highlander08

You are GOLD! She will want a new stove. They LOVE new appliances.

Thanks, feathers all fluffed up now !

I make my own furniture but have used many antiques as guides and duplicated them. I do not enjoy "restoration" and for me it is easier to build new, duplicating an old pattern. I have also built furniture using designs from Italian furniture catalogs Alla had that she used to dream about but could never have possibly afforded (me either) but I can build near duplicates myself for just the price of the wood (not cheap either but far below buying new)I built her a 12 ft. long built in Armoire/wardrobe of solid cherry that is a photo finish of a similar Italian piece. The Italian model sold for more than 15,000 EUROS, about $22,000. I did it for maybe $1500, I did not keep track, but the cherry lumber I bought was a bit over $900 and all the other accessories easily added $400-500 I suppose.

She considers my woodcraft skills one of my better talents...GOLD. Dude, get a table saw!

Taught the boys to do workworking also and each of them can do some basic things, and each built things for Mom, shelves, towel racks, etc. They repalced windows with me, storm doors, and we finished a room above the garage for them to "hang out" in. So they did some insulation, framing, sheetrock, priming, painting, all that good stuff. Good place out of the main house for them to play video games, hang out with friends, ect. We would rather have them here, if you know what I mean.

"Dude, get a table saw!" I have two dewalt jobsite table saws, 1-12in , 1- 10in single bevel dewalt miter saws and 1- dual bevel sliding compound miter saw., I have enough woodworking tools to make many a man jealous of my "toys", I do finish carpentry for a living, as well as home remodeling. I am also the local electrician that everybody calls. I still prefer antiques. my kitchen stove is from 1937 a magic chef in excellent condition I found in an old house I was called to remove the electric from., this area has a lot of old treasures...

I wonder how you two met?

Its one of those "cardinal" rules concerning long distance dating....if you can't remove the person from the agency and get private emails and then within about two weeks on average a phone number...then drop them like a hot potato and move on.

Any serious woman who intends to be serious will want more than just email correspondence.

OP: How, besides EM's verification process, have you determined the person with whom you are emailing is the same as in photos or being described?

One "excuse" could be the lack of language.....my wife had taken a bunch of English courses and thought there would not be an issue, but our first conversation was more squeaking and laughing....she suggested immediately that we move it to Skype video. That we did and it really helped; phone conversations flowed more smoothly afterwards....after our meeting we rarely used emails, just phone, SMS and Skype.

"OP: How, besides EM's verification process, have you determined the person with whom you are emailing is the same as in photos or being described?"

no sarcasm intended but if I am learning a few words a day and her english is basic then how can we communicate on the phone understand each other and get better aquainted.

This is true. Does not sound like you are at that point yet but when you are THIS is number one. No point in starting down the road until you have all you need and you are in a mcuh better negotiating position BEFORE you feel the petition than after when you get to some point where you HAVE TO HAVE IT NOW!

even fathers that have been AWOL for years suddenly get very interested in their children when they find out the ex needs his signature to move ahead with her plans to be " a rich American" and it ofetn comes down to "What do I get out of this?" The farther ahead you plan, the less he gets and the more you get to keep.

Put your antiques in a safe place.

"Put your antiques in a safe place."

:unsure: My bedroom set is from the 1870's and the majority of my furniture is antiques, as I prefer the quality made then compared to nowadays throw away furniture.

Really? I don't give my number to strangers; my fiance only got it after we met face to face.

gotta protect your privacy or you wont have any.

So no phone calls or Skype video....at all, none?

If only emails then how do you know she is who she writes she is?

The father's letter could be a sticky point. Gary will give you the details, which can be found many times in many threads if you search back some pages here on RUB.

EM shows her as verified real person. you dealt with them you should know thier commitment to honesty and integrity.if it was a scam by now she would be passionately in love and asking for all kinds of $$$$$$. we have been communicating for aprox 2 mos.

Don't be snippy now. ALL of my info is around here somewhere, you're just new and we're are not as new.

Anyway a couple more questions and some more comments:

Where/How did you guys meet?

Only emails or do you talk on the phone or Skype video? How's her English?

Is the father still around? If so, know that you will need a notarized letter from him allowing the child to permanently immigrate to the US and to come back and forth to and from Ukraine. This letter should be first before you start any visa process....because without it, the child will not be allowed to leave.

