Epic MLK Movie doomed because Family wants to hide his Adultery .

[Danno 1,228]

The battles within the MLK family are the stuff of legend when it comes to property rights, publishing rights and anything that has to do with the profit and handling of the MKL inc inheritance and it seems this won't be changing anytime soon.

It appears now Oliver Stone has taken a walk away from what could be a block buster project based on the American Icon MLK, over the families desire to whitewash

Kings hunger for women. Though it has been all covered before in books written by those around him, the family is insistent, that his betrayals to marriage and faith not be part of the script.... and they do have the last word.

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On Eve Of MLK Day, Will Adultery Keep Epic Dr. King Movie Off The Big Screen?

Oliver Stone has run smack into the same wall on a Dr. Martin Luther King Jr biopic that directorPaul Greengrasshit when Universal kicked his MLK project Memphis to the curb two years back. Stone took to hisTwitter account today to say that DreamWorks and Warner Bros rejected his script rewrite and that he was done with the movie that also had Jamie Foxxattached. It came down to the studios — which are in lockstep with the MLK estate that brought them the right to use his famous copyrighted speeches — rejecting Stone’s characterization of long-running rumors that King Jr. engaged in extramarital affairs. “I’m told the estate & the ‘respectable’ black community that guard King’s reputation won’t approve it. They suffocate the man & the truth,” Stone tweeted. He also added a message directly to MLK: ‘I wish you could see the film I would’ve made. I fear if ‘they’ ever make it, it’ll be just another commemoration of the March on Washington.”

This is almost a carbon copy of what happened two years ago withMemphis, the superb script thatCaptain Phillips helmer Greengrass wrote and set at Universal with producer Scott Rudin. The project stopped in its tracks after a version of the script found its way to the King family, and Ambassador Andrew Young, who was one of Dr. King’s closest confidants during the turbulent Civil Rights movement of the ’60s. While Universal was never really clear on why it halted the movie, blaming scheduling, it is clear that a film disowned by MLK’s family might hurt its audience appeal. This is an incredibly difficult and emotional situation because it depicts flaws in a man whose message of tolerance and equality and nonviolence still means so much to so many and has made him one of the most galvanizing figures of the 20th Century.

I read the script for Memphis – which juxtaposed MLK’s final days, haunted by Hoover’s FBI, whose agents were then thrust into a ticking-clock thriller to find his killer — and found it to be exceptionally good, and the depiction of Dr. King with a woman who wasn’t his wife was presented in matter-of-fact fashion and wasn’t a focus of the story at all. It was just there. Young understandably felt differently. “There is testimony in congressional hearings that a lot of that information was manufactured by the FBI and wasn’t true,” Young told me. “The FBI testified to that. I was saying simply, why make up a story when the true story is so great? My only concern here is honoring the message of Martin Luther King’s life, and how you can change the world without killing anybody. You’ve seen glimpses of that in the fall of the Berlin Wall, in Poland, South Africa, in a movement in Egypt that began with prayers, where even mercenaries and the most brutal soldiers have trouble shooting someone on their knees. These regimes crumbled before nonviolent demonstrations, and that is a message the world needs.”

I suggested that when films canonize subjects, audiences can sense it, and that is why good biopics mix reverence with warts-and-all treatment. Young said: “It’s not wrong if the warts are there. But we had the most powerful and understanding wives in history: Coretta, my wife Jean, and Ralph Abernathy’s wife Juanita. These women were more dedicated and enthusiastic in pushing us into these struggles than anybody, and the inference Coretta might have been upset about Martin being gone so much or them having marital troubles, it’s just not true. Maybe I’m piqued because nobody read my book, and I tried to be honest, and I was there. We were struggling with history that we didn’t even understand, but somehow by the grace of God it came out right. We were trying to change the world — not by any means necessary, but by being dedicated to loving our enemies and praying for those who persecuted us. That’s hard to believe in this day and age. But I can remember when everybody had guns in the South, and after Martin’s house was bombed, they all came. He sent them home. Time after time, our nonviolent commitment was put the test, but that was one test we passed, even in extremely difficult circumstances.” Young said he offered input on Memphis but hasn’t heard back. “I said I would pay my own way to LA to sit with the writers, tell what really went on, and give them names, but nobody took me up on it,” he said.

Related: Paul Greengrass: Isn’t It High Time For ‘Memphis’?

