Polyamory and K-1 visas

[no name 1]

The USCIS lists polygamy (or suspected in the OP's case) under Moral Character. I wonder what happens if the boyfriend sponsors alien...then they all break up (lol @ all)....does boyfriend still have to sponsor fiance (then spouse) ?? Or..if boyfriend sponsors fiance...shows required tax forms...girlfriend is on tax forms...ya' think this wil be an issue? Just a thought being that girlfriend wont be mentioning boyfriend. Or will she have to create a new lie?

we discussed all that back on page 7. If you want to debate, at least be informed on what's gone on!

Edited March 27, 2007 by devilette

[DA BOMB 1]

You need to look up how "moral character" and "bona fide intent" apply. I'm still betting on troll, but, like, the standard for good moral character and bona fide intent doesn't seem to preclude this guy.

Remember, it's the USC with the boyfriend; the NZ guy is just marrying a woman who's sleeping with someone else. That might make him an idiot, and it doubtless will speak to his intent, but it doesn't make his moral character bad as far as the USCIS is concerned.

Have you considered that the beneficiary may be ignorant to the current "love" situation?

Distance among dishonest individuals, offer a clear avenue of eliminating pertinant facts.

ETA: Whatever, to each his/her own. Glad that I don't live this life!!!

What if.....boyfriend and fiance are gay lovers and girlfriend isnt girlfriend OR fiance.

[Caladan 19]

And what if they're really trying to ####### sheep? I mean, seriously, if we're going to start playing the what-if game, let's at least get more creative. I don't think if they were trying to sneak over a secret gay marriage they'd use polyamory as a defense. Out of frying pan, fire, cf.

[DA BOMB 1]

And what if they're really trying to ####### sheep? I mean, seriously, if we're going to start playing the what-if game, let's at least get more creative. I don't think if they were trying to sneak over a secret gay marriage they'd use polyamory as a defense. Out of frying pan, fire, cf.

You're right. Just a thought.

[William33 110]

Lets get back to "square".

The OP, who has a boyfriend in the USA, wants to petition another person, from NZ for marriage. Further, she is interested in using the US boyfriend for the sponsor.

Anything wrong here? If you are paying attention, everyrhing is wrong here!!!!

But then again, this is an international forum..we never know.

[cheeky^Wolf 0]

Lets get back to "square".

The OP, who has a boyfriend in the USA, wants to petition another person, from NZ for marriage. Further, she is interested in using the US boyfriend for the sponsor.

Anything wrong here? If you are paying attention, everyrhing is wrong here!!!!

But then again, this is an international forum..we never know.

Isn't that why she's here? She knows it's not a run of the mill case. No need to state the bloody obvious.

If you don't agree with her predicament, why are you still posting in the thread? Let it be, it's not your life, you won't be affected. I'm sure she will go through as much red tape as you did, if not more.

And if you are under the impression that every couple ever issued a visa are in a monogamous marriage, I think you might be disappointed.

[William33 110]

Lets get back to "square".

The OP, who has a boyfriend in the USA, wants to petition another person, from NZ for marriage. Further, she is interested in using the US boyfriend for the sponsor.

Anything wrong here? If you are paying attention, everyrhing is wrong here!!!!

But then again, this is an international forum..we never know.

Isn't that why she's here? She knows it's not a run of the mill case. No need to state the bloody obvious.

If you don't agree with her predicament, why are you still posting in the thread? Let it be, it's not your life, you won't be affected. I'm sure she will go through as much red tape as you did, if not more.

And if you are under the impression that every couple ever issued a visa are in a monogamous marriage, I think you might be disappointed.

Nice. You had my respect before, but if you support this, then you have lost my respect. Does that matter? Not really. Offline, my respect means quite a lot, personally and professionally. No problem for you.

[vorpalswrd 0]

Read the rules before you let your little fingers loose on the keyboard. I could interject my Catholic beliefs on this matter but then I'd be here all day...HOWEVER...the USCIS added moral character as a requirement for a reason. The reason the OP cant find archives on the subject is because its not allowed. Let her find a lawyer...unless that lawyer is willing to lose his or her license she's out of luck. If there were no standards then CIMT wouldnt exist. The difference here is that the OP continues her lifestyle. It IS up to the USCIS to investigate on how a couple chooses to live their lives..why else are we pouring every ounce of evidence into these petitions we send in? Google it...an immigration officer will ask whether the OP practices polygamy at the interview...should she leave the boyfriend out then? Oh...lie to an immigration officer? That goes against everything this board stands for.

As has been said before, polygamy is not the same as polyamory:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/polyamory

and

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=polygamy

Please don't interject your Catholic beliefs on this matter as they are irrelevant. The purpose of K-1 is to be with the person you love. People in a polygamous relationship are not allowed to get K-1. No conflicts here, because OP does want to bring her loved one here, and she isn't in a polygamous relationship.

As you seem to be in a tiny minority with your opinion on this topic, this (topic) doesn't go against everything this board stands for.

"Oh...lie to an immigration officer? That goes against everything this board stands for."