Your lady's age and such are perfect but you must, assuming the first meeting goes well, ensure she knows everything about her possible future life here; much will be a big surprise to her.

And just to clue you in a bit, my history:

Paid my $99 and chose many women from EM's online catalog. Had developed a plan of attack including a long killer intro letter professionally translated into Russian. This allowed me to stand above the normal din of men who were trying to correspond with these ladies. Whittled the flock down to 5 very possible ladies; engaged them in emails, phone calls within two weeks of first email and for some Skype video calls within about the same time. After two months my wife Alla and I decided that we matched up well, on paper, and decided to plan to meet and to take our correspondence exclusive. In her first letter she told me about the 1.5 year old boy she had foster guardianship over and that he was most important in her life. I stated that I loved children and would love to have one in my family; and at that age moving to a new family abroad would not be so traumatic. We met for 10 days and decided to pursue the K-1 but still spent nearly every day talking and learning all about each other. We had to delay her interview since she hadn't yet been granted full adoption of the child within the Russian Adoption system. Once that was done, she was approved (after a request for more evidence which was emailed) and a week alter they were here. And still are, all are very happy. She's a 37 young blond Russian hottie and I'm a 55 year fit healthy guy with hair! Leonid is almost 5 now and is a perfect young angel boy (he's not a monster!!). My Alla did a favor for Gary and Alla's Sergey, when he was first attending school in Moscow and the two Allas were able to meet up in Moscow so mine could pump her for information about life here in the US...hence the knowledge we both have of each other's families and backgrounds.

EM,only emails, basic english, I translate on bing translate as I said in a former post I spend hours going back and forth with bing translating my letters and changing words around with a thesaurus so she gets the full meaning of my intent, she sends her letter in russian I translate and read with a bit of salt based on how I know the translation software can change things around..father not active on a regular basis.

Hello, Baron 555 "and with planning on bringing a FSU angel over here with a young child 8-9 years old," It IS clearly stated right here in my first post. her 38, chercassy , ukraine. him 8-9 depending upon when or if I bring them over, as at any time during our becoming better aquainted she has the option of saying adios. as do I. Thats why as stated in this and my other posts I am seeking advice and insight based upon actual {not virtual or other culture } FSU experience with cultural RUB specific family morals/traditions/values ect...

I just changed the location as it was the first lady was moldova.

This is true but you have to spend a fair amount of time with them to properly train them. My concern is inappropriat behaviour form new boy towards my little angel.as she is very sensitive, and exploratory sexual oriented actions from an agressive young man can cause trauma for a very sensitive , emotional girl.. I would think women would more sensitive to this concern. and I have a house full of antiques that I dont want messed up before my house rules are learned..

Again: attention Baron 555. during the course of this and other posts I thought I had stated most if not all of the particulars I am not going to give her name adress or any other specifics due to respect and privacy rights for her and her child. my questions are in general I do not know all your personal info just basic info... I think by now everybody on this website knows a h%ll of a lot more about me and my personal situation than I know about you guys, Gary and Alla excluded as Gary has been very helpful and specific with his answers and advice, for which I am eternally grateful. the info I have given to date is ALL the Personal info I will give...... thanks again everyone for the insight and advice.

Hello everybody, and thanks again for all of your comments and advice, no disrespect or putting down American children in general, but based upon, behavior of not all but some American adults, competition to extremes, to get ahead the backstabbing in the workplace, the teenagers having the pressure to join gangs in many large cities, teenagers rebelling against their parents because they feel like they are dictators when they really just love them and are trying to look out for the very best for them based on their life experiences and they do not want their children to repeat thier mistakes. The disrespect shown to many adults and parents, because we just don't understand them ( so they think). If you have watched Nanny 911, super nanny on tlc channel. or other shows similar to this one, some parents in all honesty either do not know how to work with children to train them up right, or having to work two jobs to provide for the family, do not spend the quality time with the children that they really need in order to have a good upbringing. Please remember I am not putting down Americans or American children in general but I do see quite a lot of this in our society. Which brings me to my question, based upon all the rave reviews of RUB and FSU spouses, their not getting upset over other peoples folly and drama in thier lives, the general outlook of ah well that's life don't get upset over it when other people are upset.. even when they are very beautiful they don't seem to think they are,because of thier culture, ?.. when many, not all but many American women who are far from attractive seem to consider themselves as prima donnas and princesses expecting to be treated like royalty, and always looking for the fairy tale ideal of romance and love in their life. And not accepting a good man, willing to work hard and take care of his family because of his appearance, and many look at your assets and not your #######.!!!!!! I cannot remember how many beautiful American women dressed very nicely, have looked down their nose at me, as if they are superior in some way.{ I think this is based somehow upon upbringing, peer pressure, and overinflated ego's...)

