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On form I-130 section C and question 19 ask for address of my relative.

Do I use a PO Box address or a residence address?

If I use house address and they mail forms to her I'm afraid it'll get missing. I want to make sure it's ok to use PO Box address for both.

Can you locate your mouse on the picture, then right click and do a "save as"? If this works, you will now have the picture as a separate document.

all the information in the header area of the email is there. the printout shows an email address from me to her email address and it also shows the file names for the images attached except you can't see images on the print outs.

Will this be a problem??

When I click on messages that were sent with pictures attached, in hotmail, the pictures open in the window below when you select the message. But when I print the messages, it doesn't print the pictures with it.

Question is, if I received email messages from my fiancee with pictures attached, is it ok to just print the messages showing the header line information and all the files that well attached although the actual pictures don't show up in the print?

This is for the embassy as part of proof of relationship.

Did you visit her in 2008? Or was Jan '09 the first time?

They want concert evidence of your visit - even if you included with the initial application. Get your boarding passes, hotel receipts, ATM receipts, photos together, everything.

They are NOT asking for specific 2008 emails - they want proof of an on-going relationship. Sounds like you have more to provide for 2009.

You also said you knew each other 10 years ago??? Do you have any proof of that?

Good Luck!!!

Yes, I visited my fiancee in 2008 prior to starting the K1 application process. Initially, all I knew was that you must have seen each other prior to starting the application. So, we only talked and talked on the phone all the time. No chat messages, letters, cards, from 2008. We do have emails though, of pictures we exchanged. But when I print these emails, it only shows the file attached to the email. the pictures themselves don't show up on the print. I'm not sure if that'll be a problem.

We started writing letters, cards, etc. in 2009.

Also I've been in the states for about 13yrs now. My fiancee and I grew up together in the same neighborhood. We were not dating back then. That's what I mean by knowing each other 10yrs ago. We only started our relationship april 2008 when I called her.

How do I get these sworn affidavits?

Brother Anh has provided you an outstanding idea. Try it this way: Ask family and friends to write one-page statements to attest to the validity of the relationship during the time period in question (and through the present). Simply remind them of the correct spelling of your SO's name, and give them the sense of what you're trying to accomplish, but beyond that, their sincere, truthful words can be their own.

The letter should be addressed to "U.S. Embassy - Accra, Ghana" (or the precisely correct information). Ask each person to type or print out the letter on their personal letterhead (including their complete contact information -- this is crucial!), and to take it to a notary public, in front of whom they'll sign it. (Most banks have a notary who will do this at no charge for bank customers; if not, the fee is reasonable.) If someone cannot get his letter notarized, that's OK; just get hard-copy, signed letters.

Get as many letters as you can from YOUR people -- I had 13 or 15 from mine (for other reasons). It really helps if one or more is ex-military or a minister. A maximum of 3 or 4 from your SO's people will be more than enough (too many from them can actually be counterproductive); their language should be extremely formal and factual, and definitely be notarized or appostilled or whatever is the customary certification in Ghana.

Collecting and presenting these letters could turn the tide for you, as they did for me. Also, I 100% recommend that you be on the premises for the interview -- if you're not allowed IN the actual interview, you can have your SO show your passport to the CO. In my instance, I was ordered to appear at my consulate (for a surprise Stokes interview), but if you are there voluntarily, it will score more positive points than you can imagine.

You can do this, si man!

This is a really good idea. I really appreciate it!

I'll on the premises for her next appointment.

Does it have to be on a letterhead? Most of my friends don't have personal letterheads.

thanks for your help.

Just a thought: Lacking any other evidence to show perhaps you can get some sworn affidavits from family and/or friends that can attest to the fact that you two were speaking frequently by phone during that time period.

Thanks for the thought. I think it's a good idea. At this point I'm willing to pull or do anything to prove to them that we have a legitimate relationship.

How do I get these sworn affidavits? Should I ask my friends/relatives to go to court and swear to this affidavit before a judge or it's something I write for them to sign?

Thanks for your input.

