Confederate Flag Prom Photo With Gun-Toting High Schoolers Backfires

[Janelle2002 3,865]

[elmcitymaven 9,711]

I don't know about you, Janelle, but as a woman of (some) colour I appreciate having a white man tell me about racism in America.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I don't know about you, Janelle, but as a woman of (some) colour I appreciate having a white man tell me about racism in America.

I'm waiting for Marvin. I don't want to say anything at all until I see his response.

[LibCampFireClub 635]

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You know I am not black. And I do recognize that blacks do face different challenges than whites in many different aspects. But for you to sit there and tell us how bad it is being black, how unfair life is for you, while you have lived a pretty easy life in the military, is complete BS - and you and I both know it. Did you struggle as a kid? Probably so. Did you struggle more than I? Maybe so. But as you said of our ancestors, neither of us really know. I imagine our struggles were different, but not necessarily any less life-changing or motivating.

And I never said black people are whiners. I was directing that remark at you. Because you whine more than ANY black person I have ever known. Whine about racism, and how tough life is, and how whites are to blame for how tough your life has been. When the truth is, you have had it pretty darn good, at least for the past 20 years. You look for racism where there is none. And you refuse to acknowledge where the blame lies often times when crimes are done surrounding blacks. You are a master player of the race card, much like Michele Obama herself, and you expect to remain so because no one will call you out on it. Hope that works out for you.

I am sure you are a decent guy, but you really need to let go of that race chip on your shoulder. If someone is oppressing you and your family today, then direct attention towards that, and have it dealt with. But if you want to point fingers at ME (or white folks in general) because of something that happened 400 years ago, then keep on whining, and expecting good things to just happen for you. I only accept responsibility for the things I have done in my lifetime, not for the past centuries of oppression that you seem to still be re-living.

Spot on

[decocker 7,198]

I don't know about you, Janelle, but as a woman of (some) colour I appreciate having a white man tell me about racism in America.

i enjoy three paragraphs of whining over marvin's 'whining'. prefaced by.. it's not about black people, followed up with a whine over a whining church.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I don't know about you, Janelle, but as a woman of (some) colour I appreciate having a white man tell me about racism in America.

I have seen more horrendous racism and real oppression than you could dream about

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I have seen more horrendous racism and real oppression than you could dream about

Poor little white man. Nobody loves him. Nobody wants to vote Republican. Is this the oppression and racism you are talking about?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Poor little white man. Nobody loves him. Nobody wants to vote Republican. Is this the oppression and racism you are talking about?

No I am talking about being tossed in a work farm and beat half to death because a white woman did not like the way you looked at her

Or having the klan show up in the middle of the night because you took a job in the cafeteria of the white school

I could go on and on

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

You know I am not black. And I do recognize that blacks do face different challenges than whites in many different aspects. But for you to sit there and tell us how bad it is being black, how unfair life is for you, while you have lived a pretty easy life in the military, is complete BS - and you and I both know it. Did you struggle as a kid? Probably so. Did you struggle more than I? Maybe so. But as you said of our ancestors, neither of us really know. I imagine our struggles were different, but not necessarily any less life-changing or motivating.

And I never said black people are whiners. I was directing that remark at you. Because you whine more than ANY black person I have ever known. Whine about racism, and how tough life is, and how whites are to blame for how tough your life has been. When the truth is, you have had it pretty darn good, at least for the past 20 years. You look for racism where there is none. And you refuse to acknowledge where the blame lies often times when crimes are done surrounding blacks. You are a master player of the race card, much like Michele Obama herself, and you expect to remain so because no one will call you out on it. Hope that works out for you.

I am sure you are a decent guy, but you really need to let go of that race chip on your shoulder. If someone is oppressing you and your family today, then direct attention towards that, and have it dealt with. But if you want to point fingers at ME (or white folks in general) because of something that happened 400 years ago, then keep on whining, and expecting good things to just happen for you. I only accept responsibility for the things I have done in my lifetime, not for the past centuries of oppression that you seem to still be re-living.

At the behest of a good friend, I'll go a different route than I originally planned.

What's this all about Dave?

Because all I did was point out how ironic it is that you call out someone's ancestors as being oppressors and part of the master race, but your ancestors came to this country and did the same thing. And because of this, you call me a whiner? Looks like I'm not the one with hurt feelings here. What's worse is, I took the high road and said maybe your family tree didn't go that route so as not to point fingers when I wasn't 100% sure. Didn't stop you from attacking me.