The reason I'm asking this, is because I love my daughter very dearly and with planning on bringing a FSU angel over here with a young child 8-9 years old, I would like to know in general how is child rearing, training, possible discipline handled over there. I realize every family is different, but are there certain standards and traditions followed for childrearing.

Thanks again everyone for all of your help and advice.

Hello, Baron 555 "and with planning on bringing a FSU angel over here with a young child 8-9 years old," It IS clearly stated right here in my first post. her 38, chercassy , ukraine. him 8-9 depending upon when or if I bring them over, as at any time during our becoming better aquainted she has the option of saying adios. as do I. Thats why as stated in this and my other posts I am seeking advice and insight based upon actual {not virtual or other culture } FSU experience with cultural RUB specific family morals/traditions/values ect...

last warning for all

Thank You Charles. !!!!!!

I'm sure you can find my other posts on VJ if you just look around.

thats just it we are not going to other posts looking around, we are discussing the topic of our interest in this post...

And the Brazilian parent wouldn't expect things done in a certain way?

Do you get what I am saying?

Lots of the advice in this thread would be helpful in the Moving here and Your New Life in America forum.

:thumbs: Then how about you go and start a thread in those forums and let us learn about one cultural specific, topic.. it is clear that no matter what we say that you are unable to GET our point being as you other posters seem to be closed minded and cannot open up to others views or experiences , thank you in advance for starting your own post elsewhere... :angry:

Why are people with no experience with FSU children butting in on this thread telling us FSU children are not raised differently? Even as someone who is second-generation American raised by a single mom with very traditional FSU parents, I can say that my mom reacted very differently to certain things than parents who have been American for generations and generations. It's a big topic and one that is very important--and something that can be a real issue in a co-parenting relationship. Kids are kids everywhere, but what childhood means and what the duty of children and parents are varies greatly from culture to culture.

:thumbs: Here Ye Hear Ye ....... Thats Exactly why I started this post.....

This is all stuff that had to be done after the child came to the US. And it would have to be done by anyone whose child did not speak English. This would not be exclusive to children from the Former Soviet Union.

It has to do with parenting. Good parenting. Not parenting of a kid from one specific geographic area.

Because, good people find each other. Somehow. No matter where they are from.

This forum is exclusive to children from the Former Soviet Union.

:thumbs: Excellent point, BUT this a forum about children from the FSU... kids from one specific geographic area....not children or ANYONE else from other countries. Not about children from England, Ireland, Portugal, Mexico, Italy, Poland or any other country as that is not where my interest lies. MY first post on VJ was put in the IR-1/CR-1 forum and transferred by administration to the Forum on RUB for which I am very grateful, as the saying goes birds of a feather flock together. Through Visa Journey's RUB Forum I have had the opportunity to interact with quite a few fine people who I have come to appreciate for their honesty, straightforwardness and unbiased advice and opinions on women and children from the former Soviet Union countries these are people who given the opportunity I would not mind meeting and possibly calling friends, as for whatever reasons they also have decided to seek and or marry someone from the former Soviet Union... which is why I am posting here and not on forums for other countries. If I was interested in information about women and children of other countries that's where I would have posted or been transferred to by administration. I cannot understand why people from these other forms are coming into this forum reading it posting their opinions because it is different than what their opinions are based on their life experiences living in other countries or with spouses and/or children from other countries. From what I have seen so far the members of the RUB forum have been very open and honest sharing their wit and wisdom, they have been polite, respectful and considerate of other people's feelings in giving their advice which I have been asking for.. however these people coming in from forums for other countries, have been baiting, saying certain people in this forum are saying things that they have not said, and basically appear to be stirring things up to the point where some of their posts have been removed by administration. I have a request for the latter members of the Visa journey. If at all possible would you please read whatever you like in these forums then take it back to your forums to comment upon and stir things up in order to feed your ego. Thank you.

I would like to wish everyone a happy and memorable Easter filled with family, friends and good memories.

'Anita Cocktail'

"Ahh, I'll bite...you don't think the sexes are equal?"

I had to revise the last one.

