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1 minute ago, arken said:

If she dies before seeing her grandchildren, I would say her daughter needs to be blamed first for not taking them to her before blaming US immigration system for not allowing her to visit US. 

 

 

Prob a visit in Canada or Acapulco this year. But what I mean by the comment is the US government is saying "you'll be dead before we allow you to step on US soil". I mean we can apply and apply and apply but if having a house in Mexico and all family in Mexico (with exception of 1 daughter) is not good enough then nothing can overturn the verdict because nothing can change. She's 65-70 and not going to be getting a high-paying job, starting a business, or popping out kids anytime soon! So surely reapplying would be a waste of time.

8 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

You make a lot of assumptions, and it seems that you counter everything the experienced members of VJ have to say about this situation.

 

All you can do is to have her reapply or pursue the Canada ETA, and let us know how it goes.

I agree with them --- she's screwed and will be dead before allowed to visit her grandchildren. 

Reading further into it for the 1st time, they want "strong" ties to home country which include "additional children in home country", professional employment, and property. 

She doesn't have additional children or professional employment so she doesn't pass the test. 

Willing to bet if she had 2 children in Acapulco and the 3rd in the US she probably would have got the visa.

2 minutes ago, Going through said:

I just thought of something......ask your wife if her mom said anything in the interview about coming to the US to "help take care of the baby" or something along those lines.  Many tourist visas are quickly denied for that exact same reason as, even though it's a grandparent, it is viewed by the CO as "unauthorized work."

I gave her a list of questions to ask her mom so can get better idea of what happened. 

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

You mentioned that you were looking at MIL immigrating and it seems that she is not independently wealthy and I assumed that you would be picking up the costs, the travel costs that seem to be giving you concern are minuscule compared to those.

I have no relationship with MIL. And on top of me not wanting her to permanently shackle up with us, my wife said her mom has zero interest in living here. 

Even said if my wife became a USC and got the auto-approval for her mom to get a greencard it would just be used for visits once every year or 2....And then people said the greencard is not for that. It is for permanent stays so that is now out of the question as an option.

2 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

Really?  The two countries share data though, so they will see the B-2 denial.

But what can they think? That now my family (4 USCs) are going to illegally stay in Canada along with wife's mom?

Or that we will try to sneak her across the border? It's an obvious visit but for whatever reason she was denied... I'll try to find more info later they should be doing their hour-long daily ritual chat soon. 

Pretty black and white case. House mexico....Bunch of sisters Mexico. 70 years Mexico...Language/Culture/cousins/nieces/nephews/friends Mexico. Everything Mexico.

Politely requests visit to see the newborn and daughter in US....DENIED.... all your ties are to.......---------> The US?

I don't get it but I do understand that every one is a suspect. I would think on the 2nd or 3rd time they would approve of her.

Just now, Going through said:

Ensure your wife is aware that her mother needs to apply to be able to enter Canada as well.

She thinks it is just a payment thing and not really a huge ordeal like it is to get US visa. Will be looking into it soon.

37 minutes ago, JFH said:

$3-5k for a plane ticket to Mexico? What’s your wife doing? Taking a private jet? Surely she will be staying with her mother in her home? 

I overestimated travel costs cause newborn free. It would be roughly $1600-$1800 for the 2 tickets. Then food for couple weeks. Easily $3000 total she'd probably stay 2 weeks in Mexico. What she thinks she wants to do now is have her mom travel from ACA (Acapulco) to YQG (windsor) which would only be $750 approx (if booking at least 1 month out). I'd drop wife and kids off and come back in a week. This would probably be around $2000 hotel/food/air/etc.

44 minutes ago, ElDiablo said:

Not sure what part is funny, as that's exactly how we see it which is most likely exactly how the CO saw it.

 

It's common sense.

There literally is not a single reason for visit that cannot be looked at as suspicious. I would rank visiting the daughter and newborn very low on the scale. 1 person out of 320 million that she knows.

If it's an area known for high rates of illegal immigration/overstays/etc. and the "suspect" has a brother, 2 sisters, 12 grandchildren, 3 sons and 2 daughters, and a whole network of people that could potentially house her then I could see that as suspicious. Just 1 person cannot be considered "1 person too many" and that is why it is funny. Cause it does not make sense. 

35 minutes ago, Going through said:

Like you said you are playing middle man and may not have all the information from your MIL as to how the interview went/full reasons behind the denial.

Do you know what questions were asked of her during the interview, and how she answered them?

Did she say anything about her daughter/you financially supporting her, or her trip (which can lead a CO to believe her daughter/you would continue to financially support her should she decide to overstay any visa)?

I'll have to find out but that seems like a valid point and possibility. 

1 hour ago, Boiler said:

Seems odd that in 10 years they never met?

 

Retiring in the US is only possible for the very wealthy so would give up on that.

