2 NYPD officers shot, killed in ambush on cop car

[decocker 7,198]

Well of course per capita is what counts. Let's say there was 1 purple person in the U.S. and 200 million orange people. Let assume that the 1 purple person commited 10 murders, and out of the 200 million orange people, there were 20 murders committed by orange people. By your logic, orange people are more dangerous because they committed 20 murders and purple people only committed 10. Who do you think is more likely to kill someone using the above numbers?

Make sense now?

this whole argument is based on the idea that there is something about black that is inherently criminal.

[Karee 4,189]

this whole argument is based on the idea that there is something about black that is inherently criminal.

No not at all. That's what you're making it about. It's simple statistics. Why those statistics are the way they are is up for debate, but the facts are facts whether you like them or not.

There was this guy once that wrote something about an inconvenient truth. That phrase seems to apply here.

[Teddy B 17,251]

But that doesn't excuse the bias towards black people in general. The logic you're using is if every black person didn't commit crime, we wouldn't be targeted by police. The problem with this is you're saddling the responsibility of this on the folks who are trying to live life right. We shouldn't have to account for the vagrants. Because no one else has to. When the Catholic Church scandal broke a few years ago, I'm pretty sure cops weren't rushing into churches and assuming the priests were all pedophiles. When Adam Lanza went on a shooting sprees, a white guy can walked into a store with a REAL gun on his back right after the fact, and no one shot him.

So we ignore sheer numbers to focus on per capita. But crime is crime.

You are correct in saying that if fewer blacks committed crimes, that fewer black people would be targeted by police and that fewer black people would have interactions with police. It's a numbers game, you could change the race out and it would be the same for that race with the higher numbers. You shouldn't have to account for the vagrants, but when there are such disproportionate numbers like there are with black crime, unfortunately you end up doing just that.

I would disagree with you about the Catholic Church in that the image of the Catholic Church has changed dramatically since the sex abuse scandals. The Catholic Priests are much more heavily scrutinized by the parishioners and the public in general. the Catholic Church has a dark shadow cast over it since those incidents took place.

this whole argument is based on the idea that there is something about black that is inherently criminal.

No not at all. That's what you're making it about. It's simple statistics. Why those statistics are the way they are is up for debate, but the facts are facts whether you like them or not.

There was this guy once that wrote something about an inconvenient truth. That phrase seems to apply here.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Well of course per capita is what counts. Let's say there was 1 purple person in the U.S. and 200 million orange people. Let assume that the 1 purple person commited 10 murders, and out of the 200 million orange people, there were 20 murders committed by orange people. By your logic, orange people are more dangerous because they committed 20 murders and purple people only committed 10. Who do you think is more likely to kill someone using the above numbers?

Make sense now?

So, by that logic, does that mean every crime that white people are by leaps and bounds ahead(white collar comes to mind) shouldn't cops be harassing other well off white people because of those criminals?

[decocker 7,198]

No not at all. That's what you're making it about. It's simple statistics. Why those statistics are the way they are is up for debate, but the facts are facts whether you like them or not.

There was this guy once that wrote something about an inconvenient truth. That phrase seems to apply here.

that phrase does apply, but not in the sense that you're suggesting. when white collar/corporate crimes are persecuted with the same gusto and determination as the crimes poor people commit then maybe a number comparison would be worth while. until that happens, these statistics are incomplete and pretty meaningless.

[Teddy B 17,251]

So, by that logic, does that mean every crime that white people are by leaps and bounds ahead(white collar comes to mind) shouldn't cops be harassing other well off white people because of those criminals?

Well how many blacks vs. whites were arrested last year for white collar crimes? My guess is the numbers are higher for the whites. Does that not fit the profile of targeting whites and arresting whites for the crimes they are more likely to commit?

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[decocker 7,198]

Well how many black business execs vs. white business execs were arrested last year for white collar crimes? My guess is the numbers are higher for the whites. Does that not fit the profile of targeting whites and arresting whites for the crimes they are more likely to commit?

[Teddy B 17,251]

More blacks were arrested for white collar crimes than whites? I never would've thought.

[Karee 4,189]

So, by that logic, does that mean every crime that white people are by leaps and bounds ahead(white collar comes to mind) shouldn't cops be harassing other well off white people because of those criminals?

Black people don't have the opportunity to commit white collar crime on the scale that white people do. You point out all the time how black people cant get good jobs. Kinda hard to embezzle funds from a business or bank when you don't have the qualifications to get hired there in the first place.

I'll use my orange and purple comparison again.

Let's say that there are 100 orange people and 100 purple people. 99 out of 100 orange people have cars and only 5 out of 100 purple people have cars. Let's also say that 10 orange people get busted for DWI and only 3 purple people get busted for DWI. If I use your logic, you would say that orange people are more likely to drive drunk, when in reality purple people never had that opportunity for a DWI, because they don't have cars.

I'm hoping that clears it up for you.

[decocker 7,198]

More blacks were arrested for white collar crimes than whites? I never would've thought.

nope. you really think that cops out there on the beat are patrolling for leads on white collar crime? not. at. all.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Well how many blacks vs. whites were arrested last year for white collar crimes? My guess is the numbers are higher for the whites. Does that not fit the profile of targeting whites and arresting whites for the crimes they are more likely to commit?

How many businessmen do you think get pulled over and accused of being embezzlers because they're wearing an expensive three piece suit and a nice car? Not trying to be funny, just making a point about perceptions.

[Karee 4,189]

that phrase does apply, but not in the sense that you're suggesting. when white collar/corporate crimes are persecuted with the same gusto and determination as the crimes poor people commit then maybe a number comparison would be worth while. until that happens, these statistics are incomplete and pretty meaningless.

While I agree that there is an issue with disporopotinate sentencing, I'd argue that it is economic and not racial. The white collar guy (regardless of race) has a much greater chance of being a productive member of society. The common street criminal OTOH has less of a chance due to their economic circumstances.

[Teddy B 17,251]

nope. you really think that cops out there on the beat are patrolling for leads on white collar crime? not. at. all.

The main focus is on violent crimes, as it should be. But there are white collar crimes that are tried and convicted every year, do you think the majority of those convictions would be whites or blacks? A big hug for honesty on this one.

[decocker 7,198]

Black people don't have the opportunity to commit white collar crime on the scale that white people do.

exactly. and white collar/corporate is not pursued in the same fashion or at the same rate. the game is rigged.

[Karee 4,189]

How many businessmen do you think get pulled over and accused of being embezzlers because they're wearing an expensive three piece suit and a nice car? Not trying to be funny, just making a point about perceptions.

How many everyday cops come into contact with people embezzelling money? Probably not many because it's not a very common crime.

How many everyday cops come into contact with people committing burglary, assault, robbery, etc. etc. Probably a lot because it's pretty common.