Presumption of death marriage termination

[BobnRuby 1]

Does anybody here have experience with a "presumption of death" marriage termination in the Philippines and any issues with it??? We have never been able to secure a death certificate because he was thought to have died in Canada (not knowing the date and city its impossible to get a death certificate) many years ago. The only option was to have the courts deem him dead...which we did....any experiences with this???? Thanks....

[Hank_ 9,173]

Does anybody here have experience with a "presumption of death" marriage termination in the Philippines and any issues with it??? We have never been able to secure a death certificate because he was thought to have died in Canada (not knowing the date and city its impossible to get a death certificate) many years ago. The only option was to have the courts deem him dead...which we did....any experiences with this???? Thanks....

Someone else is going through this currently, do a search of posts within the last month or so.

FYI - the embassy will not accept the presumption of death, they will ask for a death certificate.

[BobnRuby 1]

Hank....I understand what you are saying...but that being said...the following is an excerpt for the US Embassy, Manila website:

A common basis for refusal is a prior marriage for the beneficiary or the petitioner that has not been legally terminated. There is no divorce in the Philippines. A consular officer will only accept a death certificate or a court ruling of annulment or of presumptive death as evidence that a Filipino marriage has been terminated. A U.S. citizen may terminate a Filipino marriage through a U.S. divorce.

And believe me...if a death certificate was obtainable, we would have several years ago.

[Hank_ 9,173]

Hank....I understand what you are saying...but that being said...the following is an excerpt for the US Embassy, Manila website:

A common basis for refusal is a prior marriage for the beneficiary or the petitioner that has not been legally terminated. There is no divorce in the Philippines. A consular officer will only accept a death certificate or a court ruling of annulment or of presumptive death as evidence that a Filipino marriage has been terminated. A U.S. citizen may terminate a Filipino marriage through a U.S. divorce.

And believe me...if a death certificate was obtainable, we would have several years ago.

Yup, I am only repeating what happened to the other couple when they when to the interview with the "presumptive death", they were told to get an actual death certificate.

And in their case it was found the guy was still alive and living in Florida (I believe), which adds to the adventure.

Doing name searches on the internet turns up nothing?

Edited March 9, 2014 by Hank_

[BobnRuby 1]

Nope...did several searches over several different years...found one matching name and number but the number was wrong...sent someone to the address and they know no such person. I have seriously hired several investigators to knock on several doors around the world...making every attempt to locate either a date/place of death, a death certificate or find the person alive...and nothing...which is why we finally went the presumptive death route....

[BobnRuby 1]

and by the way....no one that we can find has heard from this person in nearly 20 years...which in this day and age is unheard of....

[Greenbaum 12,258]

BobnRuby, on 08 Mar 2014 - 9:59 PM, said:

Does anybody here have experience with a "presumption of death" marriage termination in the Philippines and any issues with it??? We have never been able to secure a death certificate because he was thought to have died in Canada (not knowing the date and city its impossible to get a death certificate) many years ago. The only option was to have the courts deem him dead...which we did....any experiences with this???? Thanks....

Here are a couple of options to find a person who is presumed dead:

http://websearch.about.com/od/peoplesearch/f/find-dead.htm

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.methods/n6NBBh6jBlc

Try find a grave: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs&

http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/lifeevents/death/deathcertificate.shtml

http://canadaonline.about.com/od/vitalstatistics/

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Canada_Vital_Records#Deaths_.28d.C3.A9c.C3.A8s.29

http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/australia-australie/consular_services_consulaires/certificates-certificats.aspx?lang=eng

http://www.vitalcertificates.ca/

http://www.afhs.ab.ca/registry/regcan_death.html

There are more. Just do a google search for "death Canada" and lots of places show up. Some are good others not. It's a starting place for your next search.

Good luck

[BobnRuby 1]

Thanks Greenbaum...but those and many other web searches were exhausted several years ago and until recently. Along with 10's of thousands of dollars in investigation fees to chase down various leads. Believe me...I would have perfered to find him alive and have her divorce her...but that didnt happen...and it seems like the whole thing has simply fell into a black hole....