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If you get your way and Obama is elected he will tax you to the point that your children will have nothing anyway. Raising taxes on us only makes us poorer.

Where in Obama's tax plan does he mention raising taxes on low-income or middle class people? Yes, you will be taxed if you are making a lot of money, but shouldn't people making the most be taxed more than those just getting by?

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If you get your way and Obama is elected he will tax you to the point that your children will have nothing anyway. Raising taxes on us only makes us poorer.

Where in Obama's tax plan does he mention raising taxes on low-income or middle class people? Yes, you will be taxed if you are making a lot of money, but shouldn't people making the most be taxed more than those just getting by?

All you have to do is read. He will raise taxes on everyone. The poor will get a double hit. When he raises taxes on the rich and business that will force the people that provide the jobs to cut back. The first place they cut back is labor costs. That means less jobs and lower pay. Or worse they will just move out of the country. It's a concept that to many don't understand.

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If you get your way and Obama is elected he will tax you to the point that your children will have nothing anyway. Raising taxes on us only makes us poorer.

Where in Obama's tax plan does he mention raising taxes on low-income or middle class people? Yes, you will be taxed if you are making a lot of money, but shouldn't people making the most be taxed more than those just getting by?

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The answer to all this is fiscal discipline. The Republicans have forgotten what fiscal discipline is at least from Reagan onward. Both in the White House and in Congress. It's kind of hard for Republicans to argue now that they will save the day. They haven't shown to be capable of that anywhere in the last 28 years. Governments, deficits and debts have nothing but grown under the Republicans. So much so that nobody can really take seriously any claim from that side that they'll get it under control this time around. They can't. In fact, they won't even try.

This is exactly what I mean. They keep on pandering to the left by growing government instead of realing it in thinking somehow it will achieve gains at the polls. It hasn't, so they need to go back to basics, and in 2012 they will have both the opportunity and the mandate to do just that.

Although part of me is a bit frightened over the next 4 years, I see this as an opportunity and hope Obama won't actually do everything he says he wants to once he starts to see the affects. The problem with McCain coming in is that for the most part we will remain the same as now- which by the way I think is just great. The last 4 years for me have easily been the best years of my life. But unfortunately millions of people are somehow convinced that the country is in horrible shape and they will just keep nagging on and on for 4 more years thinking pseudo socialism is the answer and perhaps someone even farther left than Obama will come in. I think its time to give people a refresher course.

I take it you weren't in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.

What does that have to do with the discussion? Typical left response. When faced with a position you can't defend then chance the subject.

Gary, this ahs to do with his response. The point is the last 4 years haven't been great for a lot of Americans, especially those who are facing foreclosures, have lost children in an unnecessary war, watched the dollar fall, and have seen the economy get worse. I can find a few polls for you if you want, but the consensus is that the majority of Americans (not those well off) are having worse times now then during the boom years pre-Bush. Of course there will be exceptions, but do I have to define what exceptions means?

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I can find a few polls for you if you want, but the consensus is that the majority of Americans (not those well off) are having worse times now then during the boom years pre-Bush. Of course there will be exceptions, but do I have to define what exceptions means?

how about this poll for a start?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=132365

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If you get your way and Obama is elected he will tax you to the point that your children will have nothing anyway. Raising taxes on us only makes us poorer.

Where in Obama's tax plan does he mention raising taxes on low-income or middle class people? Yes, you will be taxed if you are making a lot of money, but shouldn't people making the most be taxed more than those just getting by?

Rich =evil :lol: I see you been shopping at the leftwing store! :rofl:

Actually, my previous posts stated nothing like that. In the words of Gary, a typical right wing response. If you read before, instead of joining in a few pages too late, you might have read that I wrote hopefully one day I will be in the same 1-5% that will see increased taxes. However, I would also expect to be taxed more.

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If you get your way and Obama is elected he will tax you to the point that your children will have nothing anyway. Raising taxes on us only makes us poorer.

Where in Obama's tax plan does he mention raising taxes on low-income or middle class people? Yes, you will be taxed if you are making a lot of money, but shouldn't people making the most be taxed more than those just getting by?

Rich =evil :lol: I see you been shopping at the leftwing store! :rofl:

Actually, my previous posts stated nothing like that. In the words of Gary, a typical right wing response. If you read before, instead of joining in a few pages too late, you might have read that I wrote hopefully one day I will be in the same 1-5% that will see increased taxes. However, I would also expect to be taxed more.

All ppl should be taxed equally! Nuff said.