We provided, roughtly, two emails, and chat messages from each month, january through July. we provided, I think two or three snail mails ( I'm not sure on that, but definitely, more than one) and I think two cards too.

On the list of "Requested Documents", they checked the box that reads:

" We need further evidence of the relationship".

(i)additional proof of a relationship over time.

additional phone records, emails, instant messages, cards, letters

(ii) Proof of petitioner's trip to Ghana in 2008.

( I thought they'll look in the original documents sent to them from NVC for this proof. copies of boarding passes, passport with stamps were all in there)

First off take a deep breath and READ what they wrote:

They are looking for more evidence, it sounds like you only provided a sample of evidence, not all of it. If you did not have more then you might have a problem.

Second they are looking for the proof of your trip, when we filed, I had to re-include all that information when I sent the packet into the embassy, along with having her bring it into the embassy with her. I don't think they really look at the information that NVC sends, mainly because they are looking for different information then what is included when you file.

No where does it say please include more evidence of relationship for 2008, just show proof of your trip.

ya, I'm really taking a deep breath too. My only concern is that, when my fiancee and I started our relationship in april 2008, initially, we did not write letters or cards to each other, because it had been over 10yrs since we've heard from or seen other, we were on the phone almost everyday, from april 2008 to november 2008 and all have to proof that is the invoice I printed showing purchases from april 2008 through some first week of jan 2009. She didn't know much about computers either so there was no instant messaging either. But through her brother's help we managed to exchanged some pictures quite a bit. nothing much said in the email but at least it shows "from" my address "to" her address.

So if they're looking for letters, cards, chat messages, from 2008, I absolutely don't have it and that's just got me very very concerned. Sigh.

Regardless, we're still gathering more letters, chat messages, cards, etc. till she goes back in December. Wish me luck folks. I really need it.

You can take the phone cards with you...n lots of them.

ya, I use to buy cards from www.ctacard.com. I printed records of all cards I purchased from them, from april 2008 when we started our communication.

I hope that helps.

So after the embassy told my fiancee to come back with more evidence, they gave back her passport, police certificate, x-ray.

But they kept her original birth certificate?

Does anybody know why they kept that? will she ever get it back?

My husband gave the embassy over 300 pages of emails im and texts. 2 or 3 is not going to cut it. You need to give them pictures anything you can think of. Load them with everything you have, more is better. I flew to Ghana 2 months ago and they will not help you. If you go to the interview they will not let you in the room with him. I would contact your senator, it can not hurt! I am in MD and have contacted mine as they set a k3 interview for my husband in January so I am now pursueing the CR1 and the senators office is trying to make sure the cr1 interview will take the k3 and it don't get held up another year or to nothing is gaurenteed. I hope you have more emails and lots of pictures. Best of luck. I know they are mean as hell from first experience.

Thanks!

I'm only concerned about their request for 2008 chat messages, letters, etc. which we don't have. When we started our relationship, I didn't know much about this petition thing. So from april 2008 through late November 2008, our main means of communication was calling each other. that's all. perhaps one or two times that we sent pictures to each other. So, only evidence we have from 2008 are records of the phone cards I purchased.

We can provide them with more 2009 evidence for her second interview. But not so much about 2008. That's what I'm worried about.

They also said they want "proof of petitioner's trip to Ghana in 2008"

I'm curious. Do local embassies look into the original petition that NVC sends to them? Because, that petition clearly contains proof of my trip to Ghana.

My husband gave the embassy over 300 pages of emails im and texts. 2 or 3 is not going to cut it. You need to give them pictures anything you can think of. Load them with everything you have, more is better. I flew to Ghana 2 months ago and they will not help you. If you go to the interview they will not let you in the room with him. I would contact your senator, it can not hurt! I am in MD and have contacted mine as they set a k3 interview for my husband in January so I am now pursueing the CR1 and the senators office is trying to make sure the cr1 interview will take the k3 and it don't get held up another year or to nothing is gaurenteed. I hope you have more emails and lots of pictures. Best of luck. I know they are mean as hell from first experience.

