African-Americans comprise 9% of the population of Los Angeles County, but are victims in 59% of all race-hate crimes

[Heracles 417]

man, I left for a few days, and was happy, swimming, loving the sun, listening to music, hanging out with friends and his young brothers and sisters, this post had more or less died by then, then I come back to see Boo-Yah has to open their mouth in this fashion again. WAHHHH WAHHHHHHH make me cry, that I put myself through the scrutiny of reading his/her comments. And this Charles, ayyyy, better if I don't even start with that. WOOW is all I will say

Why?? what is your problem??

[Heracles 417]

I second this also, and I am not sure either why you give Boo-Yah with his/her disingenous comments and quite frankly idiotic comments any attention. You are smarter that that

Seriously have a look at your posts. Pure dribble..

Cut this I don't agree with you so you are a moron #######.

[peejay 327]

Right, but they kept doing things that were intellectually interesting well beyond that. Europe wasn't *talking* to them much, but that's not the same thing.

I think it's just plainly false to draw a line at the Industrial Revolution and then count that as civilization given that none of that happens without what came before it. Most of our civilization's trappings is through the last three hundred years but what has that to do with the alleged superiority of white people?

Why are you trying to take what Stabu said out of context. The only reason stabu mentioned white civilization was in terms of whether it is okay for someone Caucasian to mention their people's achievements to the same degree as black Americans do? Once again, nothing else more to it..

The one who brought it up was peejay (check the thread, you quoted it approvingly), who was saying that no one else contributed to civilization besides the White Man and that's a reason for something or other about the genetics of the rest of the planet.

That's not just celebrating the steam engine, you know?

Yes...you should check the thread (the whole thread)...because I said no such thing! Me thinks that someone must be playing games with the quotes or some such because I don't claim that quote and certainly didn't make it.

[Raspect 0]

Most of our civilization's trappings is through the last three hundred years but what has that to do with the alleged superiority of white people?

I do wonder who has claimed that White people would be superior? I've been the only one who have been talking among those lines and I've been greatly misunderstood. My original point was that 1) White should have an equal right to feel proud of being White than any other people have the right to be proud of something that they've done. Whites shouldn't feel ashamed about themselves in the way they are currently shamed especially by the academia. 2) The second point was that the academia implicitly assumes that Blacks and Hispanics are inferior to Whites and can only compete with them via extra privileges. I think that these privileges are unfair since they reduce the value of education from those Blacks and Hispanics who are very talented and can compete against Whites and Asians without Affirmative action or equal programs.

This discussion has gotten badly out of track...

I believe it was you who I said I will not continue reading your post. Well I did not. I have though read every other post of yours on this thread. And I would like to apologize. Maybe your comment did have intelligent things to say in it. I do like the way you do try to explain yourself in an educated(not formal education either) manner. So I do apologize.

P.S. I would ask Boo-Yah to stop commenting on your posts as they are surely not going to add anything to your credibility, and maybe in fact do the opposite

[Heracles 417]

Yes...you should check the thread (the whole thread)...because I said no such thing! Me thinks that someone must be playing games with the quotes or some such because I don't claim that quote and certainly didn't make it.

I never saw the connection either..

P.S. I would ask Boo-Yah to stop commenting on your posts as they are surely not going to add anything to your credibility, and maybe in fact do the opposite

Now I see why you talk in a gibberish way. Had a few too many drinks tonight??

Edited September 4, 2007 by Boo-Yah!

[Ban Hammer 14,468]

And this Charles, ayyyy, better if I don't even start with that. WOOW is all I will say

oh please do get started. here's all of my posts in this thread. perhaps you can explain with your gifted intelligence what i said that is so wrong..........

interesting.........

i thought you didn't sleep?

and anglos are boring

why isn't jesse jackson in la?

actually, not really. the same ones that usually jump all over a white guy saying anything remotely similar are absent from this thread

say something and count them

you got an ax to grind, don't you?

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Raspect's posts sound like an idiot on ganja.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I still think people who want to toot the horn of the white man are missing the point. That the experience of being black in America is really about a subculture, one which is informed partly by ethnicity but just as much by class.

As far as that goes - I don't believe there is any such thing as a specifically identifiable 'white culture'. 'American culture' is a rich tapestry that has evolved from the country's immigrant population and includes, for example; the Irish, Italians and Germans and Jews to name but a few. Blacks are part of that culture too - but they (in a similar way to the Native Americans) have had to adapt to a culture that was never really their own and was essentially imposed on them - through the slave trade. The 'black voice' as it were is really about an ethnic community trying to find its cultural identity within a broader tapestry of American life. Its very much new and undefined - though certain elements have risen to the fore. Some, like the whole gangster rap phenomenon are perhaps undesirable - but still very much in line with a class, rather than a specifically racial divide.