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I can find a few polls for you if you want, but the consensus is that the majority of Americans (not those well off) are having worse times now then during the boom years pre-Bush. Of course there will be exceptions, but do I have to define what exceptions means?

how about this poll for a start?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=132365

Although 55 votes might appear to be a somewhat scientific sample in some circles, it is not in mine. Why does anyone think both Congress AND Bush are doing a worse job now than in the late 90s? Why has the number 1 issue for the upcoming eleciton become the economy? A few years ago it was national security.

Seriously, are all the conservative VJers that well off (again, Rogue, I did not say they are evil...)? If so, I'd be interested in finding out your careers. Maybe I'll make the switch down the road to a higher paying salary, but I'd still stick by higher taxes if it means my fellow Americans who are struggling would get a helping hand.

12-14-07 Sent K-1 petition

12-17-07 Received NOA1

01-06-08 Got engaged!!!

02-21-08 NOA2 Approved

02-27-08 NVC processed petition

02-28-08 Received NOA2 in mail

03-03-08 Consulate in Rio de Janeiro received petition

03-21-08 Received packet for interview

04-22-08 Visa Interview and Visa APPROVED!

05-06-08 Visa received in mail

07-28-08 Wedding Date (Reception was 26th, but forgot to reigster for MC...oops)

10-04-08 Applied for AOS (EAD and AP also)

10-09-08 NOA1 for I-485

10-27-08 I-485 transferred to CSC

11-04-08 I-485 Biometrics appointment

11-13-08 NOA1 for EAD

12-09-08 EAD Biometrics appointment

01-08-09 AP Approved

01-13-09 AP Received

Cost of 3 roundtrip tickets to Brazil in last 3 years...... $2,900+

Cost of filing petitions for K-1 visa & AOS.................... $1,465+

Cost of monthly calling cards to Brazil........................$20

Cost of marrying the woman of my dreams.... PRICELESS

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The answer to all this is fiscal discipline. The Republicans have forgotten what fiscal discipline is at least from Reagan onward. Both in the White House and in Congress. It's kind of hard for Republicans to argue now that they will save the day. They haven't shown to be capable of that anywhere in the last 28 years. Governments, deficits and debts have nothing but grown under the Republicans. So much so that nobody can really take seriously any claim from that side that they'll get it under control this time around. They can't. In fact, they won't even try.

This is exactly what I mean. They keep on pandering to the left by growing government instead of realing it in thinking somehow it will achieve gains at the polls. It hasn't, so they need to go back to basics, and in 2012 they will have both the opportunity and the mandate to do just that.

Although part of me is a bit frightened over the next 4 years, I see this as an opportunity and hope Obama won't actually do everything he says he wants to once he starts to see the affects. The problem with McCain coming in is that for the most part we will remain the same as now- which by the way I think is just great. The last 4 years for me have easily been the best years of my life. But unfortunately millions of people are somehow convinced that the country is in horrible shape and they will just keep nagging on and on for 4 more years thinking pseudo socialism is the answer and perhaps someone even farther left than Obama will come in. I think its time to give people a refresher course.

So, you think it's just great that we are becoming a nation of borrowed wealth? That we're essentially pawning our children's future? I don't think that's great at all. I'd like to leave a better place for my children than what I had not one that's worse.

If you get your way and Obama is elected he will tax you to the point that your children will have nothing anyway. Raising taxes on us only makes us poorer.

Paying for the things we afford ourselves only opens our eyes as to what the things really cost. That will help us evaluate better whether we really want them. Being such an advocate of the illagal attack on Iraq, for example, you shouldn't have a problem paying for that. Instead, you're forcing the next generations to pick up the tab for W's wet-dream. That just ain't right anywhay you slice it. I'd ask you to put your money where your mouth is.

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$200,000 to $250,000

Well since I am not even close to that bracket I am not that concerned. So you think the economy is in good shape now? Foreclosures, jobs lost, gas prices over the top, oh yea this is a great economy, oh and the war that they flat out lied about to get everyone to rally around them. What news are you watching, you must be very wealthy, if you are not, than WOW is all I can say. What is your stand on McCain for backing tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations at the expense of the middle class? The claim that Obama will ‘enact’ the largest tax increase since World War II is also overblown. The Bush tax cuts will expire automatically at the end of 2010, so it is hardly a question of ‘enacting’ a new tax increase… McCain spokesman Brian Rogers pointed to an analysis by the non-partisan Annenberg Political Fact Check that found that the gross tax increase would amount to $103.3 billion in 2011, the largest single-year tax increase since World War II. The Annenberg study pointed out, however, that ‘most economists’ prefer to measure tax changes as a percentage of gross national product, in which case it would be the fifth largest increase since 1943.” Study your history of economics please.

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I say let them have it.

