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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Canada
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I think the topic title pretty well says it all.

I've read conflicting information, both elsewhere on the net and here on VJ. On one hand, it would seem obvious that it's okay. On the other hand, it's suggested that legally I can't work while visiting the US during a pending AOS or CR-1 application, even if it's via laptop for Canadian clients (I'm a web programmer).

Whether I go AOS, I go CR-1 and tell them when I was in the US visiting, (my preference is to be here in the US with my wife as much as possible), I will have to explain to them how I made my money while here. Thus this is a significant question.

Any info appreciated.

Much respect,

Simmy

Feb 2010 - met online

March 2010 - vacationed in Mexico together

April 2010 - Samuel visits Catherine in US for one month

July to December 15, 2010- Samuel visits Catherine in US via B2 visa

August 10, 2010 - married in Medford, OR

September 10, 2010 - submitted AOS application via USPS Priority

September 13, 2010 - AOS package marked as delivered by USPS

September 20, 2010 - electronic notification received from Chicago lockbox

October 20, 2010 - biometrics appointment in Portland, OR

November 15, 2010 - Advanced Parole approved (took 66 days)

December 15, 2010 - January 18 -- Samuel and Catherine visit Samuel's friends in Canada

January 19, 2011 - AOS interview in Portland, OR -- interviewer gives verbal notice of approval (4 months since AOS submission)

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As from the other thread, my lawyer says NO. Under NO circumstances am I to work until I get legal status here. While I was here visiting, it was the same thing. I explained to her my scheme to do online accounting for some Canadian businesses, and she veto'd it. I am hoping Jim or someone can chime in with an actual case law link.

Post on Adjudicators's Field Manual re: AOS and Intent: My link
Wedding Date: 06/14/2009
POE at Pearson Airport - for a visit, did not intend to stay - 10/09/2009
Found VisaJourney and created an account - 10/19/2009

I-130 (approved as part of the CR-1 process):
Sent 10/01/2009
NOA1 10/07/2009
NOA2 02/10/2010

AOS:
NOA 05/14/2010
Interview - approved! 07/29/10 need to send in completed I-693 (doctor missed answering a couple of questions) - sent back same day
Green card received 08/20/10

ROC:
Sent 06/01/2012
Approved 02/27/2013

Green card received 05/08/2013

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I've been working since the day I got here and I haven't had any problems. I even called the department of state about it and they said it wouldn't be a problem.

12/31/2009 - Marriage

07/21/2010 - AOS approved

08/04/2010 - Green Card received (and it's actually green!)

05/30/2012 - Sent ROC packet to VSC

06/08/2012 - Received NOA1 for ROC (Dated 06/04/2012)

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I've been working since the day I got here and I haven't had any problems. I even called the department of state about it and they said it wouldn't be a problem.

On a K-1 visa, correct? Not a B-2 visitor visa?

Sorry, Peachey, forgot to ask also - you are working for a Cdn company?

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Post on Adjudicators's Field Manual re: AOS and Intent: My link
Wedding Date: 06/14/2009
POE at Pearson Airport - for a visit, did not intend to stay - 10/09/2009
Found VisaJourney and created an account - 10/19/2009

I-130 (approved as part of the CR-1 process):
Sent 10/01/2009
NOA1 10/07/2009
NOA2 02/10/2010

AOS:
NOA 05/14/2010
Interview - approved! 07/29/10 need to send in completed I-693 (doctor missed answering a couple of questions) - sent back same day
Green card received 08/20/10

ROC:
Sent 06/01/2012
Approved 02/27/2013

Green card received 05/08/2013

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Yeah sorry, I guess it was a K-1 for a Canadian company. I'm not sure what the OP has. I guess I didn't completely understand what he was saying.

DOS said they didn't have a problem with it, mainly because my money stayed in Canada.

12/31/2009 - Marriage

07/21/2010 - AOS approved

08/04/2010 - Green Card received (and it's actually green!)

05/30/2012 - Sent ROC packet to VSC

06/08/2012 - Received NOA1 for ROC (Dated 06/04/2012)

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Yeah sorry, I guess it was a K-1 for a Canadian company. I'm not sure what the OP has. I guess I didn't completely understand what he was saying.

DOS said they didn't have a problem with it, mainly because my money stayed in Canada.