Stone had no choice to move off the project, which has to be blessed by Dr. King’s heirs. Greengrass has no such shackles. When I interviewed Greengrass recently, he promised that he will make the film. He just wants to do something else beforehand as he takes his time to find the right actor to play the Civil Rights leader. Here are the comments he made, right after the death of Nelson Mandela, whose recently released biopic Mandela: Long Walk To Freedomshowed the former South African leader in a less than flattering light that included extramarital affairs. By the way, it didn’t undermine Mandela’s evolution and heroism.

“You’ll definitely see it, I’m just not quite ready to do it yet,” Greengrass told me recently. “I don’t think it will be next. I didn’t want Memphis to come out when it was all about the King of ‘I have a dream.’ There’s an arc to that very great life, somewhat the reverse of Mandela’s life. 1963 was a moment of transcendent oratorical achievement that in the following year ushered in busing rights and other civil rights acts. I was more interested in the King of ’68, very late in his life, when I think he was having a crisis of faith. That felt real to me. My family, on my father’s side, is strict Baptist. I understand the valleys and the mountains of growing up with that, in a British context. The way I see it is, any time between now and four or five years’ time it will be time to make that movie. I also need to meet the actor who’ll play him.”

These fact-based films continue to present creative quandaries, the latest of which is The Wolf Of Wall Street, which got a haul of Oscar nominations this week including Best Picture. It was among five fact-based stories that got Best Picture noms. Even though there are pitfalls, fact-based films are often the most satisfying and enduring films Hollywood makes. But DreamWorks and Warner Bros are in a bind here. Stone is right, the forgettable biopics are the ones that are too reverent to their subject. “Martin, I grieve for you,” Stone wrote. “You are still a great inspiration for your fellow Americans–but thank God, not a saint.”

http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/on-eve-of-mlk-day-will-adultery-keep-epic-dr-king-movie-off-the-big-screen/

Edited January 18, 2014 by Danno

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Are there any pics of any of these babes he was supposedly banging? Would be kind of cool to see what kind of babe a cultural icon enjoyed.

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Hey Danno, you still comparing yourself to the Great Emancipator? Just wondering how getting some black perspective is going, since you care so much yet still have no black friends.

[Danno 1,228]

Hey Danno, you still comparing yourself to the Great Emancipator? Just wondering how getting some black perspective is going, since you care so much yet still have no black friends.

Black perspective: What exactly is that, do Blacks think monolithically?

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Black perspective: What exactly is that, do Blacks think monolithically?

No, but how do you get some when you don't know any personally?

[Danno 1,228]

Are there any pics of any of these babes he was supposedly banging? Would be kind of cool to see what kind of babe a cultural icon enjoyed.

You might be onto sumthing here.... we could do a Kennedy-King comparison.

Of course Kennedy is a little disadvantaged in that KIngs details are still under lock and key and will be for another decade or so.

And when it comes to Kennedy, rumor is fact, with MLK rumor is taboo.

[Danno 1,228]

No, but how do you get some when you don't know any personally?

Again, I have been a lot closer to Blacks than the "great emancipator" and yet his lack of personal contact seemed trivial.

He proceeded on morals and principles rather than a sprinkling of interactions.

Take note of that.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The battles within the MLK family are the stuff of legend when it comes to property rights, publishing rights and anything that has to do with the profit and handling of the MKL inc inheritance and it seems this won't be changing anytime soon.

It appears now Oliver Stone has taken a walk away from what could be a block buster project based on the American Icon MLK, over the families desire to whitewash

Kings hunger for women. Though it has been all covered before in books written by those around him, the family is insistent, that his betrayals to marriage and faith not be part of the script.... and they do have the last word.

==================================================================

On Eve Of MLK Day, Will Adultery Keep Epic Dr. King Movie Off The Big Screen?

Oliver Stone has run smack into the same wall on a Dr. Martin Luther King Jr biopic that directorPaul Greengrasshit when Universal kicked his MLK project Memphis to the curb two years back. Stone took to hisTwitter account today to say that DreamWorks and Warner Bros rejected his script rewrite and that he was done with the movie that also had Jamie Foxxattached. It came down to the studios — which are in lockstep with the MLK estate that brought them the right to use his famous copyrighted speeches — rejecting Stone’s characterization of long-running rumors that King Jr. engaged in extramarital affairs. “I’m told the estate & the ‘respectable’ black community that guard King’s reputation won’t approve it. They suffocate the man & the truth,” Stone tweeted. He also added a message directly to MLK: ‘I wish you could see the film I would’ve made. I fear if ‘they’ ever make it, it’ll be just another commemoration of the March on Washington.”

