Kent school halts out-of-country trips

[CaliCat 3,957]

9 hours ago, Bill & Katya said:

Didn't this happen pretty much right after 9/11?  I used to travel to Ontario all the time for work and never needed a passport to enter Canada, or to return to the US, if memory serves, it was soon after 9/11 that this changed.

 

It was. Right after 9/11 they started asking for ID. 

[bcking 3,157]

Not to nitpick or anything but...

 

If you were an illegal resident in the US but had a passport from another country (Say Mexico), what would happen if you tried to fly out of the country using your non-US passport? Would they look for your visa/stamp for when you entered the US, or would they just focus on where you were going? Even if they did ask for a visa and you say "Oh sorry don't have one" since you are trying to leave the country anyway what would they do? You are already leaving, so it seems silly to deport you.

 

EDIT:

 

As for the OP - I don't really see how the trip to Osaka would have been any easier last year, I agree with others on that. I'm not familiar enough with the Canadian border to know how stringent they are if you use a state ID or something.

 

In general I agree it seems like the easier response would have been to just announce to all of the parents that children need to have valid passports if they are going to participate in these trips, and if they dno't have them they can't come. The school doesn't have to report the children that are "illegals", but they could treat it as sort of a "don't ask, don't tell" type deal. 

Edited May 3, 2017 by bcking

[CaliCat 3,957]

Just now, bcking said:

Not to nitpick or anything but...

 

If you were an illegal resident in the US but had a passport from another country (Say Mexico), what would happen if you tried to fly out of the country using your non-US passport? Would they look for your visa/stamp for when you entered the US, or would they just focus on where you were going?

 

The airlines will check your passport to ensure you have the proper documents to enter the country you're flying to. The airlines will not check you for US visas if that's what you're asking. There is no federal passport control for those leaving the US.

 

On rare occasions USCIS will have agents inside the jetway checking for passports, and canceling the visas of those who overstayed, but that is not systematically done.

[bcking 3,157]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

 

The airlines will check your passport to ensure you have the proper documents to enter the country you're flying to. The airlines will not check you for US visas if that's what you're asking. There is no federal passport control for those leaving the US.

 

On rare occasions USCIS will have agents inside the jetway checking for passports, and canceling the visas of those who overstayed, but that is not systematically done.

That is what I thought, and what I believe the other poster earlier was refering to.

 

As long as you have SOME passport/visa for your destination you can leave the country. Security/Airlines don't care if you are here legally when you are trying to leave.

Edited May 3, 2017 by bcking

[Dashinka 25,890]

39 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

 

The airlines will check your passport to ensure you have the proper documents to enter the country you're flying to. The airlines will not check you for US visas if that's what you're asking. There is no federal passport control for those leaving the US.

 

On rare occasions USCIS will have agents inside the jetway checking for passports, and canceling the visas of those who overstayed, but that is not systematically done.

I agree, the airlines are only interested in the proper authorization of the destination country.  An illegal alien leaving the US would most likely only be asked about documents for their destination country.  The issue an illegal alien would have with the US would be if they attempted to return without the proper US documents.

[CaliCat 3,957]

Just now, Bill & Katya said:

I agree, the airlines are only interested in the proper authorization of the destination country.  An illegal alien leaving the US would most likely only be asked about documents for their destination country.  The issue an illegal alien would have with the US would be if they attempted to return without the proper US documents.

And that is something we already see these days. The airlines send the USCIS a list of all the passengers that left the country on their flights, and USCIS will cross reference that information with their entry records. Anyone who overstayed on a previous visit will most likely be denied entry again, upon return. 

[bcking 3,157]

Usually showing evidence of your right to enter your destination country would require a passport and/or visa.

 

One situation where perhaps you wouldn't need a passport:

 

Say you were a French citizen living in the US illegally (you came on an ESTA and overstayed). If you then were to fly to Germany, for example, technically you don't need to show your PASSPORT to show that you have the right to enter Germany, I believe you could show your "National identity card" that gives you the right to move throughout the EU. Though I don't know if airlines in the US would look at that and realize that it would be sufficient.

[Dashinka 25,890]

1 minute ago, CaliCat said:

And that is something we already see these days. The airlines send the USCIS a list of all the passengers that left the country on their flights, and USCIS will cross reference that information with their entry records. Anyone who overstayed on a previous visit will most likely be denied entry again, upon return. 

Makes sense.  

[CaliCat 3,957]

3 minutes ago, Bill & Katya said:

Makes sense.  

 

That is the main change we've seen since 9/11. Prior to that, there was no record-keeping of I-90 forms. Soon after 9/11, the process was automated, and eventually paper I-90s were replaced by an automated process.

[Dashinka 25,890]

1 hour ago, CaliCat said:

 

That is the main change we've seen since 9/11. Prior to that, there was no record-keeping of I-90 forms. Soon after 9/11, the process was automated, and eventually paper I-90s were replaced by an automated process.

I still remember taking a trip to Rochester NY through Ontario prior to 9/11.  I crossed over at Sarnia/Pt. Huron and averaged about 85 mph, and when I made it to Lewiston the US CBP officer commented about how fast I made it there.  That made me realize that Canada and the US CBPs were sharing information.

[IAMX 3,055]

1 hour ago, Bill & Katya said:

I still remember taking a trip to Rochester NY through Ontario prior to 9/11.  I crossed over at Sarnia/Pt. Huron and averaged about 85 mph, and when I made it to Lewiston the US CBP officer commented about how fast I made it there.  That made me realize that Canada and the US CBPs were sharing information.

The irony about this is when applying for Canadian citizenship they want you to give them a list of your entries and exits as if they don't already have that information. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

So basicly what we have learned is it is next to impossible for an undocumented  Alien to leave the country thru a commercial airport. 

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

Just now, Nature Boy Flair said:

So basicly what we have learned is it is next to impossible for an undocumented  Alien to leave the country thru a commercial airport. 

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

10 minutes ago, ccneat said:

 

Exactly 😁

[Amica Nostra 4,803]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy Flair said:

Exactly 😁

what you were supposed to see

Edited May 4, 2017 by ccneat