Immigrants go home for holidays

[Jenn! 918]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

Illegal is not a matter of timing, it's a matter of law. If you flaunt the law, and illegals do that at every step of their lives here, then your morality is subject to question and those here legally have every right to comment on it.

Peejay and others who post articles about immigration in an immigration forum are doing the right thing. This is info we need to know inorder to act, not just kvetch. Illegal lovers, or the easily bored, who want to remain ignorant can choose not to read, and then not to kvetch themselves. The issue isn't going away and neither are those of us who have an abiding interest in it. Deal with it.

Ok, I'll take that as a "no" on the sensitivity.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Take it as "no" on oversensitivity. In this forum, we have the right to a viewpoint that's not always pc. For those who came here illegally or with the intent to become illegal in order to stay, there are consequences. If the worst of it is that they know that there are people here who think what they did is wrong, so be it. If they're legal now, they still got rewarded with what they wanted anyway, and that's part of the problem.

[natty bumppo 297]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

Edited December 23, 2007 by Natty Bumppo

[Jenn! 918]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

So it's a matter of promoting illegal activities, as opposed to actually having been illegal?

Take someone who had overstayed their visa and subsequently married a USC and was able to adjust status. What makes that person morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here? The difference in their situations is only circumstance. Who's to say that the overstayed married to the USC would have returned to their country had the opporunity to adjust status based on marriage not presented itself, i.e. done the right thing? In any case, I don't see how either of these people have either promoted or condemned illegal activities.

[natty bumppo 297]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

clarification ... emphasis on the phrase ... gone back ...

[natty bumppo 297]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

So it's a matter of promoting illegal activities, as opposed to actually having been illegal?

Take someone who had overstayed their visa and subsequently married a USC and was able to adjust status. What makes that person morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here? The difference in their situations is only circumstance. Who's to say that the overstayed married to the USC would have returned to their country had the opporunity to adjust status based on marriage not presented itself, i.e. done the right thing? In any case, I don't see how either of these people have either promoted or condemned illegal activities.

please see clarification ... emphasis on the gone back ... not stayed and adjusted (raises the question of a GC hunter)

Link to above post

[Jenn! 918]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

So it's a matter of promoting illegal activities, as opposed to actually having been illegal?

Take someone who had overstayed their visa and subsequently married a USC and was able to adjust status. What makes that person morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here? The difference in their situations is only circumstance. Who's to say that the overstayed married to the USC would have returned to their country had the opporunity to adjust status based on marriage not presented itself, i.e. done the right thing? In any case, I don't see how either of these people have either promoted or condemned illegal activities.

please see clarification ... emphasis on the gone back ... not stayed and adjusted (raises the question of a GC hunter)

Link to above post

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

[athena_ny 1]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

[athena_ny 1]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

I don't wonder. My husband was illegal, and he doesn't feel any bitterness to people who are illegal and continue to be so. We don't ask about immigration status before we enter someone's house. He'd probably more supportive of them than I am of amnesty.

And he never had to "go back" anywhere.

[PlatyPius 5]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

I don't wonder. My husband was illegal, and he doesn't feel any bitterness to people who are illegal and continue to be so. We don't ask about immigration status before we enter someone's house. He'd probably more supportive of them than I am of amnesty.

And he never had to "go back" anywhere.

*waits for the cries of "enabler!!!1" and such....*

[Sofiyya 1,687]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

I don't wonder. My husband was illegal, and he doesn't feel any bitterness to people who are illegal and continue to be so. We don't ask about immigration status before we enter someone's house. He'd probably more supportive of them than I am of amnesty.

And he never had to "go back" anywhere.

Illegals are the ones with questionable moral values. I wouldn't advise anyone to brag about having been illegal. And marrying to change out of illegal is also highly questionable. Not pc, but needs to be said.

[athena_ny 1]

We have quite a few members that did not have legal status at some point in their lives. It's one thing to discuss policy, but around here there is a whole lot of actual hatred for people who have been here illegally, accusations of moral bankruptcy and all. I don't think it's asking too much to tone it down a bit, for sensitivity's sake.

The difference between someone who has done the "right thing" and someone who has not may just be a matter of timing.

If someone has gone back and done the "right thing" that is a good thing.

For those people who want to promote a shortcut or shortcut the path that ... the legal people have done or those who went back and did the "right thing" and became legal ... those people are the problem.

Wonder what a person who has made the effort to become legal feels, when others continue to promote illegal activities as a "correct way" to immigration. Don't you?

I don't wonder. My husband was illegal, and he doesn't feel any bitterness to people who are illegal and continue to be so. We don't ask about immigration status before we enter someone's house. He'd probably more supportive of them than I am of amnesty.

And he never had to "go back" anywhere.

Illegals are the ones with questionable moral values. I wouldn't advise anyone to brag about having been illegal. And marrying to change out of illegal is also highly questionable. Not pc, but needs to be said.

Except...that's not why we got married!

And it's not bragging, but telling the truth. You don't know his personal situation and why he stayed here, but I'll say it and say it again: when your father falls off the 3rd story of a roof and you have a legal mess to clean up and you can't if you leave the country, come talk to me about it.

Boy had been offered marriage for papers many times before he met me...contrary to what all you think, not everyone thinks American is a land of golden streets where THEY MUST STAY. He did not want to stay here, but did because of me. And if I'm going to have a quality life, my husband is going to be legal.

You have no right to be assessing the moral values of people you don't even know. 99% of the illegals I know have higher moral values than the US Citizens I know.

[eric&gen 0]

YAWNS

[natty bumppo 297]

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

there is legal and there is illegal. Live in peace ... or live in fear of being arrested and deported.

morally superior ?

wow ... illegal ... ever wonder how many laws are they breaking just being here ?? (by living ... working ... probably using fraudulent/ stolen ID ... the list can be quite long).

About your hatred comment ... how do know people hate?

Ever consider people are just tired of illegals and just want them to go home because they are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue.

[athena_ny 1]

Ok, then I'll revise. What makes the person who went back and did things the legal way because they knew there was a legal avenue available to them (eg. marriage) morally superior to the person who currently has no legal status here and has no legal avenue for a visa? Who's to say that the person who went back would not have stayed if he had not had an opportunity for a lega visa? The difference in their situations is circumstantial.

there is legal and there is illegal. Live in peace ... or live in fear of being arrested and deported.

morally superior ?

wow ... illegal ... ever wonder how many laws are they breaking just being here ?? (by living ... working ... probably using fraudulent/ stolen ID ... the list can be quite long).

About your hatred comment ... how do know people hate?

Ever consider people are just tired of illegals and just want them to go home because they are tired of paying for them and watching the corruption continue.

Then go talk to the government that won't do anything about it because they continue to allow businesses to hire them and stay here - but oh wait, they won't. The economy is bad enough as it is, they aren't going to do something to lose a good percentage of the CHEAP work force.