No GOD did not give men the parts he gave a woman and vice versa.....I have never heard of a Man going through childbirth or having children.or a Woman becoming pregnant without something only a man can provide.....

IF we did not have MEN & WOMEN there would be no Babies. Hence no continuation of the species...

Vwimmen are Vwimmen and Men are Men blessed by god in very different ways..SOME countries still adhere to that.... unlike wWomens lib and all that. Yes I think women should be treated fairly and equally in work,pay based upon experience,education, etc...Look at nature ,its still the way that god intended I have yet to see animals protesting for equal rights or wommens lib.. they just do what GOD created them to do.only its the reverse the males are usually more colorful. while the females blend in to thier surroundings in order to survive, protect the young and continue the species...while usually the male goes hunting and brings food to provide for the family...not all but most.. the male lions are considered King of the jungle.....the females provide most of the food too and the male roars and protects the young from enemies while the females go get food... :whistle:

My question was about kids not sexual equality.!

'Anita Cocktail'

"Ahh, I'll bite...you don't think the sexes are equal?"

I had to revise the last one.

No GOD did not give men the parts he gave a woman and vice versa.....I have never heard of a Man going through childbirth or having children.or a Woman becoming pregnant without something only a man can provide.....

IF we did not have MEN & WOMEN there would be no Babies. Hence no continuation of the species...

Vwimmen are Vwimmen and Men are Men blessed by god in very different ways..SOME countries still adhere to that.... unlike wWomens lib and all that. Yes I think women should be treated fairly and equally in work,pay based upon experience,education, etc...Look at nature ,its still the way that god intended I have yet to see animals protesting for equal rights or wommens lib.. they just do what GOD created them to do.only its the reverse the males are usually more colorful. while the females blend in to thier surroundings in order to survive, protect the young and continue the species...while usually the male goes hunting and brings food to provide for the family...not all but most.. the male lions are considered King of the jungle.....the females provide most of the food too and the male roars and protects the young from enemies while the females go get food... :whistle:

Ahh, I'll bite...you don't think the sexes are equal?

No GOD did not give men the parts he gave a woman and vice versa.....

IF we did not have MEN & WOMEN there would be no Babies. Hence no continuation of the species...

Vwimmen are Vwimmen and Men are Men blessed by god in very different ways..SOME countries still adhere to that.... unlike wWomens lib and all that. Yes I think women should be treated fairly and equally in work,pay based upon experience,education, etc...Look at nature ,its still the way that god intended only its the reverse the males are usually more colorful. while the females blend in to thier surroundings in order to survive, protect the young and continue the species...while usually the male goes hunting and brings food to provide for the family...not all but most.. the male lions are considered King of the jungle.....the females provide most of the food too and the male roars and protects the young from enemies while the females go get food... :whistle:

It's nice to have extra weapons but dare I say you'd be successful anyway?

You know, things like -

Not being ashamed of being a woman.

Not trying to be a man's equal.

Acknowledging the fact that women are not men.

And then we open up the whole can of worms of..... intelligent, sexy, sophisticated, etc.

Yeah ! Right On !!!!!! :dance:

But we would so much prefer your experience on raising FSU children that come with an FSU spouse. Can you share?

:thumbs: Here, Here. !!!!!!

Hey RJ and GA, please take your discussion elsewhere or private since you are derailing the OPs thread. He's asking for help prior to meeting a woman and doesn't want to make any mistakes, which he has as stated in the past. He's asking about FSU related traits only.....so if you don't have any experience to offer then please take it elsewhere. Tnx.

THANK YOU !!!!!! I did post on the RUB forum, If I was interested in any of the other countries / forums I would have posted there. I have decided for various reasons to have a lady's lady from FSU country. this is my choice, I am in no way interested in any women with or without kids from any other countries..... I have good reason which is private, so I'm only interested in reading, learning about RUB / FSU women and children based upon traditions, customs, culture, ect that ultimately affect thier ingrained life standards / morals and outlook in life in general. I know each person is an individual, but individuals are influenced by thier respective cultures.

I've raised kids. No Russian kids (yet), and not my own since I'm nearly infertile, but I've had to be the parent before, too often.

The talking ####### about American women doesn't bother me, hey, I dated American guys who made sure I never dated American guys again, so I understand the feeling, and I don't remember you specifically talking ####### about American women, but I've seen it here; don't know if it's still happening since I'm not on as often... it's usually along the lines of talking about what controlling, crazy, jealous and possessive american women are, and also fatter and uglier and butches.

