CEAC Date change and still refused

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2 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Because you have a romantic  relationship with a U.S. Citizen and you are a citizen of a country whose citizens are not part of America’s  visa waiver or visa exemption programs.  Your ties to America are considered stronger than your ties to Lebanon or your country of residence. 
 

When will you become a citizen of an EU or other visa waiver / exempt country, you have a stronger chance of being able to visit the USA.  
 

Does your fiancée have a citizenship of another country in addition to the U.S.?

But why would they refuse my B VISA? Just because I have a "romantic relationship" with a citizen? 

What is rejection reason? 

It's kind of silly because when we get married in a few months, she can get me the green card, so it doesn't make sense why would they refuse my tousit visa. 

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13 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

But why would they refuse my B VISA? Just because I have a "romantic relationship" with a citizen? 

What is rejection reason?

See https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/2021-12/CBP - FY 2020 Entry Exit Overstay Report_0.pdf

 

Citizens of Lebanon  have a high rate of overstay compared to citizens of visa waiver program countries.  
 

Your romantic relationship with an American makes it more likely you will overstay. 
 

U.S. immigration law presumes all aliens have immigration intent. The onus is on you to convince the departments of state and homeland security the contrary. 
 

13 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

It's kind of silly because when we get married in a few months, she can get me the green card, so it doesn't make sense why would they refuse my tousit visa. 

OTOH, State and Homeland Security know that there is a risk you would marry during  your visit, then file to adjust status to a green card holder, and stay in the U.S. while waiting for your green card. The onus is on you to convince State and Homeland you won’t do that. You weren’t able to do so in your interview. 
 

I will point out something else.
 

* You didn’t mention in your OP that you had an American fiancée. This wasted your time and the time of those who replied to try to help you.  
 

* In my previous reply I mentioned that being a citizen of a visa waiver / exempt country would change things.  You didn’t respond to that by saying something like “yes I will be a citizen of Netherlands in 2 years” or “I’ve no plans to get a Schengen citizenship” etc.  

 

* I also asked if your fiancée has a second citizenship and you didn’t answer 

 

While you have free agency, evading questions and not disclosing critical details is not going to help you.  Whether it is being transparent to us here on visajourney or to an immigration authority at an embassy or border check point.  
 

Hopefully you will get your visa and hopefully you will be admitted to the USA on that visa. 

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5 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Citizens of Lebanon  have a high rate of overstay compared to citizens of visa waiver program countries.  

Your romantic relationship with an American makes it more likely you will overstay. 

Well, first of all, I'm in a romantic relationship with an american citizen, therefore, I and the counselor knows that I will get access to the US eventually, if not now through B2 VISA, it will be whatever other means that my partner has constitutional right for .. Fiancee VISA, Green Card, etc. 

 

9 minutes ago, Mike E said:

OTOH, State and Homeland Security know that there is a risk you would marry during  your visit, then file to adjust status to a green card holder, and stay in the U.S. while waiting for your green card. The onus is on you to convince State and Homeland you won’t do that. You weren’t able to do so in your interview. 

Risk I would marry? But that's why i'm with the person to marry her .. I don't understand how is that a risk? I will marry her in Januaury and she will apply for my green card .. That's not a risk, that's a FACT! And it's not about interview or convincing the counselor or not .. I answered all the questions that I was asked and I was clear with the fact that she is moving to Europe since I have a very decent and highly paid job here.

 

11 minutes ago, Mike E said:

* You didn’t mention in your OP that you had an American fiancée. This wasted your time and the time of those who replied to try to help you.

Not every person who posts on forums means they know what details are essential and what not. That's the whole reason of posting it here. You engage in a conversation and understand better. To me, this is not a waste of time rather than a good way to understand how this goes. To you, it may be a waste of time, nevertherless, i appreciate your efforts in answering.

 

13 minutes ago, Mike E said:

* In my previous reply I mentioned that being a citizen of a visa waiver / exempt country would change things.  You didn’t respond to that by saying something like “yes I will be a citizen of Netherlands in 2 years” or “I’ve no plans to get a Schengen citizenship” etc.  

That doesn't make any difference because the plan is to visit her family next March, I don't care about what's going to happen in 2-3 years ahead. I know i will get a different passport and I can easily travel to the USA visa free.

