k1 AOS question

[nufcfc 1]

When applying for AOS on K-1, I know I don't need to fill in all of the I-693, but do I need to fill any of it in at all? like for example just part one where I fill in personal details? Or do I literally ignore the I-693 and just send the DS3025. Thanks

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

There is a pinned thread here all about this.

[Nich-Nick 3,354]

When applying for AOS on K-1, I know I don't need to fill in all of the I-693, but do I need to fill any of it in at all? like for example just part one where I fill in personal details? Or do I literally ignore the I-693 and just send the DS3025. Thanks

I wouldn't bother with the pinned thread. It is too long and covers things that have changed, as in many versions of the form, shot requirements, TB testing, and a recommended civil surgeon who is no longer in practice. So to help answer your question. An I -693 is for going to a civil surgeon. If you don't need immunizations recorded, then no form I-693. Repeating something I have posted before--

Do you need an I-693 immunization sheet?

Look at your DS-3025. If it has the ALL of the following items, you don't need an I-693 (Adults 19-49 yrs old).

1. Shots marked with a date (at least one of a series)

*MMR

*Td or Tdap or DT or DTP or DtaP (One no longer than 10 years ago, ie.have a booster)

*Varicella or VH written by it if you had chickenpox

*Influenza **see note below because you may be okay without it.

2. Everything else marked not age appropriate

3. RESULTS section filled in with "incomplete" and "may be eligible for blanket waiver" ticked.

4. Signed and dated by the doctor

If it's not completed like that then see a civil surgeon for the I-693. If it is complete, send a photocopy of your DS-3025.

The USCIS is supposed to have your K1 medical files, but sometimes lose them or fail to match them up with your AOS. Do not get another exam unless you get an RFE that says they do not have results of your medical. It means they lost them, but you are probably stuck with paying for a new exam. Those kinds of RFE's are not about the immunizations or the form I-693; they are because USCIS failed to match up your other medical exam results with your AOS application.

**Note on flu shot: Flu shots are required for adults of all ages (changed Nov 2010) if your UK exam was between (Oct 1 and March 31). But if the AOS adjudicator picks up your case when it is not flu season, you will be excused. And the reverse is true. The adjudicator picks up your case during flu season, but sees it was NOT flu season when you had your medical exam, you are also excused because the date they go by is the date of your exam to determine if you were current on that date. Keep in mind that if you go to a civil surgeon for an I-693, then you are resetting the medical exam date for immunizations and you may have to get second doses of shots or a flu shot to become current on your new immunization date of record.

What if I only had one dose of MMR and it's marked "insufficient time interval"? Do I need to another dose and must I see a civil surgeon before AOS?

NO you do not need to see a civil surgeon unless USCIS loses the whole medical file you turned in at POE. If you were up to date the day that DS-3025 was signed, then you're okay without getting 2nd or 3rd doses. You can get them for your health, or you can not get them ever. It was not medically appropriate for you to get dose 2 on top of dose 1. There's a time interval for doses. So you get a waiver for "insufficient time interval" of that is marked on your DS-3025.

If you are one of the unlucky ones with a lost medical, then you will have to get a full medical again. By then, enough time would have passed for dose 2 so expect the CS to say you need it. Hopefully it won't come to that.

What if I don't have a DS-3025?

If you are positive that you got the needed shots, then actually mailing in a DS-3025 photocopy is not necessary. The original form is with you other medical results and was turned over to USCIS at POE. That's actually the one that counts because it remained in the "chain of custody" so you didn't have an opportunity to alter it. The photocopy isn't really an official copy and is more for a reminder that you got complete at your visa exam. Of course without having a copy, you don't have the opportunity to see of the rest of the form was completed correctly.

[nufcfc 1]

I wouldn't bother with the pinned thread. It is too long and covers things that have changed, as in many versions of the form, shot requirements, TB testing, and a recommended civil surgeon who is no longer in practice. So to help answer your question. An I -693 is for going to a civil surgeon. If you don't need immunizations recorded, then no form I-693. Repeating something I have posted before--

Do you need an I-693 immunization sheet?

Look at your DS-3025. If it has the ALL of the following items, you don't need an I-693 (Adults 19-49 yrs old).

1. Shots marked with a date (at least one of a series)

*MMR

*Td or Tdap or DT or DTP or DtaP (One no longer than 10 years ago, ie.have a booster)

*Varicella or VH written by it if you had chickenpox

*Influenza **see note below because you may be okay without it.