Thanks!

I'm only concerned about their request for 2008 chat messages, letters, etc. which we don't have. When we started our relationship, I didn't know much about this petition thing. So from april 2008 through late November 2008, our main means of communication was calling each other. that's all. perhaps one or two times that we sent pictures to each other. So, only evidence we have from 2008 are records of the phone cards I purchased.

We can provide them with more 2009 evidence for her second interview. But not so much about 2008. That's what I'm worried about.

They also said they want "proof of petitioner's trip to Ghana in 2008"

I'm curious. Do local embassies look into the original petition that NVC sends to them? Because, that petition clearly contains proof of my trip to Ghana.

Can I go with her to the interview as proof though?

....I'm just not sure how I can get that 2008 chat messages I don't have to them. sigh

OK...let's back up and start from the beginning.

What (EXACTLY) does the notice from the Embassy/Consulate say? (Exactly - not what you think it means...)

On the list of "Requested Documents", they checked the box that reads:

" We need further evidence of the relationship".

(i)additional proof of a relationship over time.

additional phone records, emails, instant messages, cards, letters

(ii) Proof of petitioner's trip to Ghana in 2008.

( I thought they'll look in the original documents sent to them from NVC for this proof. copies of boarding passes, passport with stamps were all in there)

so this is all it saids on the white paper they gave her.

any take on that?

What If go with her to the second interview. Will that be enough proof?

....I'm just not sure how I can get that 2008 chat messages I don't have to them. sigh

OK...let's back up and start from the beginning.

What (EXACTLY) does the notice from the Embassy/Consulate say? (Exactly - not what you think it means...)

I've asked her to scan and email me a copy of the paper. I'll let you know soon as I get it.

I thought showing copies of my boarding pass, and passport copies with stamps, which I provided with the initial petition was enough to show that I was in ghana.

Satisfying USCIS is one thing, satisfying the Embassy/Consulate is often quite another.

This is a critical stage (a make or break situation) so you need to be exact and prudent in how you guys respond. I would start by gathering every piece/scrap of evidence you can - pile them on your desk and begin evaluating them. Ask your fiancé to do the same and together, put together as much evidence as you can.

As for the senator's office - am not sure how they could assist at this time - they will very likely simply get the same response as you have "we're waiting for evidence." Not much they could respond to with that. Both Senators will have staff members who deal with this type of thing so chose either one.

If you haven't already, check out the Embassy Info section for Ghana Reviews to perhaps get some inside tips.

Will attending her next interview with her work? maybe? 'Cos like I said, we have provided everything we have. they said most of our evidence are from 2009 and they want some 2008. When we started talking april 2008, most of our conversations were on the phone. She doesn't have easy access to computers so talked more on the phone till after my visit. so we started chating and emaill beginning jan. 2009. I did write one or two letters to her in 2008. The letter made to the country but she never got it. they dropped the letter in the wrong box at the post office in ghana. Yes, the postal system in ghana is that bad. I'm just not sure how I can get that 2008 chat messages I don't have to them. sigh

I agree, respond first to the request before getting them involved.

The thing is, We have given them everything we have possibly gathered since we started talking april 2008. All photos we provided. all chat messages, emails, phone records, have been provided. We really don't have any 2008 evidence that we haven't already provided to them. that's what I'm worried about.

so what is the problem? that you do not have anymore proof of relationships for show?

or that, it costs too much money and you cannot send?

email/fax/gifts also count. phonebills also work. send each other SMS and ask your finance to show the phone with SMSs.

I don't have a problem providing them with more 2009 evidence. We have already given them everything we have, photos, chat messages, emails etc. They want her to come back in Dec. I'm sure we can gather some evidence til then.

But our 2008 evidence is just phone records that we talked to each other everyday. No snail mails, chat messages, etc. We started talking april 2008 so our phone records shows just that, nothing before april.

