The Minimum Wage Eats Restaurants

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

5 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

There is nothing wrong about being fiscally conservative, and that's something many Americans need to learn. There is nothing wrong with having more money, but a little conscience is also required to run a successful business. I mentioned In-N-Out burgers in an earlier thread. The owners are rich and treat their employees with the dignity they deserve, and they're just a burger joint!

 

Despite being good people they still have not put an in and out near me.  Give me Animal style!

Edited May 16, 2017 by ccneat

[bcking 3,157]

4 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

There is nothing wrong about being fiscally conservative, and that's something many Americans need to learn. There is nothing wrong with having more money, but a little conscience is also required to run a successful business. I mentioned In-N-Out burgers in an earlier thread. The owners are rich and treat their employees with the dignity they deserve, and they're just a burger joint!

 

Ya I agree. Mandating those sorts of practices would for sure cause some places to close (or change), but I don't see that as a bad thing.

[IAMX 3,055]

6 minutes ago, bcking said:

I was giving an example of someone wealthy personally explaining to me why he votes a certain way. You were asking why business owners tend to vote fiscally conservative. The examples of people I know personally all will tell me it is ultimately for them to be wealthier. I obviously can't claim to know every single business owner though. My father inheirited a "small business" (a medical practice) and thought/voted the same way. It wasn't for his employees. It was for his own personal wealth. I have other examples.

And you give me the most extreme example you can think of. 

 

What other criteria or personality traits is not my issue, it's irrelevant. Suggesting it's for their bank accounts only implies they have so much profit coming in they can easily shoulder such wage expenses being thrown at them. This is far from the truth. 

 

Your example was inadvertently fitting because the left derive their economic views based likewise on the most extreme examples hence the citing of the couple of insanely rich CEOs while ignoring the millions of business owners and partners just getting by. 

 

Business owners are well aware of the left not caring or even understanding their views will cause many to go under. Hence why they vote to protect their business because they can't expect the left to understand how it works when the left think they're millionaires. 

Edited May 16, 2017 by IAMX

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6 minutes ago, IAMX said:

And you give me the most extreme example you can think of. 

 

What other criteria or personality traits is not my issue, it's irrelevant. Suggesting it's for their bank accounts only implies they have so much profit coming in they can easily shoulder such wage expenses being thrown at them. This is far from the truth. 

 

Your example was inadvertently fitting because the left derive their economic views based likewise on the most extreme examples hence the citing of the couple of insanely rich CEOs while ignoring the millions of business owners and partners just getting by. 

I actually gave you the two examples closest to me, the examples I picked had nothing to do with the amount of wealth each person has. The friend was my best man, so when I think about a "business owner that votes fiscally conversative" I naturally thought of him (He is not a business owner himself, but his father is whom I've shared several dinners with and talked politics with and they both have the same political opinions). The second was my own father, who was a far less successful business owner but a business owner nonetheless (Employed maybe 10-15 staff by the end, started with only 2 doctors and then expanded to i think 6 before he retired).

 

My father's accountant has said similar things, owns his own accounting firm, and is similarly successful compared to my dad (not filthy rich, but has done well). I'm trying to think of other "small business" owners that I personally know. I might come up with some later but as I said I honestly was just giving you the examples that came into my head first. Of course I would think of a close friend before I think about my father's accountant.

 

I'll repeat myself again. If a company is "just getting by" and has to cut corners in terms of the wages they pay their employees, they need to call it quits.

Edited May 16, 2017 by bcking

[CaliCat 3,957]

8 minutes ago, ccneat said:

Despite being good people they still have not put an in and out near me.  Give me Animal style!

 

I always loved the place. Darn socialists!

[IAMX 3,055]

2 minutes ago, bcking said:

I actually gave you the two examples closest to me, the examples I picked had nothing to do with the amount of wealth each person has. The friend was my best man, so when I think about a "business owner that votes fiscally conversative" I naturally thought of him (He is not a business owner himself, but his father is whom I've shared several dinners with and talked politics with and they both have the same political opinions). The second was my own father, who was a far less successful business owner but a business owner nonetheless (Employed maybe 10-15 staff by the end, started with only 2 doctors and then expanded to i think 6 before he retired).

 

My father's accountant has said similar things, owns his own accounting firm, and is similarly successful compared to my dad (not filthy rich, but has done well). I'm trying to think of other "small business" owners that I personally know. I might come up with some later but as I said I honestly was just giving you the examples that I could think of.

 

I'll repeat myself again. If a company is "just getting by" and cutting corners in terms of the wages they pay their employees. They need to call it quits.

"Cutting corners"

 

Right. Minimizing expenses is what every business does, I'm sure if they were all as wealthy as your buddy they'd be paying more as well. But the vast majority of business owners are not millionaires and are doing their best to make profit with what little they do have. 