2. Everything else marked not age appropriate

3. RESULTS section filled in with "incomplete" and "may be eligible for blanket waiver" ticked.

4. Signed and dated by the doctor

If it's not completed like that then see a civil surgeon for the I-693. If it is complete, send a photocopy of your DS-3025.

The USCIS is supposed to have your K1 medical files, but sometimes lose them or fail to match them up with your AOS. Do not get another exam unless you get an RFE that says they do not have results of your medical. It means they lost them, but you are probably stuck with paying for a new exam. Those kinds of RFE's are not about the immunizations or the form I-693; they are because USCIS failed to match up your other medical exam results with your AOS application.

**Note on flu shot: Flu shots are required for adults of all ages (changed Nov 2010) if your UK exam was between (Oct 1 and March 31). But if the AOS adjudicator picks up your case when it is not flu season, you will be excused. And the reverse is true. The adjudicator picks up your case during flu season, but sees it was NOT flu season when you had your medical exam, you are also excused because the date they go by is the date of your exam to determine if you were current on that date. Keep in mind that if you go to a civil surgeon for an I-693, then you are resetting the medical exam date for immunizations and you may have to get second doses of shots or a flu shot to become current on your new immunization date of record.

What if I only had one dose of MMR and it's marked "insufficient time interval"? Do I need to another dose and must I see a civil surgeon before AOS?

NO you do not need to see a civil surgeon unless USCIS loses the whole medical file you turned in at POE. If you were up to date the day that DS-3025 was signed, then you're okay without getting 2nd or 3rd doses. You can get them for your health, or you can not get them ever. It was not medically appropriate for you to get dose 2 on top of dose 1. There's a time interval for doses. So you get a waiver for "insufficient time interval" of that is marked on your DS-3025.

If you are one of the unlucky ones with a lost medical, then you will have to get a full medical again. By then, enough time would have passed for dose 2 so expect the CS to say you need it. Hopefully it won't come to that.

What if I don't have a DS-3025?

If you are positive that you got the needed shots, then actually mailing in a DS-3025 photocopy is not necessary. The original form is with you other medical results and was turned over to USCIS at POE. That's actually the one that counts because it remained in the "chain of custody" so you didn't have an opportunity to alter it. The photocopy isn't really an official copy and is more for a reminder that you got complete at your visa exam. Of course without having a copy, you don't have the opportunity to see of the rest of the form was completed correctly.

Thanks a lot for all of that. The only one I don't have is the Varicella because I couldn't get that in England. So does that mean I need to fill in the I-693? This bit of the AOS is hard.

[Nich-Nick 3,354]

If you told Knightsbridge you had chickenpox, they would mark that varicella line with VH and the shot is waived. If you don't have that, then you need a varicella shot to meet AOS requirements. You can get it at the doctor, a health department, a pharmacy clinic...anywhere that offers shots. Then you must find a Civil Surgeon to copy your DS-3025 shot record and the new varicella record onto an I-693. Read the instructions for the I-693 for guidance about what you should fill in in advance on the form and signatures, etc. Do not let a doctor say you need a full medical exam or a TB skin test. Keep calling and asking prices until you find one who understand you only want your shot portion done. The rest is covered by your medical exam at Knightsbridge.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Nich, if the pinned thread is old, then maybe it would be a good idea to scrap it and start a new one, with your good information being the first post?

[nufcfc 1]

If you told Knightsbridge you had chickenpox, they would mark that varicella line with VH and the shot is waived. If you don't have that, then you need a varicella shot to meet AOS requirements. You can get it at the doctor, a health department, a pharmacy clinic...anywhere that offers shots. Then you must find a Civil Surgeon to copy your DS-3025 shot record and the new varicella record onto an I-693. Read the instructions for the I-693 for guidance about what you should fill in in advance on the form and signatures, etc. Do not let a doctor say you need a full medical exam or a TB skin test. Keep calling and asking prices until you find one who understand you only want your shot portion done. The rest is covered by your medical exam at Knightsbridge.

Theres no VH marked on the line but in the 'results' box at the bottom two boxes have been ticket, the first box that has been ticked is the 'vaccine history incomplete'. and the other box ticked says 'Applicant may be eligible for blanket waiver(s) because vaccination(s) not medically appropriate (as indicated above). what does that sound like to you?