Besides, it takes so long to get even one snail mail to ghana. it cost about $34 to send one letter via express. I'm not sure how many letters and cards per month they are looking for. But if I have to send at least two letters and cards via express each month for about four months, at $34 each. Wow.

So you think it's too early to get my senator involved here?

So, my fiancee had her interview this morning. She answered all questions correctly but now they want more emails, snail mails, cards, chat messages, and proof of when I was in ghana.

I thought showing copies of my boarding pass, and passport copies with stamps, which I provided with the initial petition was enough to show that I was in ghana.

When my fiancee and I started talking in april 2008. We spent more time on the phone than sending emails and chat messages. It was after I visited her and came back to the States in January '09, that's when we started more emails and chat messages. But now they want evidence from 2008, damn it.

We provided, roughtly, two emails, and chat messages from each month, january through July. we provided, I think two or three snail mails ( I'm not sure on that, but definitely, more than one) and I think two cards too.

It takes so long to even get one letter to Ghana via UPS first class. So we couldn't speed up the snail mail process as fast as we wanted to. It cost too much to mail one snail mail via express too.

You'll think, the embassy, will consider all that, but I guess not.

So now they want her to come back with more evidence. What should I do folks?

Should I get Minnesota senator involved? But who is best at dealing with immigration issues?

Franklin's office or Amy klobuchar's office?

I need your advice, please.

And, please, what should I tell the Senator's office when I call. thanks for your help.

So, my fiancee had her interview this morning. She answered all questions correctly but now they want more emails, snail mails, cards, chat messages, and proof of when I was in ghana.

I thought showing copies of my boarding pass, and passport copies with stamps, which I provided with the initial petition was enough to show that I was in ghana.

When my fiancee and I started talking in april 2008. We spent more time on the phone than sending emails and chat messages. It was after I visited her and came back to the States in January '09, that's when we started more emails and chat messages. But now they want evidence from 2008, damn it.

We provided, roughtly, two emails, and chat messages from each month, january through July. we provided, I think two or three snail mails ( I'm not sure on that, but definitely, more than one) and I think two cards too.

It takes so long to even get one letter to Ghana via UPS first class. So we couldn't speed up the snail mail process as fast as we wanted to. It cost too much to mail one snail mail via express too.

You'll think, the embassy, will consider all that, but I guess not.

So now they want her to come back with more evidence. What should I do folks?

Should I get Minnesota senator involved? But who is best at dealing with immigration issues?

Franklin's office or Amy klobuchar's office?

I need your advice, please.

You should have responded to the ad and surprised him in the hotel room.

haha, Good one! I love that! He'll have no defense for that one. And get folks from that show "cheaters" to go with you so they can get things on camera. yup!

So, I've sent all chat messages, emails, phone records up till the end of July. Fiancee's interview is the 17th of this month. Do I have to send her phone records and emails for the first two weeks of August to show that we're still communicating?

It'll take about four days via USPS Express and it's quite expensive just to mail about three pages of phone records. Are we ok with just records from January to July?

You should be good with what you have sent. The consulate understands there is a lag in mail and will surely not need a few weeks extra.

Thanks!!

So, I've sent all chat messages, emails, phone records up till the end of July. Fiancee's interview is the 17th of this month. Do I have to send her phone records and emails for the first two weeks of August to show that we're still communicating?

It'll take about four days via USPS Express and it's quite expensive just to mail about three pages of phone records. Are we ok with just records from January to July?

Ok, so I worked so diligently (so I thought) on preparing all of my paperwork checking all signatures, emailing additional documents to my fiance, prepared for the interview questions, etc. Today was my fiance's interview - everything was perfect except I left out the 2008 return - I included the tax statement even provided last 6 months of check stubs, 2006 returns, 2007 returns, bank statements, 401k statements, etc. I could have just kicked myself in the .... especially considering how busy the Ghana embassy is and how far out they give you a second interview - looks like most have had to wait another 4 months if they needed to come back.

Good news is that Ibrahim's interview went well. all other paperwork was fine, and they told him to just bring the tax return on October 5th - they said that was all he needed.