 

If there's any time you're just getting by remember this advice you gave.. you're likely cutting corners and should just call it quits. 

[Teddy B 17,252]

7 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

I always loved the place. Darn socialists!

What fools in n out burger are for paying their employees a livable wage. They will be out of business in no time, dumb socialists!!

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2 minutes ago, IAMX said:

"Cutting corners"

 

Right. Minimizing expenses is what every business does, I'm sure if they were all as wealthy as your buddy they'd be paying more as well. But the vast majority of business owners are not millionaires and are doing their best to make profit with what little they do have. 

 

If there's any time you're just getting by remember this advice you gave.. you're likely cutting corners and should just call it quits. 

Nice selective quoting.

 

I said cutting corners in terms of wages they pay their employees

 

Of course every business should minimize expenses. I was specifically refering to minimizing expenses by not paying employees a fair living wage. If you get so straped for profit that you can't maintain fair wages for your employees you need to either downsize or quit.

Edited May 16, 2017 by bcking

[Teddy B 17,252]

Just now, bcking said:

Nice selective quoting.

 

I said cutting corners in terms of wages they pay their employees

 

Of course every business should minimize expenses. I was specifically refering to minimizing expenses by not paying employees a fair living wage. If you get so straped for profit that you can't maintain fair wages for your employees you need to either downsize or quit.

[CaliCat 3,957]

2 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

What fools in n out burger are for paying their employees a livable wage. They will be out of business in no time, dumb socialists!!

 

Obviously they don't know how to run a successful profitable business, and they believe that just because you flip burgers you should not be valued any less for your work. Downright Marxism!

[IAMX 3,055]

13 minutes ago, bcking said:

Nice selective quoting.

 

I said cutting corners in terms of wages they pay their employees

 

Of course every business should minimize expenses. I was specifically refering to minimizing expenses by not paying employees a fair living wage. If you get so straped for profit that you can't maintain fair wages for your employees you need to either downsize or quit.

Paying their employees is an expense. 

 

And even with businesses that are not doing poorly they're still likely to cut staff and their hours because the added expenses for nothing are that much bigger the more people they employ. 

 

Reducing the workforce means less jobs, and those trying to get their foot in the door esp as teenagers are stuck competing with uselessly  people who think they're entitled to 15 dollars an hour flipping burgers. There's no avenue where these min wage hikes are good for anyone except the lefts sense of social justice accomplishment.. which is, in real terms, nothing at best. 

 

For people who talk up progressive income taxes they sure have no concept of the difference in income between incorporated businesses and the rest, advocating non incorporated businesses be stuck with the same standards. This is why so few in the business world care to listen to the left.. 100% childish imagination. Hiking wages does not make lazy/poor people more wealthy, nor does it make things more affordable. It only raises the price of everything and you're back to where you started. 

Edited May 16, 2017 by IAMX

[Teddy B 17,252]

11 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Obviously they don't know how to run a successful profitable business, and they believe that just because you flip burgers you should not be valued any less for your work. Downright Marxism!

Being as serious as I possibly can. For the life of me I can never figure out why working class conservatives are against better wages and working conditions for what amounts to about 90% of the entire work force. It baffles the mind how easily they are manipulated into thinking they aren't worth any more than what their bosses say they're worth. The very same bosses with most of the money.

Edited May 16, 2017 by Teddy B

[IAMX 3,055]

3 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

Being as serious as I possibly can. For the life of me I can never figure out why working class conservatives are against better wages and working conditions for what amounts to about 90% of the entire work force. It baffles the mind how easily they are manipulated into thinking they aren't worth any more than what their bosses say they're worth.

I can't imagine who is making these arguments.. got quotes? 

 

Also what's your criteria for 90% of the workforce because this is about minimum wage being raised.. are you suggesting 90% of the workforce are making minimum wage? 

Edited May 16, 2017 by IAMX

[CaliCat 3,957]

9 minutes ago, Teddy B said:

Being as serious as I possibly can. For the life of me I can never figure out why working class conservatives are against better wages and working conditions for what amounts to about 90% of the entire work force. It baffles the mind how easily they are manipulated into thinking they aren't worth any more than what their bosses say they're worth. The very same bosses with most of the money.

 

Because they have been trained to associate anything positive towards the work force as socialism and communism. It's Pavlovian in nature. 

[smilesammich 10,727]

2 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

Because they have been trained to associate anything positive towards the work force as socialism and communism. It's Pavlovian in nature. 

creating a divide in the working class has always been the priority of the upper crust..they've definitely been most successful considering the divide is felt from the lowest dwellers of working class all the way up to managerial middle class.