Oh, it's this again.....

[no name 1]

LA has a big march planned as well, hopefully no riot like last year...

[HAL 9000 96]

chicago has a poor history of riot control...and if arrests were attempted..you would have a riot

Give me some time to head to Downtown then if that's the case!

Sister's B-Day... Mothers Day... 1st Anniversary in August...

Early X-Mas...

[keltic 1]

chicago has a poor history of riot control...and if arrests were attempted..you would have a riot

*sarcasm on*

oh, but illegal aliens are law abiding, wonderful ppl... they wouldnt riot or anything... they wouldnt evade taxes or drive illegally or uninsured... and they wouldnt use health clinics for free care that was meant for the citizens of this country who actually pay taxes... and they wouldnt... um..........

*sarcasm off*

[Jack and Barbara 0]

chicago has a poor history of riot control...and if arrests were attempted..you would have a riot

*sarcasm on*

oh, but illegal aliens are law abiding, wonderful ppl... they wouldnt riot or anything... they wouldnt evade taxes or drive illegally or uninsured... and they wouldnt use health clinics for free care that was meant for the citizens of this country who actually pay taxes... and they wouldnt... um..........

*sarcasm off*

I understand the sarcasm and know where you are coming from but keep in mind that once illegals are here, what incentives are there to pay taxes, drive insured, pay for health insurance? Some of these are not available to them based on the fact that they are ILLEGAL immigrants, right?

Edited May 1, 2008 by Jack and Barbara

[Niels Bohr 72]

chicago has a poor history of riot control...and if arrests were attempted..you would have a riot

*sarcasm on*

oh, but illegal aliens are law abiding, wonderful ppl... they wouldnt riot or anything... they wouldnt evade taxes or drive illegally or uninsured... and they wouldnt use health clinics for free care that was meant for the citizens of this country who actually pay taxes... and they wouldnt... um..........

*sarcasm off*

I understand the sarcasm and know where you are coming from but keep in mind that once illegals are here, what incentives are there to pay taxes, drive insured, pay for health insurance? Some of these are not available to them based on the fact that they are ILLEGAL immigrants, right?

In economics, that's called overspill benefits. There are a number of these stuff happenings. It cannot be controlled. Such as free meals for the homeless, free lunch programs at parks (assistance for the poor), SSI, and many more...

[Nessa 23]

I see that as a great opportunity for the police to arrest them all. It'll be thousands less illegal immigrants to deal with.

A lovely sight that would be. I figure you'd be willing to also pay for the detention and deportation costs?

As a contributing member of society, I pay taxes. In a perfect world, that would cover the expenses

[keltic 1]

chicago has a poor history of riot control...and if arrests were attempted..you would have a riot

*sarcasm on*

oh, but illegal aliens are law abiding, wonderful ppl... they wouldnt riot or anything... they wouldnt evade taxes or drive illegally or uninsured... and they wouldnt use health clinics for free care that was meant for the citizens of this country who actually pay taxes... and they wouldnt... um..........

*sarcasm off*

I understand the sarcasm and know where you are coming from but keep in mind that once illegals are here, what incentives are there to pay taxes, drive insured, pay for health insurance? Some of these are not available to them based on the fact that they are ILLEGAL immigrants, right?

right... thusly why they shouldnt be here to begin with...

the incentive should be to do what is right... like those who came here legally...

oh, how bout the identity theft? forgot to mention that one... dont bother to answer... it does no good... everybody already knows how they feel about this... no need to go round and round again

[HAL 9000 96]

I see that as a great opportunity for the police to arrest them all. It'll be thousands less illegal immigrants to deal with.

A lovely sight that would be. I figure you'd be willing to also pay for the detention and deportation costs?

As a contributing member of society, I pay taxes. In a perfect world, that would cover the expenses

Unfortunately sister Nessa, our tax money is being squandered in the Middle East right now.

[Jack and Barbara 0]

Chicago doesn't seem to be the safest city recently to be holding any kind of protests or demonstrations

[HAL 9000 96]

Chicago doesn't seem to be the safest city recently to be holding any kind of protests or demonstrations

Maybe for traffic jams, that is.

[DeadPoolX 9]

I see that as a great opportunity for the police to arrest them all. It'll be thousands less illegal immigrants to deal with.

A lovely sight that would be. I figure you'd be willing to also pay for the detention and deportation costs?

Seeing as how our federal tax dollars would be spent to legalize these illegal aliens and give them green cards (some of whom might go even further and acquire citizenship), I don't see what the real difference would be. I'd rather have my collected tax money used on rounding up and deporting the illegals, rather than giving them a "free ride" through the system that so many of us (and others not even on here) have to work hard to get through.

[HAL 9000 96]

I see that as a great opportunity for the police to arrest them all. It'll be thousands less illegal immigrants to deal with.

A lovely sight that would be. I figure you'd be willing to also pay for the detention and deportation costs?

Seeing as how our federal tax dollars would be spent to legalize these illegal aliens and give them green cards (some of whom might go even further and acquire citizenship), I don't see what the real difference would be. I'd rather have my collected tax money used on rounding up and deporting the illegals, rather than giving them a "free ride" through the system that so many of us (and others not even on here) have to work hard to get through.

OK.

Somehow, I think in terms of dollars to dollars, the cost of legislation plus collected fees and penalties from legitimizing the population would end up being loads less than actively seeking, investigating, proving, housing, and deporting them, but maybe people involved in the entire process can do all that pro bono out of the goodness of their harts.

If done right this entire fiasco can turn into a cash cow for USCIS, speeding up the people at the front of the line. And by becoming citizens (thanks for reminding us), they can also contribute legally to the US Treasury like the rest of us do. Make it conditional... contribute or leave within a certain time frame- use ICE for that kind of logical, sensical stuff.