So, the news is kind of mixed, but, mostly great. We are looking forward to his "coming to America" in October! We both agreed that it was a bizarre oversight but, we don't always know what God's plan is and who else is involved in a plan that we think is just about us. We are feeling good and beyond confident that we are coming to the end of this leg of the journey. For those curious about the intervew - here are the questions that he was asked:

How did you and your fiance meet?

Why did she come to Ghana?

Was the person who recommended she come to Ghana a Ghanaian?

Why do you address each other as husband and wife in some of your documents? (He told them that we consider ourselves as a couple and our families recognize us as such - no problem with the answer)

How children does she have and what are their ages?

What arrangements have been made for the wedding?

How many brothers does your fiance have?

At the end of the interview they told him that all he needed to provide is the 2008 return (dagnabit ) gave him a form indicating what he needed to bring back. The form included the date and time of his return visit. We are happy!

Congratulations!!! not a bad news at all

Which form? THis is nothing that you have submitted already?

My fiancee recently picked up his packets but made mistake with filling the forms. Instead of filling the forms with his old address(the one i used for everything) he used his new address. He just moved from Accra to Kumasi. My problem is that in case we are put in AP(God for bid) and they do field investigation at Kumasi, no one really know me there so it might be difficult to get the information they need and might affect us. Does any one know if you can ask for another forms? I'm trying to aviod the whole address change. It could slow down things as well. Any help will be appreciated.

She meant the forms in the packets when you pick them up from the embassy. DS 156, DS 156k, DS 230 etc.

I am reading "What to send to your fiance(e) once the I-129F is approved (Receive NOA2):" on K-1 guide http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...mp;page=k1guide

I wonder why "A copy of the entire I-129f package" is needed. Does the consulate require that? Shouldn't they already have a copy?

It probably is NOT needed. Go with that. DON'T send it because governement agencies alomost never lose anything, especially when sent to 3 different branches all over the world.

If your fiancee needs some part of it because some part of it got lost by the government then you will be happy becuase you did not spend a few minutes at the copier or the extra postage. And you will be happy because your visa gets delayed for several more weeks while you get the requested information to the consulate. But government agencies rarely lose anything, so don't worry about that. In this process, if the government make a mistake...it is YOUR problem. NEVER ofrget that. They will NOT say "Oh, we lost it, never mind, you don't need it then" NO. They will say "We lost it, we need another copy. We we hold your visa until we get it" There is an entire forum called the "221g" forum about this, but no one posts there because the government never loses anything.

First I would say YOU should hand carry a copy of the whole thing there to the interview rather than send your fiancee into a scary foreign consulate herself to complete a process you are supposedly doing "together". Absent the courtesy of actually being there, NO ONE should ever go to any interview without a copy of every piece of paper ever sent to the USCIS or the consulate. Same applies to the AOS interview later. Going to the interview without it is a fool's errand.

If she doesn't need it, she will take it right back out with her. She will have your visa and you will be smiling.

OK, SO WHAT'S WITH THE SARCASM??

I-134 is for the I-129

I-864 is for the I-130

you dont need both

I know, but there's been cases where a one vjer's fiance showed up for interview with I-134 and the embassy asked for I-864 instead. And this was a k1 petition. So I figured I'll fill out both forms and let the embassy pick whichever one they need.

Listed below are the documents I'm sending to my fiancee for her interview. Please, double check with me and let me know if I'm missing anything or if anything needs to be added. Thanks!!

DS230 ( PART I &II)

DS 156K

DS 156 ( two copies, in duplicate, I guess that's what they want)

DS 157

DS 158

copies of my ( petitioner's) passport, birth certificate, citizenship certificate

Both I-134 and 864 filled out. both with notorized version and un-notorized version. I'll let the embassy pick which ones they need.

All evidence of ongoing relationship will be mailed to her too. ( emails, chat logs, snail mails, pictures we took together when I visited her etc.)

She already has copies of the I-129f.

She'll add her passport, birth certificate and other evidence to these too.

Anything missing from this list???