They have talked every single day since day 1 and in 10 years maybe missed 1 handful of days of talking for at least 30 minutes. To contrast, I've spoke with my brother maybe 3 times in 4 years lol so their relationship is extraordinarily tight compared to most people.

Reason they haven't done the regular vacations is that we married in mid-20s and she is using my money. And I didn't have the thousands to give to her charity of going on a multi-thousand dollar vacation. Finally in the last few years (in my 30s now) starting to do much better financially. 

3 years ago, when my daughter turned 1 years old, she went back to visit. Wife had the luxury of going back for 2 months since she doesn't work.

With the newborn (9 months now) it would be another good time for them to reunite and we thought a summer visit her would be nice and one of the cheaper options and more convenient. 

But it is a money situation. One income household (2 if you count me giving her $300 tax-free per week). On top of what I do, which is probably above-average, I'm not about to hand her a $3000 bonus every year to go on vacation. So that is why they have only seen each other 1 time in person in 10 years. And my money situation has only been halfway decent in the last 3 years or so. 

Have no idea what you are talking about in regards to retirement, maybe you can elaborate?

58 minutes ago, Lazybones18 said:

Why don’t u go for option 2 ... it will take 1-1.5 years for her to get green card ... if I am not mistaken ???? 

 

however she needs to stay in USA permanently and cannot use that visa for visit only... it’s a immigrant visa 

Could be used as a backup plan if in 10 years I have enough money to hand her $1500-$2500 a month to live in a nearby home/apt but that is unlikely. 

She has no desire to abandon her extremely strong ties (:D) to her home/life in Mexico. 

10 minutes ago, Cathi said:

I'm pretty sure she wasn't denied for being the mother of one and that she was actually denied for having more ties to the US than to Mexico.

Wife said they asked reason for visit and she said to visit her daughter. They asked if she had any other children and she said no. I don't talk to my mother-in-law and don't know all the details of the 30 second conversation just going on what my wife said.

She has ZERO TIES to the US aside from having a daughter that moved here 10 years ago. But according to half of you guys on here house/employment/tons-of-family---dozens-of-family/friends/culture/language/entire life/everything she knows...... is completely outweighed by having a kid that happened to move to the US a decade ago lol. 

3 minutes ago, Nat&Amy said:

Relatives that can apply for AoS are always gonna be seen as that, as people that will potentially enter the country for a visit and then have a change of mind and adjust status. As mentioned before, thank all the "visitors" that never left the country for that. Fair? Probably not. But the CO doesn't know your family, the character of the people involved, nada. They have to make a decision based on what they have, and what they have is an only daughter with grandkids, which configures a stronger reason to stay in the US than to return to Mexico.

So basically unless she gets a 30 year mortgage and starts a legitimate business in Mexico....she'll always be denied? Pretty much?

And even if she had these "ties" there is a 99.9999% chance the CO doesn't look at any paperwork....So pretty much instead of a 75% chance for approval (apparently the B2 Visa approval rate in Mexico) she is at an 80-90% chance of denial. Can apply 2x a year and maybe on the 8th or 9th interview they'll approve it (4 or 5 years from now).

6 minutes ago, Ontarkie said:

It sucks but the truth is your MIl has more ties to the US than Mexico. A daughter and grandchildren would trump any other relative. 

 

I kinda get the logic but really don't. All relatives would be somewhat equally suspicious. A cousin "seems legit" but also very suspicious. Same with a brother, uncle, nephew, etc....Those actually seem more suspicious to me because the desire to see each other, ie visit, is a lot stronger with a parent/child than it is with a cousin/uncle/nephew/brother (they don't really want to visit their family they are just here to skip town while the mom/daughter really just want to visit).

That's how I'm thinking about it but can be looked at in many ways. I don't think a mom/daughter mom/son etc. would be high on the list of things they look out for. 

1 minute ago, Mollie09 said:

Green cards are not for "visiting once a year", if she uses it for that it will be revoked.

If your wife wants to petition her mother she is free to do so, the CO is assuming she is potentially bringing her mother to the US to adjust status, circumventing the visa process.

Interesting. So sounds like both a visitors visa and a green card are not options. 

Wonder why 75% get their B2 visas approved? Curious myself what she said in the interview as statistically-speaking she should have been approved. 

4 minutes ago, missileman said:

So, you assume that all COs are idiots?   I'm out.

I'm sure they are all functioning at above-average levels of intelligence. I'm sure there might be a slow one here or there but I'd assume the vast majority are pretty sharp as I'd imagine they'd have to be.

Just disappointed in the denial and think it is a funny name. I don't literally think they are idiots.

1 minute ago, Ontarkie said:

You don't say how your wife came to the US? This answer can also be why the denial.

Fiancee visa. 

1 hour ago, Ben&Zian said:

Her daughter, being an LPR, her grand kids, all good reasons to just stay in the US.

This assumes the "idiot behind the desk" (person that approves/denies application) is too dumb to realize my wife can just apply to be a USC and it guarantees that she can petition her mom a green card so that she can visit 1 time a year????