Of course, I do not support amnesty. It just makes better $ense to give the ones already here a real guarantee to self deport and a place at the back of the line where they are, of course, given a real chance at legal immigration. Which is where the Stateside crux of the problem lies.

Edited May 1, 2008 by maviwaro

[Sheriff Uling 3]

You're kidding me right. What part of they are in this country illegally do they not understand.

What get's under my collar is that folks actually are offended that we are upset about illegal immigration. What nerve!

[DeadPoolX 9]

I see that as a great opportunity for the police to arrest them all. It'll be thousands less illegal immigrants to deal with.

A lovely sight that would be. I figure you'd be willing to also pay for the detention and deportation costs?

Seeing as how our federal tax dollars would be spent to legalize these illegal aliens and give them green cards (some of whom might go even further and acquire citizenship), I don't see what the real difference would be. I'd rather have my collected tax money used on rounding up and deporting the illegals, rather than giving them a "free ride" through the system that so many of us (and others not even on here) have to work hard to get through.

OK.

Somehow, I think in terms of dollars to dollars, the cost of legislation plus collected fees and penalties from legitimizing the population would end up being loads less than actively seeking, investigating, proving, housing, and deporting them, but maybe people involved in the entire process can do all that pro bono out of the goodness of their harts.

If done right this entire fiasco can turn into a cash cow for USCIS, speeding up the people at the front of the line. And by becoming citizens (thanks for reminding us), they can also contribute legally to the US Treasury like the rest of us do. Make it conditional... contribute or leave within a certain time frame- use ICE for that kind of logical, sensical stuff.

Of course, I do not support amnesty. It just makes better $ense to give the ones already here a real guarantee to self deport and a place at the back of the line where they are, of course, given a real chance at legal immigration. Which is where the Stateside crux of the problem lies.

I agree with you that, on the surface, it makes more sense (in terms of dollars) to give amnesty to illegals. It's a much greater hassle anyway, even if it cost less, to round up the illegals and I doubt USCIS would feel like doing it. Plus the ACLU and other groups would be hounding them the entire time.

But here's my issue with that...

If illegals know they'll gain amnesty in the U.S., what's to stop more from coming in after the current crop is given a green card? If more and more illegals stream in, knowing they'll be handed permanent residency by the U.S. government, that'll only encourage them and more to do so, plus it'll end up costing us far more in the long run than it ever would to round up and deport them.

In addition, if it becomes standard practice to hand out green cards to illegals, what would be the incentive to go through immigration legally? To say you did that way? If you have the choice of getting your green card by choosing to pay lots of money, wait months or even a year and spend most of that time apart from your spouse... or come into the U.S. right away, spend very little money at all, and be with your spouse immediately, which one do you think people are going to choose?

[HAL 9000 96]

I see that as a great opportunity for the police to arrest them all. It'll be thousands less illegal immigrants to deal with.

A lovely sight that would be. I figure you'd be willing to also pay for the detention and deportation costs?

Seeing as how our federal tax dollars would be spent to legalize these illegal aliens and give them green cards (some of whom might go even further and acquire citizenship), I don't see what the real difference would be. I'd rather have my collected tax money used on rounding up and deporting the illegals, rather than giving them a "free ride" through the system that so many of us (and others not even on here) have to work hard to get through.

OK.

Somehow, I think in terms of dollars to dollars, the cost of legislation plus collected fees and penalties from legitimizing the population would end up being loads less than actively seeking, investigating, proving, housing, and deporting them, but maybe people involved in the entire process can do all that pro bono out of the goodness of their harts.

If done right this entire fiasco can turn into a cash cow for USCIS, speeding up the people at the front of the line. And by becoming citizens (thanks for reminding us), they can also contribute legally to the US Treasury like the rest of us do. Make it conditional... contribute or leave within a certain time frame- use ICE for that kind of logical, sensical stuff.

Of course, I do not support amnesty. It just makes better $ense to give the ones already here a real guarantee to self deport and a place at the back of the line where they are, of course, given a real chance at legal immigration. Which is where the Stateside crux of the problem lies.

I agree with you that, on the surface, it makes more sense (in terms of dollars) to give amnesty to illegals. It's a much greater hassle anyway, even if it cost less, to round up the illegals and I doubt USCIS would feel like doing it. Plus the ACLU and other groups would be hounding them the entire time.

But here's my issue with that...

If illegals know they'll gain amnesty in the U.S., what's to stop more from coming in after the current crop is given a green card? If more and more illegals stream in, knowing they'll be handed permanent residency by the U.S. government, that'll only encourage them and more to do so, plus it'll end up costing us far more in the long run than it ever would to round up and deport them.

In addition, if it becomes standard practice to hand out green cards to illegals, what would be the incentive to go through immigration legally? To say you did that way? If you have the choice of getting your green card by choosing to pay lots of money, wait months or even a year and spend most of that time apart from your spouse... or come into the U.S. right away, spend very little money at all, and be with your spouse immediately, which one do you think people are going to choose?

The instance I mention is for the current cream of the crop here already...

It is obvious that taking the cheaper route in that regards will allow us to tighten the border intelligently, thereby reducing the future incoming side on our end.

Then its begged, as I've stated countless times here, that to put a cork in the problem for good you'd have to invest in changing the dynamics- the reasons, why people come here legally or illegally. There, my friend, is the goal we should be going for but unfortunately, many that oppose illegal immigration are completely unwilling in their isolationist glory to fathom preventing the problem from the root all the while sponsoring a system that directly and indirectly maintains a wealth and policy gap that disfavors citizens in the countries the illegals come from.