[Nich-Nick 3,354]

Theres no VH marked on the line but in the 'results' box at the bottom two boxes have been ticket, the first box that has been ticked is the 'vaccine history incomplete'. and the other box ticked says 'Applicant may be eligible for blanket waiver(s) because vaccination(s) not medically appropriate (as indicated above). what does that sound like to you?

You MAY be eligible for a blanket waiver. It doesn't doesn't say you are eligible.

Things that would make you eligible must be ticked by each shot.

The five "Not Medically Appropriate" categories are (copied from CDC)

1) Not age appropriate

For each vaccine for which administration is not age appropriate, the "Not age appropriate" waiver box must be checked. For all applicants, this box will need to be checked for at least one vaccine. For example, infants and adults do not need meningococcal vaccine, and adults do not need Hib vaccine.

2) Insufficient time interval between doses

If the minimum time interval between the last documented dose and the next required dose has not passed, the "Insufficient time interval" waiver box for that vaccine must be checked.

If administration of the single dose of a vaccine at the time of the medical examination does not complete the series for that vaccine, the "Insufficient time interval" waiver box must be checked to indicate that additional doses will be needed to complete the series for that vaccine.

3)Contraindication

If an applicant has contraindications to specific vaccines, the "Contraindication" waiver box for that vaccine must be checked.

4)Not routinely available

When the required vaccine is not licensed or not routinely available in the country where the medical examination is performed, the "Not routinely available" waiver box must be checked.

5) Not fall (flu) season

Influenza vaccine is required during the influenza (flu) season in the country of examination. The flu season usually occurs during fall and continues through early spring in temperate areas, where influenza activity peaks from December to March. Influenza occurs throughout the year in tropical areas. The influenza vaccine might be available only during the flu season in the country of examination. Therefore, if that is the case, the "Not fall (flu) season" waiver box must be checked at other times of the year.

I realize your "not routinely available" may be checked. That would be a good reason for an officer interviewing for a true immigrant visa like CR1 to waive the shot. Those people have to meet all the greencard requirements at their consulate interview because the are LPRs the minute they enter the US. A non-immigrant visa holder like the K1 can enter the US with zero shots and get them before AOS. So the excuse of not available isn't really true once in the US. You will find it available. So a K1 seeking a waiver for a shot they can get at any Walgreens is probably not going to be granted. You can certainly try it. Your AOS adjudicator may just skim over your papers and not notice.

I am trying to give true information as published in various official documents. What your adjudicator looks at or remembers the rules about is a guess. If you get an RFE, don't post that a DS-3025 doesn't work and an I -693 is required. It does work if it is absolutely complete and perfect. Yours isn't without the varicella shot or a history of having chickenpox. Give it a go and it may fly under the radar.

[nufcfc 1]

You MAY be eligible for a blanket waiver. It doesn't doesn't say you are eligible.

Things that would make you eligible must be ticked by each shot.

The five "Not Medically Appropriate" categories are (copied from CDC)

1) Not age appropriate

For each vaccine for which administration is not age appropriate, the "Not age appropriate" waiver box must be checked. For all applicants, this box will need to be checked for at least one vaccine. For example, infants and adults do not need meningococcal vaccine, and adults do not need Hib vaccine.

2) Insufficient time interval between doses

If the minimum time interval between the last documented dose and the next required dose has not passed, the "Insufficient time interval" waiver box for that vaccine must be checked.

If administration of the single dose of a vaccine at the time of the medical examination does not complete the series for that vaccine, the "Insufficient time interval" waiver box must be checked to indicate that additional doses will be needed to complete the series for that vaccine.

3)Contraindication

If an applicant has contraindications to specific vaccines, the "Contraindication" waiver box for that vaccine must be checked.

4)Not routinely available

When the required vaccine is not licensed or not routinely available in the country where the medical examination is performed, the "Not routinely available" waiver box must be checked.

5) Not fall (flu) season

Influenza vaccine is required during the influenza (flu) season in the country of examination. The flu season usually occurs during fall and continues through early spring in temperate areas, where influenza activity peaks from December to March. Influenza occurs throughout the year in tropical areas. The influenza vaccine might be available only during the flu season in the country of examination. Therefore, if that is the case, the "Not fall (flu) season" waiver box must be checked at other times of the year.