And how many times have I said I had a tough life? Retired, living in Hawaii, I think I'm doing pretty good considering. I've relayed stories about police brutality(that I've lived), racism(that I've experienced) and the like. I'm sorry if that's whining to you. Then you compare me to Michelle Obama? Seriously?

Honestly I thought you were better than that.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

At the behest of a good friend, I'll go a different route than I originally planned.

What's this all about Dave?

Because all I did was point out how ironic it is that you call out someone's ancestors as being oppressors and part of the master race, but your ancestors came to this country and did the same thing. And because of this, you call me a whiner? Looks like I'm not the one with hurt feelings here. What's worse is, I took the high road and said maybe your family tree didn't go that route so as not to point fingers when I wasn't 100% sure. Didn't stop you from attacking me.

And how many times have I said I had a tough life? Retired, living in Hawaii, I think I'm doing pretty good considering. I've relayed stories about police brutality(that I've lived), racism(that I've experienced) and the like. I'm sorry if that's whining to you. Then you compare me to Michelle Obama? Seriously?

Honestly I thought you were better than that.

I don't think you will get a response. Dave has it really hard here in the U.S. It's funny, we see the stuff being talked on VJ about black folks all the time, but he is saying you are a whiner and the cause of your own problems.

Sad. . . .

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

No I am talking about being tossed in a work farm and beat half to death because a white woman did not like the way you looked at her

Or having the klan show up in the middle of the night because you took a job in the cafeteria of the white school

I could go on and on

Ah, the good old days down south. When Republicans were still Democrats.

[DavenRoxy 1,073]

No, I called you a whiner because you are one of the first to cry racism, even when there is none. Not just this thread. Not just this month. Not just this year. But constantly. Here on VJ, for several years now.

Now I ask you... are you holding me responsible for what you are accusing my ancestors of? Seriously? Am I to blame if/when you were treated unfairly because of your skin color? And more to the point... have I ever treated you differently because of your color?

I cannot tell you what my ancestors did back in the beginnings of the US, except that for about the last 5 generations, we have never had anything to do with slaves. That's about as far back as I can trace things. And considering my family came not from the US nor from the UK, you may very well be off base in your allegations.

And what's wrong with comparing you to MO? You and her have more in common than you and I do, right? I mean, you must, since you both come from oppressed families. And based on your assumption that I am white and therefore the only struggle I had was getting the silver spoons out of my mouth to get them re-filled, you will never recognize that you and I may actually have more in common than you think.

Honestly, I AM better than that. I don't expect you to believe it, since I seem to be attacking you right now, nor do I expect you to like what I am saying. But if it helps you see yourself as others do, and gain from it, even if I am not "spot on" on everything I say, then I have done right by you.

My challenge to you is... try to see things around you without the race-colored glasses all the time. I'm not saying you haven't faced it, I'm just saying you have faced a LOT LESS than many blacks have in the past 20-25 years. Maybe you see yourself as a champion for those who have been treated unfairly, and that's not a bad thing, but you are going about it the wrong way IMHO.

At the behest of a good friend, I'll go a different route than I originally planned.

What's this all about Dave?

Because all I did was point out how ironic it is that you call out someone's ancestors as being oppressors and part of the master race, but your ancestors came to this country and did the same thing. And because of this, you call me a whiner? Looks like I'm not the one with hurt feelings here. What's worse is, I took the high road and said maybe your family tree didn't go that route so as not to point fingers when I wasn't 100% sure. Didn't stop you from attacking me.

And how many times have I said I had a tough life? Retired, living in Hawaii, I think I'm doing pretty good considering. I've relayed stories about police brutality(that I've lived), racism(that I've experienced) and the like. I'm sorry if that's whining to you. Then you compare me to Michelle Obama? Seriously?

Honestly I thought you were better than that.

Looks like you were wrong about me. Again.

I don't think you will get a response. Dave has it really hard here in the U.S. It's funny, we see the stuff being talked on VJ about black folks all the time, but he is saying you are a whiner and the cause of your own problems.

Sad. . . .

[decocker 7,198]

I don't know about you, Janelle, but as a woman of (some) colour I appreciate having a white man tell me about racism in America.

nails on a chalkboard.

[decocker 7,198]

No, I called you a whiner because you are one of the first to cry racism, even when there is none. Not just this thread. Not just this month. Not just this year. But constantly. Here on VJ, for several years now.

marvin is not the only poster on this forum who posts topics about minorities, racism, or injustice. not just this thread. not just this month. not just the year. but constantly. you've gone from whining about marvin to saying that you have more knowledge of his life experience than he does. somebody has a chip on their shoulder, that much is for sure.