Past Prison Time in Mexico a Problem? CIMT?

[wmw 0]

why would you think there would be a problem??

The US gives visas all the time to people who help some murderer dispose of a body.

get real!!

Very helpful. Thanks.

[chris4gretchen 1]

well you have to expect people will be a bit put out. especially when you act like it was no big deal since he didnt actually kill the person. i guess you have convinced yourself he just made a slight error in judgement or had some misplaced friendship loyalty. so did mob guys and gang members.

He helped dispose of a murder victims body. He is as guilty as they are. And anyone in their right mind when faced with that would go to the police immediately. Glad you're in love with him and im sure you have convinced yourself he is a great up standing guy.

Even the night stalker got married you know while in jail. Im sure she was convinced too that he just made a slight error in judgement. and plenty of accomplices to murder get off with a deal or a plead. still doesnt make them someone who is safe in society, or who should get a visa. theres a reason they can deny for criminal activity. we have enough of it here in the usa. we dont need it imported from some other country.

Would you have done the same if your friend asked you to drive her out of town to get rid of someone she killed?????

you cant gloss over something like that. its horredous. doesnt matter he got off.

Good luck to you, nothing personal but i hope he doesnt get a visa. i dont want him living on my street.

Chris

Edited October 26, 2007 by chris4gretchen

[Misty1979 0]

well you have to expect people will be a bit put out. especially when you act like it was no big deal since he didnt actually kill the person. i guess you have convinced yourself he just made a slight error in judgement or had some misplaced friendship loyalty. so did mob guys and gang members.

He helped dispose of a murder victims body. He is as guilty as they are. And anyone in their right mind when faced with that would go to the police immediately. Glad you're in love with him and im sure you have convinced yourself he is a great up standing guy.

Even the night stalker got married you know while in jail. Im sure she was convinced too that he just made a slight error in judgement. and plenty of accomplices to murder get off with a deal or a plead. still doesnt make them someone who is safe in society, or who should get a visa. theres a reason they can deny for criminal activity. we have enough of it here in the usa. we dont need it imported from some other country.

Would you have done the same if your friend asked you to drive her out of town to get rid of someone she killed?????

you cant gloss over something like that. its horredous. doesnt matter he got off.

Good luck to you, nothing personal but i hope he doesnt get a visa. i dont want him living on my street.

Chris

This reminds me of that famous old saying I think all of us learned when we were six years old or so: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." I agree that his past behaviour is questionable, however tearing into his wife about her decision to marry him, and what it would mean if he moved onto your street is not what this board is about. She was asking whether or not she thinks this could affect their chances of obtaining a visa, so ripping on her about her husband's past mistakes seems not only unnecessary, but also pointless since you are a stranger trying to change her opinions about the man she has already committed her life to.

For the OP, I hope you do come back and post what the attorney had to say regarding your question. As far as I know, every country needs a police certificate, so I do think that is something you two should start working on acquiring. Good luck with your consultation, and please keep us posted

[Fandango 1,439]

whoa!

Edited October 26, 2007 by LisaD

[GabachaYucateca 0]

WMW...really not sure about the answers to your questions, but I'd recommend heading over to www.immigrate2us.net, as they are much less judgemental and scary over there.

And, as you have seen here, people who have NO input and NO clue how to answer your questions will come on here and not only cut you down, but make stupid, uniformed comments about your partner's country.

Many folks with waivers have learned to post elsewhere, and I recommend you do the same! Even if they can't help you directly, they can point you in the right direction and be encouraging.

Suerte.

[chris4gretchen 1]

I agree that his past behaviour is questionable,

you think thats ONLY questionable? he can live on your street then, next to you.

and i didnt say anything about his country in specific. I said we dont need any imported criminals from any other country, meaning any country in general. we have enough crime here for us all.

sorry i didnt break out the cookies and milk for her post. but dumb things 18 year olds do dont include helping dispose of a murdered body. at least not in my book.

i didnt know this site was for coddling people, good to know that other site welcomes that kind of behavior or history with open arms.

And for good or bad, we also learned at 6 years old " we are who we hang out with" .

Chris

Edited October 27, 2007 by chris4gretchen

[chris4gretchen 1]

And for good or bad, we also learned at 6 years old " we are who we hang out with" .

and that quote is refering to him and his choice to hang out with guys doing bad things. He had a choice there. ( not her as it appeared after i read it.)