It still might apply...I dunno. My lawyer, while I vent about her, has never actually been wrong about anything, she just wasn't totally up to date on all requirements re: Canada. But, she still could be wrong, for sure. I can't find any case law online because I don't really know where to look.

Post on Adjudicators's Field Manual re: AOS and Intent: My link
Wedding Date: 06/14/2009
POE at Pearson Airport - for a visit, did not intend to stay - 10/09/2009
Found VisaJourney and created an account - 10/19/2009

I-130 (approved as part of the CR-1 process):
Sent 10/01/2009
NOA1 10/07/2009
NOA2 02/10/2010

AOS:
NOA 05/14/2010
Interview - approved! 07/29/10 need to send in completed I-693 (doctor missed answering a couple of questions) - sent back same day
Green card received 08/20/10

ROC:
Sent 06/01/2012
Approved 02/27/2013

Green card received 05/08/2013

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Canada
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Peachey I'm here as a visitor, ie. no visa, just crossed the border, and considering the AOS process as well as the CR-1 process.

Interesting that they said it's fine if your money stays in Canada. My argument would be that I'm using the money I make to support myself for the 3 months that I'm here. So definitely not staying in Canada. But did your money really stay in Canada? It's as simple as going to a bank machine to withdraw it. Weren't they concerned about that?

Feb 2010 - met online

March 2010 - vacationed in Mexico together

April 2010 - Samuel visits Catherine in US for one month

July to December 15, 2010- Samuel visits Catherine in US via B2 visa

August 10, 2010 - married in Medford, OR

September 10, 2010 - submitted AOS application via USPS Priority

September 13, 2010 - AOS package marked as delivered by USPS

September 20, 2010 - electronic notification received from Chicago lockbox

October 20, 2010 - biometrics appointment in Portland, OR

November 15, 2010 - Advanced Parole approved (took 66 days)

December 15, 2010 - January 18 -- Samuel and Catherine visit Samuel's friends in Canada

January 19, 2011 - AOS interview in Portland, OR -- interviewer gives verbal notice of approval (4 months since AOS submission)

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Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Canada
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One should enter the USA as a visitor already with enough $$$,so that isn't a valid reason.

I know a few other cdns while on a K1/k3 have continued to work online for a cdn company. It is prob 1 of those grey areas!!

Canadians Visiting the USA while undergoing the visa process, my free advice:

1) Always tell the TRUTH. never lie to the POE officer

2) Be confident in ur replies

3) keep ur response short and to the point, don't tell ur life story!!

4) look the POE officer in the eye when speaking to them. They are looking for people lieing and have been trained to find them!

5) Pack light! No job resumes with you

6) Bring ties to Canada (letter from employer when ur expected back at work, lease, etc etc)

7) Always be polite, being rude isn't going to get ya anywhere, and could make things worse!!

8) Have a plan in case u do get denied (be polite) It wont harm ur visa application if ur denied,that is if ur polite and didn't lie! Refer to #1

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Filed: Country: Canada
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This is just me playing Devil's Advocate, so please, no yelling or name calling.

I have been told that without an SSN or ITIN, it's very hard for USCIS and even IRS to figure out if you've worked or not.

Again, I'm just saying. I am NOT advocating this and I am aware that no one should even think of advocating this as an option. I am just mentioning it because it does apply.

Adjustment of Status

11/03/10 ------- AoS (I-130/I-485) Package mailed out (Priority Mail)

11/07/10 ------- AoS Package received and singed for

11/10/10 ------- NOA1 received for I-130, I-485 and I-765 (emails)

11/12/10 ------- NOA1 received for I-130, I-485 and I-765 (hard copies)

11/12/10 ------- Touches on I-130, I-485 and I-765

11/19/10 ------- Biometrics appointment letter received

12/06/10 ------- RFE for I-693 (I think the issue is that it was not signed. Called USCIS and will receive a letter in a few days explaining)

12/13/10 ------- Biometrics done

12/16/10 ------- EAD card in production (email)

12/20/10 ------- Received "Letter of Explanation" for RFE (Service Request to expedite my case. Called USCIS and was told to ignore that and just send in response to RFE.)

