Vigilante Baker parents bashed daughter's tormentor

[The_Dude 1,142]

The ACLU is in queensland?

No marc, hence the "A" in ACLU.

[Peikko 1,575]

I never participated, however, I did watch and say nothing. Whereas, the kids who were the worst culprits, are now serving prison time for a range of other crimes.

I've seen a lot and was a trouble maker myself when I was young. Hence why I know what I am talking about, when it comes to getting tougher on crimes and not buying the excuses. Furthermore, it had almost zero to do with socioeconomics, since half the kids who behaved the worst and were the most violent, were not poor by any stretch.

Just because you had thuggish friends when you were a kid does not make you an expert on law and order.

[Ali G. 37]

Are you really trying to blame the ACLU for the reason why there is organized crime in the U.S.? For your information, it is rampant worldwide, not just the U.S.. The reason it is so prevalent here is because there is such a market for it. Plain and simple, we have too much ######, and too many willing to buy stolen ###### at a severely discounted rate. Additionally, we have a lot of people here, like most western nations who are willing to buy ###### to put up their noses. Most crime and organized crime revolves around drugs. The ACLU defends the peoples rights whether they are a criminal, or like the case in skokie illinois. If you don't like that people have those rights in this country, you are free to GTFO.

Fail! The fact is that police here have a hell of a lot harder job to do than they do in Australia. For example, since there is a problem with an increase in violence amongst the youth using knives, the state government has enacted laws allowing the police to randomly search anyone, without any probably cause, in various hotspots. Try have police do the same in South Central CA? Isn''t going to happen period, certainly not without being followed by 101 lawsuits.

Reality is that police abroad don't need to get 1,001 warrants, using courts that may have Judges in the books of organized crime, to do their job. It is also a reason why the police in places like the UK and Australia are much more effective at preventing terror related crimes than police are here. Doesn't take a genius to realize that police need the tools and support to tackle crime head-on.

[Ali G. 37]

Law and order hasn't 'failed us'. It fails some people some of the time, but society isn't falling apart. There are areas where things go wrong, when individuals are not prosecuted and punished for acts for which they should be duly processed. However, the answer to these failings is certainly not beating the ###### out of anyone towards whom you bear a grudge.

Newsflash, the intensity of violence and callousness of crime is increasing. Don't pull a pike on me and pretend that crime is the same now as it was in the 80's, as that is a lie.

Edited February 11, 2010 by Booyah

[Ban Hammer 14,677]

No marc, hence the "A" in ACLU.

a = australia?

[The_Dude 1,142]

Fail! The fact is that police here have a hell of a lot harder job to do than they do in Australia. For example, since there is a problem with an increase in violence amongst the youth using knives, the state government has enacted laws allowing the police to randomly search anyone, without any probably cause, in various hotspots. Try have police do the same in South Central CA? Isn''t going to happen period, certainly not without being followed by 101 lawsuits.

Reality is that police abroad don't need to get 1,001 warrants, using courts that may have Judges in the books of organized crime, to do their job. It is also a reason why the police in places like the UK and Australia are much more effective at preventing terror related crimes than police are here. Doesn't take a genius to realize that police need the tools and support to tackle crime head-on.

As per usual BY, you have no clue about what you are trying to discuss. The police here can very well search whomever they want if they suspect he or she has commited, or will commit a crime. It all falls under the giant umbrella that is probable cause. I would NEVER want to live in a place where the police could just search you for no rhyme or reason.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Are you really trying to blame the ACLU for the reason why there is organized crime in the U.S.? For your information, it is rampant worldwide, not just the U.S.. The reason it is so prevalent here is because there is such a market for it. Plain and simple, we have too much ######, and too many willing to buy stolen ###### at a severely discounted rate. Additionally, we have a lot of people here, like most western nations who are willing to buy ###### to put up their noses. Most crime and organized crime revolves around drugs. The ACLU defends the peoples rights whether they are a criminal, or like the case in skokie illinois. If you don't like that people have those rights in this country, you are free to GTFO.

thats a lot of ######## rob. having a bad day?

[Ali G. 37]

I have friends that are cops in Australia and friends that are cops here. The difference in what they can or cannot do is amazing. Guess which cops have less support or authority to do their job? Guess which country has pretty much the worst crime rate when compared to that of any other first world country? In particular homicides and organized crime.

Rob, you need to switch on Gangland, on the history channel, every now and then. Them I would like you to find the equivalent gangs in Australia. Yeah real awesome rights and freedom..

[The_Dude 1,142]

thats a lot of ######## rob. having a bad day?

The filters seem to be quite random. I've posted using that same word and it was unfiltered yesterday, but today is another story i suppose.

[Peikko 1,575]

Newsflash, the intensity of violence and callousness of crime is increasing. Don't pull a pike on me and pretend that crime is the same now as it was in the 80's, as that is a lie.

The statistics don't really back you up on that, despite the picture you are getting via the media, the number of crimes per 1000 of the population is in fact going down. It spiked in the late 90's as I understand it.

[Darnell 8,480]

This is how people should react. When the law fails to protect, due to disingenuous groups like the ACLU protecting the perpetrators rights, we need to take matters into our own hands.

ACLU in Australia? nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... izzit?

[Ban Hammer 14,677]

ACLU in Australia? nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo... izzit?

who else is gonna protect the poor kangaroo?

[The_Dude 1,142]

I have friends that are cops in Australia and friends that are cops here. The difference in what they can or cannot do is amazing. Guess which cops have less support or authority to do their job? Guess which country has pretty much the worst crime rate when compared to that of any other first world country? In particular homicides and organized crime.

Rob, you need to switch on Gangland, on the history channel, every now and then. Them I would like you to find the equivalent gangs in Australia. Yeah real awesome rights and freedom..

BY, I work for the police, remember? I can't say that I know anything about Oz cops, I can attest to what goes on with the ones here, and by here, I mean the department I work at. Police have broad latitude when it comes to searches, especially since 9/11. But that does not mean that they can just randomly go up to anyone and search them for no reason, that is insane and illogical. You have to have a reasonable belief that someone is going to, or has commited a crime. That seems quite broad, and a lot of people do wish to more narrowly define that, including the ACLU. But, as it is today, it is quite easy.

I do watch that show Gangland, a little too much The only gangs I've actually heard about in Aus. are biker gangs and immigrant gangs from PI, Vietnam, Cambodia. I don't have the time to research it more.

[Ali G. 37]

As per usual BY, you have no clue about what you are trying to discuss. The police here can very well search whomever they want if they suspect he or she has commited, or will commit a crime. It all falls under the giant umbrella that is probable cause. I would NEVER want to live in a place where the police could just search you for no rhyme or reason.

Rob Rob Rob. If the system was so good here, then why is it that no other first world country is trying to copy (implement) it? Not rocket science. If Australia was such a police state, why is it that so many people from First world countries are trying to move there? Furthermore, why would they be ranked second in the world to live in, as in quality of life; which factors all of that in. Liberal yanks like yourself and your idiotic view of freedom has failed, hence no one wanting to use it. Furthermore, it being the butt of jokes in first world countries; including Canada.

At least people there are free to carry on with their daily lives, without being a victim of crime or another stat for you to add to your spreadsheet. One turn down the wrong street in LA, down gang territory, can result in imminent death. Is that what you call freedom? Sorry, but there are no such places in Aus period. 'We the people' run the streets and have the freedom to literally live free of violence. As you said though, you prefer being able to talk ###### and call that freedom.

Edited February 11, 2010 by Booyah

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

a = australia?