 

14 minutes ago, Mike E said:

* I also asked if your fiancée has a second citizenship and you didn’t answer 

She is originally Mexican, but an american citizen by birth. 

 

16 minutes ago, Mike E said:

While you have free agency, evading questions and not disclosing critical details is not going to help you.  Whether it is being transparent to us here on visajourney or to an immigration authority at an embassy or border check point.  

With all due respect, it's not about transparency .. I am very transparent with all my answers and i was very clear during the interview. All questions were answered to the counselor and at the end she said "the system is not letting me issue the visa, it says we need additional information" .. So they put me in administrative processing and requested the DS 5535 afterwards. I believe if i am never going to get the B visa, they would have instantly denied me and told me that i need the K1 visa or something else, no need to waste my time and their time on it. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Anjuna said:

Well, first of all, I'm in a romantic relationship with an american citizen, therefore, I and the counselor knows that I will get access to the US eventually, if not now through B2 VISA, it will be whatever other means that my partner has constitutional right for .. Fiancee VISA, Green Card, etc. 

Previously you wrote:

 

”No, cause I am not intending to move there, the plan is for her to move to The Netherlands with me”

 

So your story doesn’t hold water. You have expressed immigration intent. Your likelihood of getting a visitor visa is worse than I originally thought. 

 

And btw your partner has a constitutional right to absolutely nothing when it comes to facilitating  your access to the USA. 

 

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Risk I would marry? But that's why i'm with the person to marry her .. I don't understand how is that a risk? I will marry her in Januaury and she will apply for my green card .. That's not a risk, that's a FACT!

It’s both risk and a fact. If you marry and she files I-130 for your green card, you can file I-485 to stay in then USA to get that green card. And note that you’ve now twice said you want to get a green card even after previously saying you want live with your future spouse in Netherlands. 

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And it's not about interview or convincing the counselor or not

Well then, why wasn’t your visa approved and issued by now? The CO wasn’t convinced and your words are making a convincing argument for why the CO was not convinced.  

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. I answered all the questions that I was asked and I was clear with the fact that she is moving to Europe since I have a very decent and highly paid job here.

But that isn’t the plan really. You’ve said you want a green card.  Did you tell the CO you intended to marry on this visit to the USA? And apply for green card?

 

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Not every person who posts on forums means they know what details are essential and what not.

Stating that you applied for a visa to visit your fiancée would be forthcoming and useful to you.  As would your marriage and green card plans. 
 

This comment, 

foreshadowed the rest of this thread. There were red flags. 

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That's the whole reason of posting it here. You engage in a conversation and understand better. To me, this is not a waste of time rather than a good way to understand how this goes. To you, it may be a waste of time, nevertherless, i appreciate your efforts in answering.

You are welcome. 

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That doesn't make any difference because the plan is to visit her family next March,

After you have married and she applies for your green card. I don’t see that March trip going on as you plan. 

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I don't care about what's going to happen in 2-3 years ahead. I know i will get a different passport and I can easily travel to the USA visa free.

I understand that you don’t care or rather you don’t understand why you should care. However knowing that is information in your favor. It shows that you have strong ties to your country of residence. I am trying to help you.  But given your stated immigration intent this help might be in vain. 
 

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She is originally Mexican, but an american citizen by birth.

She is an Ibero-American IOW. Ibero-Americans have an expedited path to citizenship of Spain.  Once she gets her Spanish passport, assuming you no longer have immigration intent and aren’t a citizen of Netherlands, visiting Spain and not overstaying can convince an embassy to give you a B visa  

 

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With all due respect, it's not about transparency .. I am very transparent with all my answers and i was very clear during the interview. All questions were answered to the counselor and at the end she said "the system is not letting me issue the visa, it says we need additional information" .. So they put me in administrative processing and requested the DS 5535 afterwards. I believe if i am never going to get the B visa, they would have instantly denied me and told me that i need the K1 visa or something else, no need to waste my time and their time on it. 

That would have been useful information for your OP. Some COs dissemble  to avoid drama.  

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3 minutes ago, Mike E said:

So your story doesn’t hold water. You have expressed immigration intent. Your likelihood of getting a visitor visa is worse than I originally thought. 

 

It's not immigration intent, rather than visit her country with her. That's her home, where her family with. Yes she wants to move here with me but that doesn't mean we won't ever visit. Big difference. Many people hold green cards due to various reasons and they don't even live in the USA. Holding a green card doesn't necessarily mean you want to live there. I know many people who have it and they just use it to visit the US.