I just find these OP's posts very strange, and yeah, I don't like seeing people being taken advantage of, even internet strangers. I dislike reading some of the threads here on VJ of people who married who they thought was the love of their life and then everything turned sour. In your case, you've been very fortunate that you and Alla had an in-person relationship and everything was and still is great for you and your story I think is one everyone in VJ admires, hell, I don't know Alla or your kids but I think I speak for everyone here that they deserve great respect. But sometimes, long distance relationships, by their own nature, hide a lot of things and people realize too late that there were some problems.

"But sometimes, long distance relationships, by their own nature, hide a lot of things and people realize too late that there were some problems."

Thank you very much, that's the reason I'm here is to learn from other people's experience unlike some other people who read some fluff and stuff on the Internet sites about women from other countries being ideal housewifes, maids, etc. then dive right in join a website get a genuine sincere woman all excited about what a great guy he is and falls in love with him then when he goes over there finds out that the real person is not what the virtual person described. I realize that basic human nature is the same almost everywhere. But as you guys can probably guess the reason I'm on this forum and not a different one, is because after experiencing relationships in this country that have not worked out successfully, I am still a man with feelings and emotions and desires, and what I have seen, and read about FSU women and how they are decidedly different than not all but many women in this country, you guys that are married to them know what I'm talking about, my first wife had three boys 6,7 and nine years old when I met her, I wanted a family to come home to every day someone to love and someone to love me no more no less,, we did not have any children together and things didn't work out. But in retrospect I discovered she was only after me because I had 2 acres of land and a home. This was in Texas in 1989, so I think she just hooked up with me to get out from living with her grandparents in a crowded home. The last one I told you about a while ago had two girls when I met her one was 8 And one was 12. so no I have not been lucky in love. But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop trying. And from past experience personally, and talking to guys at work there seems to be a common denominator with women in this country. And I think you all know what that might be. If I get a K-1 Visa, to bring her over here we have 90 days to get married, if I get married first then bring her over its basically the same scenario, I get to know her through communication through e-mails and Skype but that is not the same as living together on a day-to-day basis and really truly getting to know each other to have a better idea if things are going to work out or not. O.K. I know I'm going to get questions about this one as I met one online communicated four months then went over there stayed 10 days and got married.. that's another reason I'm on this forum for FSU, RUB is to learn from my mistakes and to have a better chance at the kind of relationship you guys have. I literally spend hours writing and rewriting letters because I use bing translate, and when I convert it to Russian and then back to English the meaning is all mixed up from what I am trying to convey so I use the thesaurus and enter other words that mean the same or similar things in order to get my message across. I am also communicating with a young man from mykayebo,Ukraine. Who I met on communication exchange on the Internet, he wanted to improve his English and in exchange is helping me to learn Russian. This is turning out to be better than the CDs you can buy because he was correcting me on my pronunciation I'm very impressed with how patient he is in helping me to learn. He said his reason is that he would like to see more people understand the Russian language as it is not widely used around the world. I forget what you call it but he's one who studies words and is very interested in foreign languages. So it's not like I'm not doing my best to get a complete and thorough understanding of what lies ahead in my Visa Journey. As always I thank you all again for all of your help. And I also want to say a hearty thank you to the people posting on the topics I have begun who are speaking in my defense with some of these other people who are posting on here...

Timelines are just eye candy, it's not going to reveal intentions. Neither will "sharing his story." But yeah...troll.

YUP

Holy ####### wall-of-text. tl;dr

well ? everybody kept asking, now you know more.

With all of these threads you have started lately and the fact that you have not filled out the most basic information, I am wondering if you are just trolling for things and maybe looking to write an article for some publication.

We are still communicating exclusively via e-mail getting better aquainted, I have not filed yet as we have not met in person yet .thats why the questions as I do not want to screw things up with her... I am not involved with the other websites as many are putting down FSU women based on thier bad experiences, due to ignorance and listening to other lonely hearts who were unsucessful, based in whole or in part upon taking advice from those other websites...I do my best to be a winner not a quitter as winners never quit and quitters never win.. therefore I am seeking advice from winners who have been there done that. and are happily married.

Again I thank you all for your advice and counsil in the past and the future. I have gained a lot of respect for you guys as good people as you are positive and know how to get what you want in life.Like the FSU hotties.....