This is almost a carbon copy of what happened two years ago withMemphis, the superb script thatCaptain Phillips helmer Greengrass wrote and set at Universal with producer Scott Rudin. The project stopped in its tracks after a version of the script found its way to the King family, and Ambassador Andrew Young, who was one of Dr. King’s closest confidants during the turbulent Civil Rights movement of the ’60s. While Universal was never really clear on why it halted the movie, blaming scheduling, it is clear that a film disowned by MLK’s family might hurt its audience appeal. This is an incredibly difficult and emotional situation because it depicts flaws in a man whose message of tolerance and equality and nonviolence still means so much to so many and has made him one of the most galvanizing figures of the 20th Century.

I read the script for Memphis – which juxtaposed MLK’s final days, haunted by Hoover’s FBI, whose agents were then thrust into a ticking-clock thriller to find his killer — and found it to be exceptionally good, and the depiction of Dr. King with a woman who wasn’t his wife was presented in matter-of-fact fashion and wasn’t a focus of the story at all. It was just there. Young understandably felt differently. “There is testimony in congressional hearings that a lot of that information was manufactured by the FBI and wasn’t true,” Young told me. “The FBI testified to that. I was saying simply, why make up a story when the true story is so great? My only concern here is honoring the message of Martin Luther King’s life, and how you can change the world without killing anybody. You’ve seen glimpses of that in the fall of the Berlin Wall, in Poland, South Africa, in a movement in Egypt that began with prayers, where even mercenaries and the most brutal soldiers have trouble shooting someone on their knees. These regimes crumbled before nonviolent demonstrations, and that is a message the world needs.”

I suggested that when films canonize subjects, audiences can sense it, and that is why good biopics mix reverence with warts-and-all treatment. Young said: “It’s not wrong if the warts are there. But we had the most powerful and understanding wives in history: Coretta, my wife Jean, and Ralph Abernathy’s wife Juanita. These women were more dedicated and enthusiastic in pushing us into these struggles than anybody, and the inference Coretta might have been upset about Martin being gone so much or them having marital troubles, it’s just not true. Maybe I’m piqued because nobody read my book, and I tried to be honest, and I was there. We were struggling with history that we didn’t even understand, but somehow by the grace of God it came out right. We were trying to change the world — not by any means necessary, but by being dedicated to loving our enemies and praying for those who persecuted us. That’s hard to believe in this day and age. But I can remember when everybody had guns in the South, and after Martin’s house was bombed, they all came. He sent them home. Time after time, our nonviolent commitment was put the test, but that was one test we passed, even in extremely difficult circumstances.” Young said he offered input on Memphis but hasn’t heard back. “I said I would pay my own way to LA to sit with the writers, tell what really went on, and give them names, but nobody took me up on it,” he said.

Related: Paul Greengrass: Isn’t It High Time For ‘Memphis’?

Stone had no choice to move off the project, which has to be blessed by Dr. King’s heirs. Greengrass has no such shackles. When I interviewed Greengrass recently, he promised that he will make the film. He just wants to do something else beforehand as he takes his time to find the right actor to play the Civil Rights leader. Here are the comments he made, right after the death of Nelson Mandela, whose recently released biopic Mandela: Long Walk To Freedomshowed the former South African leader in a less than flattering light that included extramarital affairs. By the way, it didn’t undermine Mandela’s evolution and heroism.

“You’ll definitely see it, I’m just not quite ready to do it yet,” Greengrass told me recently. “I don’t think it will be next. I didn’t want Memphis to come out when it was all about the King of ‘I have a dream.’ There’s an arc to that very great life, somewhat the reverse of Mandela’s life. 1963 was a moment of transcendent oratorical achievement that in the following year ushered in busing rights and other civil rights acts. I was more interested in the King of ’68, very late in his life, when I think he was having a crisis of faith. That felt real to me. My family, on my father’s side, is strict Baptist. I understand the valleys and the mountains of growing up with that, in a British context. The way I see it is, any time between now and four or five years’ time it will be time to make that movie. I also need to meet the actor who’ll play him.”

These fact-based films continue to present creative quandaries, the latest of which is The Wolf Of Wall Street, which got a haul of Oscar nominations this week including Best Picture. It was among five fact-based stories that got Best Picture noms. Even though there are pitfalls, fact-based films are often the most satisfying and enduring films Hollywood makes. But DreamWorks and Warner Bros are in a bind here. Stone is right, the forgettable biopics are the ones that are too reverent to their subject. “Martin, I grieve for you,” Stone wrote. “You are still a great inspiration for your fellow Americans–but thank God, not a saint.”

http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/on-eve-of-mlk-day-will-adultery-keep-epic-dr-king-movie-off-the-big-screen/

I have about decided most great leaders in history where ####### dogs.I went thru that period in my mid-40's.It's hard to explain when you go thru a phase when you just got to have it no matter the consequences.

