Why does the Left hate Israel?

[joelunchbox 0]

OOOPPSSSS

I misread the post in front of my last post and it is too late to make a note there.

sarcasm detector malfuntioned.

I am in the middle of dealing with an rfe and was distracted...how about, I am distracted!

[mawilson 2,133]

My thoughts exactly. If both sides learn that things get fixed not by being idiotic cavemen, then they'd be capable of so much more.

Okay genius, what's your solution?

[justashooter 430]

sexual and emotional insecurity.

freud said that people afraid of guns (implements of force - projections of capacity to enact force) were sexually and emotionally insecure.

people who walk into a room swinging a gun around for no reason are sociopathic. if they are swinging it because somebody else is shooting at them, then they are men.

people who walk into a room wearing an explosive vest and kill themselves and everybody else in the room are borderline sociopaths. this is a feminised version of sociopathy that does not take responsibility for it's actions and typically blames others for the actions.

israelis = men

palestineans = men who are acting like women

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can't have a solution without breaking the cycle of violence. Easier said than done of course.

Still - cheering on the violence one way or the other is pretty grotesque in my view.

[HAL 9000 96]

My thoughts exactly. If both sides learn that things get fixed not by being idiotic cavemen, then they'd be capable of so much more.

Okay genius, what's your solution?

Hmm. Lets see. Two ways out-

1. Real horizontal military conflict. Hamas is given military status and armed accordingly. Then they can really duke it out with Israel.

2. Non-war answer. Israel starts honoring (as it can) settlement agreements, recognizes Palestine, yadda yadda. Hamas recognizes Israel or simply disbands. Its leadership likely goes into permanent exile for its use of terror tactics. Then Mossad can do what they please later on if they want to kickstart another round of violence against a new set of nutjobs taking advantage of the desperation of a nation of people.

[mawilson 2,133]

You can't have a solution without breaking the cycle of violence. Easier said than done of course.

Hamas will never accept any solution short of a full Israeli withdrawal to the "Green Line"

(pre-June 1967 border.) And let's face it - that's just not gonna happen. A bit too late for

that now - there are hundreds of thousands of Israelis living behind the Green Line -

what do you do with them? I suppose if you paid them a million dollars each to move,

a couple of hundred billion dollars would fix the problem.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

sexual and emotional insecurity.

freud said that people afraid of guns (implements of force - projections of capacity to enact force) were sexually and emotionally insecure.

people who walk into a room swinging a gun around for no reason are sociopathic. if they are swinging it because somebody else is shooting at them, then they are men.

people who walk into a room wearing an explosive vest and kill themselves and everybody else in the room are borderline sociopaths. this is a feminised version of sociopathy that does not take responsibility for it's actions and typically blames others for the actions.

israelis = men

palestineans = men who are acting like women

Goodness! I knew you were a bit of a backwards "man", but you never cease to amaze me. Your views on masculinity and femininity must come from reading Cosmopolitan.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

sexual and emotional insecurity.

freud said that people afraid of guns (implements of force - projections of capacity to enact force) were sexually and emotionally insecure.

people who walk into a room swinging a gun around for no reason are sociopathic. if they are swinging it because somebody else is shooting at them, then they are men.

people who walk into a room wearing an explosive vest and kill themselves and everybody else in the room are borderline sociopaths. this is a feminised version of sociopathy that does not take responsibility for it's actions and typically blames others for the actions.

israelis = men

palestineans = men who are acting like women

Goodness! I knew you were a bit of a backwards "man", but you never cease to amaze me.Your views on masculinity and femininity are tres XV siecle.

[Ban Hammer 14,603]

rockets= wrong Israel's reaction to those rockets= wrong

wrong + wrong not equal right.

easy to say when one is armchair quarterbacking instead of having those rockets shot at you.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can't have a solution without breaking the cycle of violence. Easier said than done of course.

Hamas will never accept any solution short of a full Israeli withdrawal to the "Green Line"

(pre-June 1967 border.) And let's face it - that's just not gonna happen. A bit too late for

that now - there are hundreds of thousands of Israelis living behind the Green Line -

what do you do with them? I suppose if you paid them a million dollars each to move,

a couple of hundred billion dollars would fix the problem.

