) could of intervened somehow, that this tragedy would have not occured...unless he is a psychopath who has done this to several other victims in the past.

I don't doubt there would have been some indication that the guy wasn't firing on all cylinders (but clearly he was lucid enough to get on the bus...), but if the state of mental healthcare in Canada is in any way equivalent of that of the UK or the US, then its not really surprising that someone like this was on the streets.

Still - whatever the reasoning its clear this man is very disturbed and for that reason he should be in some sort of institution for a very long time.

Edited August 3, 2008 by Number 6

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When something like this happens it's shocking to me as well.

[Heracles 417]

What concerns me is that why didn't anybody stop him? There was a bus load of people. Yet the ##### canucks all ran out.

I think Aussies and Americans would have jumped the one ######.

Edited August 3, 2008 by Aficionado

[MrsCat 6]

What concerns me is that why didn't anybody stop him? There was a bus load of people. Yet the ##### canucks all ran out.

I think Aussies and Americans would have jumped the one ######.

You really never know what someone's reaction will be unless they're in that situation. Obviously you haven't heard of something called the bystander effect. A lot of people look at these kinds of things and say - if I was there I would have . . . . . . The truth is - as supported by research - most people get out of harms way. Few people help.

Nice insinuation though. Do you have something to prove that Aussies or Americans are more willing to help, or just a general feeling of moral superiority?

Helping behavior has little to do with nationality, and rather has more to do with a person's actually belief in their ability to assist, whether they think others will offer assistance first, and I guess in this case whether they perceived themselves to be in immediate danger.

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I hear Brandon Manitoba has a nickname of "Raccoon City".

[Heracles 417]

You really never know what someone's reaction will be unless they're in that situation. Obviously you haven't heard of something called the bystander effect. A lot of people look at these kinds of things and say - if I was there I would have . . . . . . The truth is - as supported by research - most people get out of harms way. Few people help.

Nice insinuation though. Do you have something to prove that Aussies or Americans are more willing to help, or just a general feeling of moral superiority?

Helping behavior has little to do with nationality, and rather has more to do with a person's actually belief in their ability to assist, whether they think others will offer assistance first, and I guess in this case whether they perceived themselves to be in immediate danger.

Actions speak louder than words. The fact is that people ran off the bus rather than tackling this one guy.

[MrsCat 6]

You really never know what someone's reaction will be unless they're in that situation. Obviously you haven't heard of something called the bystander effect. A lot of people look at these kinds of things and say - if I was there I would have . . . . . . The truth is - as supported by research - most people get out of harms way. Few people help.

Nice insinuation though. Do you have something to prove that Aussies or Americans are more willing to help, or just a general feeling of moral superiority?

Helping behavior has little to do with nationality, and rather has more to do with a person's actually belief in their ability to assist, whether they think others will offer assistance first, and I guess in this case whether they perceived themselves to be in immediate danger.

Actions speak louder than words. The fact is that people ran off the bus rather than tackling this one guy.

So you're basically agreeing with my point?

Or you have an greyhound bus heading in your home country where it was Aussies to the rescue?

Not sure what your point is?

[MissStacey 1]

What concerns me is that why didn't anybody stop him? There was a bus load of people. Yet the ##### canucks all ran out.

I think Aussies and Americans would have jumped the one ######.

I thought the same thing too- why people didn't just jump him to try to stop it.

After reading Cat's response- maybe it is easier to think you would react a certain way but when actually faced with the situation- you don't.

[Heracles 417]

What concerns me is that why didn't anybody stop him? There was a bus load of people. Yet the ##### canucks all ran out.

I think Aussies and Americans would have jumped the one ######.

I thought the same thing too- why people didn't just jump him to try to stop it.

After reading Cat's response- maybe it is easier to think you would react a certain way but when actually faced with the situation- you don't.

I was joking about Canadians but I seriously wondered why 5 or so people just didn't jump him.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I seriously wondered why 5 or so people just didn't jump him.

Terror?

Shock?

Horror?

Edited August 3, 2008 by Number 6

[Heracles 417]

I seriously wondered why 5 or so people just didn't jump him.

Terror?

Shock?

Horror?

No ####..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I seriously wondered why 5 or so people just didn't jump him.

Terror?

Shock?

Horror?

No ####..

Exactly. And you wondered why people didn't do anything?