All 100% guaranteed approval??? Isn't that a good enough argument that the idiot behind the desk should approve?

4 minutes ago, Unidentified said:

Don't know where you live but even from Toronto the airfare for one person is only around $500. Double that if the 4 year old is travelling too, the 9 month old should be flying for free. In my opinion, if your wife has a good relationship with her mom and really wants to go visit, then that is something you can't put a price on. Visiting family is priceless in my opinion. Plus her mother is not getting younger, who knows how many more years she will have. Just my opinion though, everyone is different. 

I'm showing $800 (little more) if you want a 6.5 hour 1-stop flight. And you can spend $550 if you want 12.5 hour 1-stop flight from Detroit to Acapulco.

We would pay the premium for half the time spent travelling.

So around $1600 in airfare if the new-born travels free. So I over-exaggerated price  

Just baffled that apparently they accept 75% of tourist visa applicants out of Mexico and that means 75% of the people applying have "the right connections" and/or say the right things. Cause from what I briefly read never in a million years (or very rarely) would they ever ask to see documentation. It is all determined by what you say to the idiot at the desk. 

2 hours ago, Unidentified said:

I would seriously look into option 3 or 4 if I were you for short term solution and then if the mother-in-law wants to I guess you can consider option 2 for long term solution. 

Option 4 (her to Toronto) sounds torturous for me. With zero interest I have to force myself into hauling my kids and wife on a 4 hour road trip. A "vacation" I want nothing to do with.

Option 3 (wife visiting Mexico) sounds extremely expensive like lighting $3000 to $5000 on fire.

Option 2 is a guarantee but does anyone know how long of a process it is start to finish...I think it is 4 years but I don't know?

And based on what everyone said apparently having a house, job, and dozens of family is amazing ties to your country. Doesn't get any better. But if you add, "oh, by the way, I have no interest in visiting your (removed) country but I'd like to visit my daughter, who happens to live there, for 2 weeks" all of a sudden your ties to the country mean nothing.

1 minute ago, Ben&Zian said:

Well more to the point, why the 10 year wait? All can seem suspicious to the embassy. At 70, all of a sudden after a decade, trying to go visit the US? to them again it may seem like she's planning her retirement in the US with her daughter and grand kids. You have to be realistic with this things, so many people before have done it, hence why it is tough for some to ever obtain a tourist visa from certain countries (Philippines for example, difficult because of prior misuses by so many, and it still happens almost everyday probably)

Mostly money I suppose. I do try to look at it in their eyes but literally every example can be suspicious. Can say the same at 80, 85, then again at 90 (well, she's probably got 5 years left and wants to spend them in the US with her daughter). Oh, she's 75, she's trying to retire there for sure. 

6 minutes ago, Roel said:

What kind of job a 70 year old woman have? Honestly sounds like she had more ties to the US. It would be very easy for her to just use b2 Visa to remain in the US. Reapplying will probably have same results. 

She lives in Acapulco kinda up in the mountain there is a small church that she works at. Like I said I don't exactly have long telephone chats with her so I don't know what she does. It's not some lucrative high paying job. Maybe she volunteers. Maybe she gets 40 pesos a day I have no clue I don't talk to her!!!

How can someone get ties to their country? Guess if in 70 years she still has no ties to her country aside from the same thing 99% of people have (a house, all of her family but 1, a job) then no point in applying to visit again.  

Having a daughter here rules her out of visiting in your mind? LOL.

So apparently just visiting to randomly visit is a better and more legitimate reason than having a daughter to visit? 

7 minutes ago, missileman said:

I seriously doubt they said she was denied because she has only one child.  But her situation is pretty common these days.  She can thank all those people who have entered the US illegally or overstayed their visas........and your post makes it seem as though she does have interest in immigrating to the US.  She is free to reapply for a tourist visa, but I think your best bet is to visit her outside the US......

Agree with first part but incredibly wrong on the second part.

So my wife comes here in 2009 and over 10 years pass and her mom never even once applied for a tourist visa until now. Try to picture how long 10 years is. Really think about it. She has zero interest in anything other than visiting for a week or 2 and going back to her home. Again, I'm just playing telephone asking my wife what happened who asked her mom what happened. I wasn't there and don't even talk to her mom ever....Maybe 15 minutes in these last 10 years lol. But, they talk daily for about an hour.

4 minutes ago, ElDiablo said:

So what ties does she have to Mexico? Seems all you have posted is about her ties to the USA, which does not make the denial surprising.

 

Looks like you have covered all the options, depends whichever works best for you.

Pretty sure they didn't discuss that. Is it put on the application cause I'm playing middle man and my wife filled out her mom's application and no idea what she put.

Her ties are her job, her house, and her entire family (several sisters, etc.). Her entire life dating back about a century. She has absolutely no connection to the US, language, culture, etc. Aside from just so happens to have a daughter that lives here.