 

5 minutes ago, Mike E said:

It’s both risk and a fact. If you marry and she files I-130 for your green card, you can file I-485 to stay in then USA to get that green card. And note that you’ve now twice said you want to get a green card even after previously saying you want live with your future spouse in Netherlands. 

She will file for my green card in the scenario where my tourism visa is denied because i won't apply for a tourist visa if i get denied. We will get married in 3 months, so it makes mroe sense to apply for something that is more guaranteed. And you mentioned that she has no right? She does have the right to have her husband with her. Even I, a non-EU citizen who hold a "temporay residency" in The Netherlands, have the right to bring her here with me. 

 

7 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Well then, why wasn’t your visa approved and issued by now?

Because it's simple. Since the Trump administation, all people who are from the Middle East or who've been there, have to undergo Administrative Processing. And that was the whole point of my question, is to understand how the process is going and how to know that i got denied or the application is still in process because the system isn't clear enough. I beleive if there's an issue with what VISA type i should apply for or if they are afraid that I will stay there, they would have denied me already. Afterall, yes i am from a 3rd world country, but I applied from an EU Country and i explained that I am in a high paid job and i don't want to move there.

 

10 minutes ago, Mike E said:

But that isn’t the plan really. You’ve said you want a green card.  Did you tell the CO you intended to marry on this visit to the USA? And apply for green card?

No, the plan was to visit her family. Meet her parents, her friends, her city etc. 

The green card is Plan B for us in case i get refused the tourism visa.

 

11 minutes ago, Mike E said:

After you have married and she applies for your green card. I don’t see that March trip going on as you plan. 

I'll have to wait and see what is the outcome of my current application. I just wanted to understand that if i get denied, how will i know? Will the CEAC website state that it got denied? Will get an email explaning? etc. ... that's my main question of the OP.

 

13 minutes ago, Mike E said:

She is an Ibero-American IOW. Ibero-Americans have an expedited path to citizenship of Spain.  Once she gets her Spanish passport, assuming you no longer have immigration intent and aren’t a citizen of Netherlands, visiting Spain and not overstaying can convince an embassy to give you a B visa  

I have already did the interview and she has no intention to get another passport than the US one. So this path is not an option. 

I guess I have no other choice than wait an outcome and an explanation if it was denied. 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

 

It's not immigration intent, rather than visit her country with her. That's her home, where her family with. Yes she wants to move here with me but that doesn't mean we won't ever visit. Big difference. Many people hold green cards due to various reasons and they don't even live in the USA. Holding a green card doesn't necessarily mean you want to live there. I know many people who have it and they just use it to visit the US.

This either incredibly and honestly  naive or is brazen statement of intent to violate U.S. immigration law.  Assuming the latter your logic is like the guy who complains that he got a sledding ticket while a 100 other speeding drivers  were ignored 

 

Just because some green card holders manage to skirt U.S. immigration law and life outside the USA without consequence doesn’t mean you will get away with it.  
 

And I won’t be helping you to get away with it. 

15 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

 

She will file for my green card in the scenario where my tourism visa is denied because i won't apply for a tourist visa if i get denied. We will get married in 3 months, so it makes mroe sense to apply for something that is more guaranteed. And you mentioned that she has no right?

Correct 

 

15 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

 

She does have the right to have her husband with her.

Incorrect. 

15 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

 

Even I, a non-EU citizen who hold a "temporay residency" in The Netherlands, have the right to bring her here with me.

Netherlands law has no effect in the USA. 

15 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

 

Because it's simple. Since the Trump administation, all people who are from the Middle East or who've been there, have to undergo Administrative Processing.

Ah there we go 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

 

 

And that was the whole point of my question, is to understand how the process is going and how to know that i got denied or the application is still in process because the system isn't clear enough. I beleive if there's an issue with what VISA type i should apply for or if they are afraid that I will stay there, they would have denied me already. Afterall, yes i am from a 3rd world country, but I applied from an EU Country and i explained that I am in a high paid job and i don't want to move there.

I can’t keep up with the story. 

15 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

 

No, the plan was to visit her family. Meet her parents, her friends, her city etc. 

The green card is Plan B for us in case i get refused the tourism visa.

