Release denied for dying Manson follower

[Peikko 1,575]

Sharon pleaded for her life and for the life of her unborn baby. They both were denied their parole, so to speak.

Exactly !

I second that.

Thirded

Which really goes to show that from your perspective the US criminal justice system is failing you. You should start a campaign to change the system to be more like the Saudi Arabian model. As it stands, justice is taken from the perspective that each accused will be afforded all their rights as human beings regardless of whatever crime they have committed. In other words, whether someone does or doesn't get parole is not based on whether they showed any mercy to their victims at the time of the crime.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Sharon pleaded for her life and for the life of her unborn baby. They both were denied their parole, so to speak.

Exactly !

I second that.

Thirded

Which really goes to show that from your perspective the US criminal justice system is failing you. You should start a campaign to change the system to be more like the Saudi Arabian model. As it stands, justice is taken from the perspective that each accused will be afforded all their rights as human beings regardless of whatever crime they have committed. In other words, whether someone does or doesn't get parole is not based on whether they showed any mercy to their victims at the time of the crime.

You?

[LoriLawless 1]

Sharon pleaded for her life and for the life of her unborn baby. They both were denied their parole, so to speak.

Exactly !

I second that.

Thirded

Which really goes to show that from your perspective the US criminal justice system is failing you. You should start a campaign to change the system to be more like the Saudi Arabian model. As it stands, justice is taken from the perspective that each accused will be afforded all their rights as human beings regardless of whatever crime they have committed. In other words, whether someone does or doesn't get parole is not based on whether they showed any mercy to their victims at the time of the crime.

The US criminal justice system did exactly what I wanted, thank you very much.

[Peikko 1,575]

No, the US justice system affords criminals their rights. it's not failing my standards as a system even if sometimes it does on an individual basis.

[Peikko 1,575]

Sharon pleaded for her life and for the life of her unborn baby. They both were denied their parole, so to speak.

Exactly !

I second that.

Thirded

Which really goes to show that from your perspective the US criminal justice system is failing you. You should start a campaign to change the system to be more like the Saudi Arabian model. As it stands, justice is taken from the perspective that each accused will be afforded all their rights as human beings regardless of whatever crime they have committed. In other words, whether someone does or doesn't get parole is not based on whether they showed any mercy to their victims at the time of the crime.

The US criminal justice system did exactly what I wanted, thank you very much.

No it didn't. It didn't deny parole simply because she didn't show her victim mercy at the time of the crime. It doesn't work in the way you portray it although the result is 'what you wanted'.

[LoriLawless 1]

How I read it was, they were asking for a "compassionate" release, not a parole hearing.

Turns out nobody feels any compassion for her. Including me.

[Peikko 1,575]

Read it again.

[almaty 19]

i worked for the parole baord in kansas.....and set in on many too count hearings...as the rep. for treatment.....

several areas are considered...

>history of the inamte while incarcerated....any issues or problems

>rehab. oppportunities, did the inmate take advantage of them...and if so, is there evidence from tx. that the inmate was productive

> the victim(s) and/or fmaily's imput

>is the inmate still a threat to society

and other, issues per the inmates case...crime and history of convictions

[LoriLawless 1]

The director may recommend at any time to the sentencing court

the recall of an inmate’s commitment pursuant to Penal Code

section 1170(d) for one or more of the following reasons:

(a) The inmate is terminally ill and is not condemned or

sentenced to life without possibility of parole.

(b It is evident from the inmate’s exceptional behavior that is

so extraordinary beyond simply complying with all regulations and

procedures during incarceration that they have changed as a person

and would be a positive asset to the community.

© Information which was not made available to the court in

pronouncing the inmate’s sentence is brought to the attention of

the director, who deems the information would have influenced the

sentence imposed by the court.

d) The director deems that circumstances have changed to the

extent that the inmate’s continued incarceration is not in the

interest of justice.

Which of these do you think she falls under?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

i worked for the parole baord in kansas.....and set in on many too count hearings...as the rep. for treatment.....

several areas are considered...

>history of the inamte while incarcerated....any issues or problems

>rehab. oppportunities, did the inmate take advantage of them...and if so, is there evidence from tx. that the inmate was productive

> the victim(s) and/or fmaily's imput

>is the inmate still a threat to society

and other, issues per the inmates case...crime and history of convictions

True - but in high profile cases such as this one there's usually a political element to it as well. Hence Myra Hindley (infamous child murderer in the UK during the 60's) had her requests for parole routinely denied by the home secretary up until her death in 2002. Meanwhile other murderers who committed less high-profile killings weren't subject to any such oversight.

[Peikko 1,575]

What I find interesting about this case is that it sets a precedent and one wonders just how 'political' the decision was as apposed to principaled. The ethics of these cases are extremely complex and it would be wrong if a case was denied because of 'pressure' to be seen to be doing what the public wants as apposed to what is right in terms of the workings of the judiciary. One assumes that justice is immune from 'political' pressure but that isn't always the case of course.

Interesting perspective Almaty, as always, thank you.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I didn't follow the story to its conclusion but I remember that there was talk of taking away the UK Home Secretary's powers to intervene directly in judicial sentences. I wonder if that ever happened... It probably wouldn't have been a bad thing.

[Peikko 1,575]

I am not exactly sure what purpose is served by denying compassionate release in these types of cases, except as a sop to the masses as it were. It is not as if these people are languishing in dripping jail cells with only bread and water and no medical attention. They are in fact housed in medical facilities with excellent care. The only difference I can see is that the family would have increased access and a say in what medical treatment is given?

Another perspective is, the state is paying for the criminal's treatment - would compassionate release mean that this would in fact become the responsibility of the family?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I am not exactly sure what purpose is served by denying compassionate release in these types of cases, except as a sop to the masses as it were. It is not as if these people are languishing in dripping jail cells with only bread and water and no medical attention. They are in fact housed in medical facilities with excellent care. The only difference I can see is that the family would have increased access and a say in what medical treatment is given?

Another perspective is, the state is paying for the criminal's treatment - would compassionate release mean that this would in fact become the responsibility of the family?

Certainly not a black and white issue. But consideration of those issues is doubtless secondary to the perception that a denied request for prison = justified punishment

[*JG* 2]

I always said she should rot in jail for what she did. I'm sorry she is dying this horrible death; but in the end, I don't think she should get out for any reason.