If the only thing wrong the man did is poach a little poosay, and leave us with Jesse Jackson we cool.

FDR had a side love

So did Churchill

Macarthur had a secret Filipina lover

ETC ETC

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I have about decided most great leaders in history where ####### dogs.I went thru that period in my mid-40's.It's hard to explain when you go thru a phase when you just got to have it no matter the consequences.

If the only thing wrong the man did is poach a little poosay, and leave us with Jesse Jackson we cool.

FDR had a side love

So did Churchill

Macarthur had a secret Filipina lover

ETC ETC

Wait a minute...... when he said -he would return-

he had ulterior motives?

...Friggin sly dog.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Again, I have been a lot closer to Blacks than the "great emancipator" and yet his lack of personal contact seemed trivial.

He proceeded on morals and principles rather than a sprinkling of interactions.

Take note of that.

Since my other post was removed and you brought it back up:

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

“No historian would doubt that Lincoln was a man of his times,” Dunbar told CNN. “He was a racist, and never truly believed that blacks could live in America after emancipation.”

Read more athttp://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/02/23/debunking-lincoln-great-emancipator-147827

Is that your stance Danno?

[Danno 1,228]

Since my other post was removed and you brought it back up:

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

“No historian would doubt that Lincoln was a man of his times,” Dunbar told CNN. “He was a racist, and never truly believed that blacks could live in America after emancipation.”

Read more athttp://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2013/02/23/debunking-lincoln-great-emancipator-147827

Is that your stance Danno?

Abe was not alone in his musings. Those who doubted whether Blacks and whites would ever exist as "one united people" have not been completely proven wrong, even at this late date and after the great effort made.

But that was not the point to be made, you wrongly insist my personal contact with Blacks is limited and would therefore limit the good effect I might have on race relations and the benefit my ideas might bring.

I pointed out Abe had no such relations with blacks and though in your mind he is a racist, it can't be denied he was instrumental in liberating Blacks from their chains (at least in this country).

To go farther would could also consider the one book which did more than any other (Except the Bible) to inspire the anti-slavery fires in this country,

Harriet Beecher Stowes Uncle Toms Cabin.

This devout Christian had never traveled to the south and in fact, lived in an area nearly void of Blacks she wrote a book about the issue, based on almost no research or experience..... and yet her effort changed the conscience of a nation.

The truth is Marv,nearly every positive person who was involved in this effort, had very little direct contact with Blacks, except in the area of domestic help.

It could be, my lifelong interaction might be a hinderance.... not a help.

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Abe was not alone in his musings. Those who doubted whether Blacks and whites would ever exist as "one united people" have not been completely proven wrong, even at this late date and after the great effort made.

But that was not the point to be made, you wrongly insist my personal contact with Blacks is limited and would therefore limit the good effect I might have on race relations and the benefit my ideas might bring.

I pointed out Abe had no such relations with blacks and though in your mind he is a racist, it can't be denied he was instrumental in liberating Blacks from their chains (at least in this country).

To go farther would could also consider the one book which did more than any other (Except the Bible) to inspire the anti-slavery fires in this country,

Harriet Beecher Stowes Uncle Toms Cabin.

This devout Christian had never traveled to the south and in fact, lived in an area nearly void of Blacks she wrote a book about the issue, based on almost no research or experience..... and yet her effort changed the conscience of a nation.

The truth is Marv,nearly every positive person who was involved in this effort, had very little direct contact with Blacks, except in the area of domestic help.

It could be, my lifelong interaction might be a hinderance.... not a help.

But he was a racist. So, since you compare yourself to him, what does that make you?

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But he was a racist. So, since you compare yourself to him, what does that make you?

everybody was Racist bake then by today's standards.

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everybody was Racist bake then by today's standards.

He made the comparison, not me.

My point is Danno is trying to say he is trying to elevate black people. Yet all I've seen him do is put blacks down day in, day out, on a forum that has, what, 1 and a half active members? I've yet to see a single positive story on black people since I've been here. Yet he wants to "help".

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But he was a racist. So, since you compare yourself to him, what does that make you?

You are too cute Marv.