And then get a notice to appear for not living in the USA. 

15 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

 

I'll have to wait and see what is the outcome of my current application. I just wanted to understand that if i get denied, how will i know? Will the CEAC website state that it got denied? Will get an email explaning? etc. ... that's my main question of the OP.

 

I have already did the interview and she has no intention to get another passport than the US one. So this path is not an option. 

I guess I have no other choice than wait an outcome and an explanation if it was denied. 

 

 

I’m out. 

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2 hours ago, Anjuna said:

Risk I would marry? But that's why i'm with the person to marry her .. I don't understand how is that a risk? I will marry her in Januaury and she will apply for my green card .. That's not a risk, that's a FACT! And it's not about interview or convincing the counselor or not .. I answered all the questions that I was asked and I was clear with the fact that she is moving to Europe since I have a very decent and highly paid job here.

Since OP states he disclosed the US Fiancé in the DS-160 , I wonder if the CO opted for a lengthy interview , instead of a quick denial, just to hear ( and create a record) of the answers …

CO definitely stayed “ in” as long as @Mike E asking very relevant questions 
 

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13 minutes ago, Family said:

Since OP states he disclosed the US Fiancé in the DS-160 , I wonder if the CO opted for a lengthy interview , instead of a quick denial, just to hear ( and create a record) of the answers …

CO definitely stayed “ in” as long as @Mike E asking very relevant questions 
 

The interview took 5-7 minutes overall and the questions i was asked were the purpose of my visit, what do i work, what are my job responsibilities, what does my finacee work, how we met and if she will move here or not. Other than having a US Citizen as a finacee, I also work as in Engineer in a highly regulated industry.

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20 minutes ago, Anjuna said:

37 minutes ago, Family said:

Since OP states he disclosed the US Fiancé in the DS-160 , I wonder if the CO opted for a lengthy interview , instead of a quick denial, just to hear ( and create a record) of the answers …

CO definitely stayed “ in” as long as @Mike E asking very relevant questions 
 

The interview took 5-7 minutes overall and the questions i was asked were the purpose of my visit, what do i work, what are my job responsibilities, what does my finacee work, how we met and if she will move here or not. Other than having a US Citizen as a finacee, I also work as in Engineer in a highly regulated industry.

Well , don’t expect any “ explanation “ for visa decision whenever it comes, but all previous posts should give you insight as to how well you did in convincing CO that you did not “ have immigrant intent”. 
 

You will ALWAYS be put in long AP for security clearances…and nothing you can do to speed it up. 

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1 minute ago, Family said:

Well , don’t expect any “ explanation “ for visa decision whenever it comes, but all previous posts should give you insight as to how well you did in convincing CO that you did not “ have immigrant intent”. 

I don't get it .. How is explaning to the CO that my fiancee will move to Europe with me since I have here a high paid job is not convincing enough that I don't have immigration intent?????

If i was still in my country where the situation is bad, I would understand .. But i am an EU resident and I have a very good and stable job. I already have an immigrant status in one of the best countries to live in. 

 

4 minutes ago, Family said:

You will ALWAYS be put in long AP for security clearances…and nothing you can do to speed it up. 

Yes I am well aware of that, but for some reason, nobody gave me an answer to my original question and the conversation keep drifting away to what i said on the DS160 or what i was asked. 

 

ALL I needed was an answer to this question: "How do i know the status of my AP since the CEAC website currently replaced AP with refused 2 years ago? In case of final refusal, will the embassy send an email stating refusal or will the CEAC website state that it was refused 100%???" 

 

That is the answer that I am looking for and I would appreciate if someone has clarity on that, please shed some light. If not, there's no reason to go through my actual application and assume the result. 

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19 hours ago, Family said:

You will ALWAYS be put in long AP for security clearances…and nothing you can do to speed it up. 

 

22 hours ago, Mike E said:

I can’t keep up with the story. 

 

I quoted both of you because I don't know how to mention on this forum.

 

I got an email from the embassy today that my VISA is ready and I should go as soon as possible to have it on my passport.

 

Thanks for your insightful comments .. however, would be nice not to jump into conclusions  

Having a citizen fiancee is not always a risk and the way the CO respond is not always "hiding emotions" to avoid drama.

 

And a fiancee of an american citizen CAN get Type B visa  

 

Cheers and enjoy your day!