Chris

[archie07 0]

You better get his police certificate from mexico and start from there.

[Misty1979 0]

I agree that his past behaviour is questionable,

you think thats ONLY questionable? he can live on your street then, next to you.

and i didnt say anything about his country in specific. I said we dont need any imported criminals from any other country, meaning any country in general. we have enough crime here for us all.

sorry i didnt break out the cookies and milk for her post. but dumb things 18 year olds do dont include helping dispose of a murdered body. at least not in my book.

i didnt know this site was for coddling people, good to know that other site welcomes that kind of behavior or history with open arms.

And for good or bad, we also learned at 6 years old " we are who we hang out with" .

Chris

Call it what you will. The point still stands that someone with a valid question was posting here in hope of answers, and you were cutting her down because of her husband's past mistakes. And whoever taught you "we are who we hang out with" needs to be slapped, as that quote makes no sense whatsoever. Also it still doesn't have anything to do with what is going on here, as I was defending the OP, not her husband. I don't agree with his choice in being an accomplice to murder, and didn't even imply that.

All I'm saying is that I don't see the point in posting if you don't have any sound advice to give, which is what a forum like this is here for.

[Boiler 43,720]

You have to declare all past crimes. Not just those that may appear on a Police Certificate.

[Caladan 19]

You have to declare all past crimes. Not just those that may appear on a Police Certificate.

Boiler's made the point I was going to. You have to disclose arrests, too, and the U.S. usually does not recognize other countries' pardons or expunging the records as overriding the crime indicating moral turpitude. If he's found inadmissible, then you qualify as a relative to file an I-601 waiver, where you, the USC, argue that it would be an extreme hardship to you to relocate to your fiance's country.

On this sort of thing, the devil is 100% in the details. How old was he? Was he the driver? Was he found not guilty or did he plea? Were there one charge or many? (If this were a drug case, the difference between 'no problem' and 'inadmissible' might be something as simple as 'were they on a street corner near a school?')

And that's well beyond anyone's expertise here. A site like visajourney is only good insofar as the experiences are shared. Get yourself a good lawyer. (People over at immigrate2us.net probably will have good suggestions for one.)

[blueblue 0]

You have to declare all past crimes. Not just those that may appear on a Police Certificate.

Boiler's made the point I was going to. You have to disclose arrests, too, and the U.S. usually does not recognize other countries' pardons or expunging the records as overriding the crime indicating moral turpitude. If he's found inadmissible, then you qualify as a relative to file an I-601 waiver, where you, the USC, argue that it would be an extreme hardship to you to relocate to your fiance's country.

On this sort of thing, the devil is 100% in the details. How old was he? Was he the driver? Was he found not guilty or did he plea? Were there one charge or many? (If this were a drug case, the difference between 'no problem' and 'inadmissible' might be something as simple as 'were they on a street corner near a school?')

And that's well beyond anyone's expertise here. A site like visajourney is only good insofar as the experiences are shared. Get yourself a good lawyer. (People over at immigrate2us.net probably will have good suggestions for one.)

As far as inadmissible goes, if he was not convicted then he would not be inadmissible. If he was then it is probably considered a CIMT and would have to file a waiver. If it is just an arrest, he would have to say he was arrested. If he started explaining all the details, then I am sure the CO will look at him in a different light just as the folks on this site have. It is a pretty horrific type of situation that most average people would be very concerned about. I wouldn't recommend going anywhere without a lawyer on this one.

[Fandango 1,439]

Caladan and Boiler are absolutely correct....it's not just convicted crimes that one must disclose.....check question 31 on the ds-230:

Have you ever been charged, arrested, or convicted of any offense or crime?

Whether or not it's been expunged from his record is really superfluous at this point. And according to the OP, her husband did, in fact, partake in the crime of being an accessory after the fact in a homicide. So firstly, the OP's husband is going to have to explain the circs, and 'I didn't kill the guy, I only helped dispose of his body' is not going to make this a nonissue in deciding eligibility for admission.

Of course, that's my opinion....but if this isn't considered a CIMT, then I'll run around my block naked only wearing running shoes.

[Peggy 1]

I agree with Lisa.

He is going to have to show those arrest papers.

[archie07 0]

I agree with all of the above, but a crime of this magnitude just "Disappearing" I find hard to believe. There may be more to this than the OP knows. Is the judicial system that corrupt in mexico?