Unlike the Clinton Years, this Democrat will have a Democratic congress, so people will get to see the full affect of a Democrat run congress and what all of this nonsense will result in. This will be the perfect 4 years for Republicans to regroup and get a candidate they actually like. Remember the last time we had 4 years of a Democrat president with a Democratic congress the result was a Republican President for 20 of the next 28 years.

I ended up jobless and homeless after Carter. I am getting to old to live through that again. The trouble with most Obama supporters is they see history through a book rather than living through it. Or worse yet, they think that somehow it will be different this time around. With Obama and a dem congress we will see the worst this country has gone through since Carter. In fact, Obama is in many ways worse than Carter. I just don't want to go through that terrible time again.

Is that the same sort of book you saw living in Europe through Gary?

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What? Everyone wants more taxes?

just those who think they'll benefit from their sense of entitlement.

Some people actually feel that we should pay our own way rather than unloading that burden on our children. But I guess that's un-American.

THIS.

What is so wrong with our government spending the same or less money than it takes in? The only President in the past 28 years to preside over a budge that eliminated deficit spending was a Democrat. So why is it the Democrat's fault again?

Sorry, you guys had your chance for far too long and you've blown it. And finally even red states are figuring this out.

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I can find a few polls for you if you want, but the consensus is that the majority of Americans (not those well off) are having worse times now then during the boom years pre-Bush. Of course there will be exceptions, but do I have to define what exceptions means?

how about this poll for a start?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=132365

Although 55 votes might appear to be a somewhat scientific sample in some circles, it is not in mine. Why does anyone think both Congress AND Bush are doing a worse job now than in the late 90s? Why has the number 1 issue for the upcoming eleciton become the economy? A few years ago it was national security.

Seriously, are all the conservative VJers that well off (again, Rogue, I did not say they are evil...)? If so, I'd be interested in finding out your careers. Maybe I'll make the switch down the road to a higher paying salary, but I'd still stick by higher taxes if it means my fellow Americans who are struggling would get a helping hand.

By the looks of your pic there id give you some advice. You need to put a little more time in. A wish for the government to take more money from your fellow man, is not a good wish.

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$200,000 to $250,000

Well since I am not even close to that bracket I am not that concerned. So you think the economy is in good shape now? Foreclosures, jobs lost, gas prices over the top, oh yea this is a great economy, oh and the war that they flat out lied about to get everyone to rally around them. What news are you watching, you must be very wealthy, if you are not, than WOW is all I can say. What is your stand on McCain for backing tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations at the expense of the middle class? The claim that Obama will ‘enact’ the largest tax increase since World War II is also overblown. The Bush tax cuts will expire automatically at the end of 2010, so it is hardly a question of ‘enacting’ a new tax increase… McCain spokesman Brian Rogers pointed to an analysis by the non-partisan Annenberg Political Fact Check that found that the gross tax increase would amount to $103.3 billion in 2011, the largest single-year tax increase since World War II. The Annenberg study pointed out, however, that ‘most economists’ prefer to measure tax changes as a percentage of gross national product, in which case it would be the fifth largest increase since 1943.” Study your history of economics please.

Liberal thinking in a nutshell :rofl: Love for all! except those in a higher bracket. :rofl: Its NOT just about you!

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$200,000 to $250,000

Well since I am not even close to that bracket I am not that concerned. So you think the economy is in good shape now? Foreclosures, jobs lost, gas prices over the top, oh yea this is a great economy, oh and the war that they flat out lied about to get everyone to rally around them. What news are you watching, you must be very wealthy, if you are not, than WOW is all I can say. What is your stand on McCain for backing tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations at the expense of the middle class? The claim that Obama will ‘enact’ the largest tax increase since World War II is also overblown. The Bush tax cuts will expire automatically at the end of 2010, so it is hardly a question of ‘enacting’ a new tax increase… McCain spokesman Brian Rogers pointed to an analysis by the non-partisan Annenberg Political Fact Check that found that the gross tax increase would amount to $103.3 billion in 2011, the largest single-year tax increase since World War II. The Annenberg study pointed out, however, that ‘most economists’ prefer to measure tax changes as a percentage of gross national product, in which case it would be the fifth largest increase since 1943.” Study your history of economics please.

Liberal thinking in a nutshell :rofl: Love for all! except those in a higher bracket. :rofl: Its NOT just about you!

I'm pretty sure if I was in that tax bracket I could afford to pay higher taxes on that extra income.

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I-751 biometrics appt. 29 May 2007

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Our son Michael is born!: 18 Aug 2007

Apply for US Citizenship: 14 July 2008

N-400 NOA1: 15 July 2008

Check cashed: 17 July 2008

Our son Michael is one year old!: 18 Aug 2008

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N-400 interview: 18 Nov 2008 Passed!

Our daughter Emmy is born!: 23 Dec 2008

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