Lying to an immigration officer does go against what this board stands for (or thats the impression I got when I joined) and I could care less if Im the minority on this subject. Its never stopped me from voicing my opinion before. Tell ya what...its not whether you're all for group love or if the OP doesnt intend on marrying the US boyfriend...its all about what the adjudicator decides. Polyamory by definition itself does not come up in any law...however if mentioned, the adjudicator would absolutely assume polygamy was the intention. If you dont see that you're really blind. The majority of politically correct posters on this thread think its a good idea to "not mention" the third wheel in this triangle. Ok. Let the "boyfriend" continue claiming her on his taxes, sponsor the beneficiary, and they can all live as one big happy family. Gimme a break.

Unless you're an AO you have no reason to make such an absolute statement. It is merely your opinion. And if I may be so blunt, it is more than obvious that you don't understand the culture of a polyamorous relationship and therefore don't know that for the majority of them, "marriage" is not a goal. I daresay if there was a way for this situation to be resolved (i.e. a non-marriage visa) that would be the preferred solution. Of course, that's just my guess.

I also haven't seen anyone suggest they outright lie to an AO. I haven't seen anyone come back and confirm that they are a dependent on the taxes. So your post here is full of suppositions based on your own perceptions and bias.

Give the rest of us a break and maybe leave the judgment at the door. Of course, that's just my opinion. *shrug* To be taken or left.

"I think you should leave your boyfriend out of this as much as possible, and have your parents co-sponsor. The USCIS doesn't need to know about your boyfriend, and to save yourself from questions of a bona fide relationship its best not to complicate it by mentioning him. Its not illegal, but there is a cultural bias against it. Don't make it anymore complicated than you need to."

"I agree. Use one of your parents, and don't bring your boyfriend into the equation at all."

so - OP listens to the ####### advice and:

"Everyones replies have been very helpful so far. I was thinking about leaving my bf out of it and then I wondered how much they would want to know about my household situation i.e. who I live with, how I pay for my housing if I dont work, etc. "

Now what? You're going to tell me that evading certain specific questions isnt exactly lying? Oh wait - here's the OP saying she's a dependant on her boyfriend's taxes:

"Either of my parents could qualify for this but I think my boyfriend would be the best choice as I am a dependent on his taxes and live soley with him."

I have more of a chance at being right about my absolute statement than you do at proving I'm wrong. It doesnt matter if the orgy members want to marry or not...how will they prove there's no intent if they even get as far as an interview? Get a grip.

I actually haven't listened to the advice of anyone yet as I am simply brainstorming my options and I will repeat again I have no intentions of lying to the USCIS about my situation. I have yet to avoid any questions on any forms as I haven't filed anything out so I still don't know exactly how I've cheated or lied. Perhaps I've missed something vital.

All of you who jump right on "this is so wrong" train need to get over yourselves. Wrong according to who? Your beliefs aren't shared by everyone. I'm pretty certain that we each do something or have done something in our lives that someone else believes is morally bankrupt. Unless you follow your particular faith to the letter and will soon be nominated for sainthood, you should be concerned with your own practices.

The OP has not done anything illegal. She may have a difficult time making a case with USCIS but none of us are going to be the ones to decide whether her petition is approved or not. She didn't ask for your judgments, she asked for practical advice. If you can't be helpful, why bother posting? Take your judgments to church.

Thank you very much.

[cheeky^Wolf 0]

Lets get back to "square".

The OP, who has a boyfriend in the USA, wants to petition another person, from NZ for marriage. Further, she is interested in using the US boyfriend for the sponsor.

Anything wrong here? If you are paying attention, everyrhing is wrong here!!!!

But then again, this is an international forum..we never know.

Isn't that why she's here? She knows it's not a run of the mill case. No need to state the bloody obvious.

If you don't agree with her predicament, why are you still posting in the thread? Let it be, it's not your life, you won't be affected. I'm sure she will go through as much red tape as you did, if not more.

And if you are under the impression that every couple ever issued a visa are in a monogamous marriage, I think you might be disappointed.

Nice. You had my respect before, but if you support this, then you have lost my respect. Does that matter? Not really. Offline, my respect means quite a lot, personally and professionally. No problem for you.

You lost any respect I may have had for you with your first post on this thread. As I don't know you offline, or online for that matter, you're correct, it doesn't matter to me.

But as you seem so hung up on respect.. perhaps you should show some for the OP. In my opinion, you are behaving in a very disrespectful manner which is bordering on childish over this whole thing.

[vorpalswrd 0]

On a side note I have never done drugs and I actually don't even drink so these accusations are interesting but unfounded. I have continued to treat everyone here with respect and can only hope the same. Also, I have yet to ask anyone to approve my relationship. Posting a question does not equal asking you to come move into my apartment. And some of you who think you are in the 1% unhelpful category -- you aren't. I will never prove to some of you that I am not a troll but would be curious to know if it's even possible to convince some of you although if I am a troll I think I should get applause for making such a convoluted story that has riled the emotions of so many. Thank you.

P.S. Yes my fiance knows I have a boyfriend...would have been hard to hide.

P.P.S. I STILL haven't lied to anyone except to my mom about the fact that I didn't melt her big red popcorn bowl in the microwave accidently when I was 10....I'm sorry momma, I'll tell her someday I swear.

Edited March 27, 2007 by vorpalswrd

[Captain Ewok 1,859]

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