12/22/10 ------- Touch (Email for Post Decision Activity on EAD saying that a letter of approval has been mailed out)

12/24/10 ------- Received EAD in the mail

12/27/10 ------- Applied for SSN

12/31/10 ------- Received Interview letter

01/03/11 ------- Received SSN card in the mail

01/07/11 ------- Mailed out response to RFE (I-693)

01/15/11 ------- Email confirming USCIS received RFE response

01/31/11 ------- Approved!

Pre-Adjustment of Status:

2006 -------- Met Online

02/07 ------- Visited him in the U.S. for what was suppose to be a few weeks (Came in with birth certificate and health card. Health card expired a few months after)

08/07 ------- Decided to get married because we didn't want to be apart (in the U.S.)

10/10 ------- USCIS Medical Done

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Peachey I'm here as a visitor, ie. no visa, just crossed the border, and considering the AOS process as well as the CR-1 process.

Interesting that they said it's fine if your money stays in Canada. My argument would be that I'm using the money I make to support myself for the 3 months that I'm here. So definitely not staying in Canada. But did your money really stay in Canada? It's as simple as going to a bank machine to withdraw it. Weren't they concerned about that?

Actually my money did stay in Canada because I'm using it to pay off my students loans (which still come out of my Canadian bank account) and I use it when I go for visits.

12/31/2009 - Marriage

07/21/2010 - AOS approved

08/04/2010 - Green Card received (and it's actually green!)

05/30/2012 - Sent ROC packet to VSC

06/08/2012 - Received NOA1 for ROC (Dated 06/04/2012)

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Canada
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Please be nice!

Feb 2010 - met online

March 2010 - vacationed in Mexico together

April 2010 - Samuel visits Catherine in US for one month

July to December 15, 2010- Samuel visits Catherine in US via B2 visa

August 10, 2010 - married in Medford, OR

September 10, 2010 - submitted AOS application via USPS Priority

September 13, 2010 - AOS package marked as delivered by USPS

September 20, 2010 - electronic notification received from Chicago lockbox

October 20, 2010 - biometrics appointment in Portland, OR

November 15, 2010 - Advanced Parole approved (took 66 days)

December 15, 2010 - January 18 -- Samuel and Catherine visit Samuel's friends in Canada

January 19, 2011 - AOS interview in Portland, OR -- interviewer gives verbal notice of approval (4 months since AOS submission)

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Brazil
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one personal attack removed. please discuss the topic without the personal swipes.

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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Canada
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I don't really see how being here on a K-1 vs being here on a visitors visa would make any difference in this regard. In either case you don't have authorization to be employed in the US. Personally, I trust Peachey's advice on this one since she actually called DOS and was specifically told it is fine. Where the money goes may be an interesting distinction, I'm not sure. With that said, there have been many K-1 Canadians who have continued to work remotely for their Canadian employers and as far as I know, nobody has been reprimanded in anyway for doing this. I seriously doubt all of these people left 100% of their earnings in Canada.

Simmy, if I were you I would maybe try calling the Department of State to get an opinion on the matter. It may give you some peace of mind!

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Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Canada
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I personally can't see how it would be a problem. How many times has one visited the US and withdrew money from a bank machine? Why would it matter when the money was deposited into that account in Canada? You are not allowed to work in the US for a US company and take away a job from a citizen or LPR. Thats why the law is in place. Not to prevent people from visiting and working for their Canadian employer remotely. That would kind of end a lot of business trips.

K-1 Journey

04/30/2009 - I-129F sent to VSC

03/30/2010 - Interview @ MTL APPROVED!

04/13/2010 - POE @ Pearson International

05/23/2010 - WEDDING

AOS Journey

07/20/2010 - AOS/AP/EAD Sent

07/21/2010 - package received at Chicago

07/28/2010 - check cashed

07/30/2010 - received NOA1 in mail

08/01/2010 - received biometrics letter

08/20/2010 - walk in biometrics completed

08/23/2010 - finally entered into USCIS online -AP's touched on Aug11 and EAD and AOS touched on Aug20 08/30/2010 - AOS/EAD touched

09/09/2010 - AP approved (email notice)

09/13/2010 - Received email that EAD was approved on Sept 10

10/04/2010 - Received interview letter in Mail

11/09/2010 - Interview-APPROVED! 112 days

11/09/2010 - Card Production 11/22/2010 - Green Card received

ROC Journey

08/11/2012 - Eligible to file for ROC10/11/2012 - sent in I-751 (late)10/16/2012 - received NOA 11/20/2012 - biometrics

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