As I said they do have a valid position on that issue, and one that doesn't tend to be much analysed in our media.

Gaza comprises approximately a million and a half people crammed into a 140 square mile area (in essence not terribly different from inner city ghettos in the US). Throw in terrible transport infrastructure, chronic malnutrition amongs the population and a broken economy (the result, in part, of previous Israeli incursions) and it becomes clear that this little more than a long-term refugee camp, complete with all the associated humanitarian problems.

We can to and fro over the relative morality about Hamas and the IDf, but its pretty clear who is suffering the most here. The rocket attacks are certainly reprehensible, but I think the threat that they pose to the Israelis is rather inflated given the relative handful of people killed and injured - certainly when it comes to justifying the response - major military action which kills many hundreds of palestinians and which further cripples the civilian infrastructure.

[Niels Bohr 72]

This part of the World have produced terror in many parts of the world. When will these zealots understand that people think differently, and just plainly accept that instead of war.

Hamas should accept the Israelis are Israelis. So what if they oppose them. Don't have to put rockets towards Israel.

Edited January 6, 2009 by Niels Bohr

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't think Hamas' is fixated on global islamism, the way Al Qaeda purportedly is.

There is a mythology in those circles that the Palestinians are embroiled in a new crusade against Jewish invaders, but the reality is that this is very much a day-to-day conflict - ideology has something to do with it, but a lot of it I think is about ####### for tat revenge.

[mawilson 2,133]

You can't have a solution without breaking the cycle of violence. Easier said than done of course.

Hamas will never accept any solution short of a full Israeli withdrawal to the "Green Line"

(pre-June 1967 border.) And let's face it - that's just not gonna happen. A bit too late for

that now - there are hundreds of thousands of Israelis living behind the Green Line -

what do you do with them? I suppose if you paid them a million dollars each to move,

a couple of hundred billion dollars would fix the problem.

As I said they do have a valid position on that issue, and one that doesn't tend to be much analysed in our media.

Gaza comprises approximately a million and a half people crammed into a 140 square mile area (in essence not terribly different from inner city ghettos in the US). Throw in terrible transport infrastructure, chronic malnutrition amongs the population and a broken economy (the result, in part, of previous Israeli incursions) and it becomes clear that this little more than a long-term refugee camp, complete with all the associated humanitarian problems.

We can to and fro over the relative morality about Hamas and the IDf, but its pretty clear who is suffering the most here. The rocket attacks are certainly reprehensible, but I think the threat that they pose to the Israelis is rather inflated given the relative handful of people killed and injured - certainly when it comes to justifying the response - major military action which kills many hundreds of palestinians and which further cripples the civilian infrastructure.

Yes, they do have a position and that is a "10-year truce" (wow how generous of them!) in return

for Israel's complete withdrawal to the 1967 borders.

Israel doesn't accept their position, Hamas doesn't accept Israel's position and the only alternative

is war.

War is not pretty or fair. Combatants die and so do innocent civilians caught in the line of fire.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Its not really "War" though is it. Its a bunch of irregular guerila fighters of varying degrees of experience Vs. a well armed, experienced regular military.

As I said yesterday - much of the condemnation of Israel has to do with what is perceived to be a massively disproportionate response to the original problem; a tactic that's been tried several times before to little effect.

Screw the factions - surely the only sympathy here should be with those who are caught in the middle.

[HAL 9000 96]

I don't think Hamas' is fixated on global islamism, the way Al Qaeda purportedly is.

There is a mythology in those circles that the Palestinians are embroiled in a new crusade against Jewish invaders, but the reality is that this is very much a day-to-day conflict - ideology has something to do with it, but a lot of it I think is about ####### for tat revenge.

Indeed. The conflict is over land.

Granted, Hamas seriously needs to be wiped off the map, since it is land they are fighting over. As do zealot Israeli Zionists that think they are entitled to the same place due to scripture.

Modern Israelis- those that hate Israel according to satire- are sick of the terror as much as they are sick of their own government perpetuating more cycles of terror in the future. That is, those that understand the meaning of the word peace.