I realize your "not routinely available" may be checked. That would be a good reason for an officer interviewing for a true immigrant visa like CR1 to waive the shot. Those people have to meet all the greencard requirements at their consulate interview because the are LPRs the minute they enter the US. A non-immigrant visa holder like the K1 can enter the US with zero shots and get them before AOS. So the excuse of not available isn't really true once in the US. You will find it available. So a K1 seeking a waiver for a shot they can get at any Walgreens is probably not going to be granted. You can certainly try it. Your AOS adjudicator may just skim over your papers and not notice.

I am trying to give true information as published in various official documents. What your adjudicator looks at or remembers the rules about is a guess. If you get an RFE, don't post that a DS-3025 doesn't work and an I -693 is required. It does work if it is absolutely complete and perfect. Yours isn't without the varicella shot or a history of having chickenpox. Give it a go and it may fly under the radar.

Nice one. Thank you! I'll just put in my DS2530 with my AOS papers and hope for the best. If I get an RFE its not a massive deal since I'm here anyway. Its not like getting an RFE for the I-129F and being delayed being with your fiancé. Thanks again

[Nich-Nick 3,354]

Nice one. Thank you! I'll just put in my DS2530 with my AOS papers and hope for the best. If I get an RFE its not a massive deal since I'm here anyway. Its not like getting an RFE for the I-129F and being delayed being with your fiancé. Thanks again

Exactly! I couldn't have said that better myself.

If you get an RFE, go get a shot and a civil surgeon to sign off.

[nufcfc 1]

Exactly! I couldn't have said that better myself.

If you get an RFE, go get a shot and a civil surgeon to sign off.

Hey, sorry to bother you again. So I think I'm just going to go to Walgreens just to be safe and theres a few things I'd like to ask that I'm not sure of, once I get the shot at the store will they give me some sort of paper work to prove I've had the shot? then I will take that proof to the civil surgeon? And do I fill in some of the I-693 and take that to the civil surgeon with me? sorry about all the questions. thanks

[Nich-Nick 3,354]

Hey, sorry to bother you again. So I think I'm just going to go to Walgreens just to be safe and theres a few things I'd like to ask that I'm not sure of, once I get the shot at the store will they give me some sort of paper work to prove I've had the shot? then I will take that proof to the civil surgeon? And do I fill in some of the I-693 and take that to the civil surgeon with me? sorry about all the questions. thanks

I've never had a shot at Walgreens, so you will have to ask what kind of documentation they will give you. Since the school age population in the US needs to turn in proof of shots to the school nurse, I would guess Walgreens has figured out a way to give you a document. Yes you take that and your form from Knightsbridge, or the little red immunization book your Mum may have had, or anything from NHS. The civil surgeon will put anything your provide all on one form.

Do you know the varicella shot costs $146 at Walgreens. And the flu shot is $55. And have you called any civil surgeons to ask their prices? Price list http://www.walgreens.com/topic/pharmacy/healthcare-clinic/price-menu.jsp#prevention

I have also never done an I-693 but did you look at the instructions like I suggested? http://www.uscis.gov/i-693. Click on "Instructions for Form I-693 (286 KB PDF)"

They tell you what to do right on page 1.

Edited March 2, 2014 by Nich-Nick

[nufcfc 1]

No I haven't called the civil surgeon yet, I will do that on Monday. and ask their prices. I saw that the shot was 146 dollars per dose on the walgreens website, and it says that its a two dose series? I hope not! I still need to go through the I-693 properly, ive had a quick look but not read it thoroughly. thanks

[Nich-Nick 3,354]

No I haven't called the civil surgeon yet, I will do that on Monday. and ask their prices. I saw that the shot was 146 dollars per dose on the walgreens website, and it says that its a two dose series? I hope not! I still need to go through the I-693 properly, ive had a quick look but not read it thoroughly. thanks

You won't get two doses. There is a medically required waiting period in between. USCIS does not require you to delay immigration waiting on Dose 2. You see the civil surgeon after the shot. He can't ask for a second dose so soon after the first and marks the waiver "insufficient time interval". You are done as far as meeting immigration requirements.

[nufcfc 1]

You won't get two doses. There is a medically required waiting period in between. USCIS does not require you to delay immigration waiting on Dose 2. You see the civil surgeon after the shot. He can't ask for a second dose so soon after the first and marks the waiver "insufficient time interval". You are done as far as meeting immigration requirements.

Found a place that is gonna do it for 16 dollars. So I'm booked in today at 130. Bargain.