Is it true there was no holocaust?

[Ban Hammer 14,286]

Wow, Jew and Israeli are synonymous terms?? I had no idea. So, I guess you have every right to blame me and call me an Opressor, since my whole family save my grandma was killed by Nazis. I might as well have killed Palestinians with my own hands!

And they say anti-Zionist isn't the same as anti-Semitic... I'm not a Zionist, but people sure hate on me like I am one

i'm sorry that such happened to your family, alex. and i get accused of being a zionist too because i think israel has a right to exist

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Peezey,

Please get some air. Here are some links to corruption in Palestine.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,995651,00.html

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/oreilly082602.asp

http://www.public-integrity.org/articles/publications15.htm

http://www.public-integrity.org/articles/publications5.htm

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3084

There is more information out there on the corruption. Just go to google and type in palestine+corruption+billions of money.

Lo and behold my money has been wasted going to palestine.

Um, yeah. When you post some neutral sources (and maybe some that aren't 4 years old), I'll discuss with you about the billions of money.

Peezey is right. You've cited 3 pages from the American Center for Democracy (another Islamophobia site brought to you by *none other than* Richard Perle, Inc.) and a 4th from Front Page Magazine ! Gee... not toooooo biased now, are we ?

As for your first reference, Time/CNN, which is rather more middle-of-the-road:

Well this article is indeed from several years ago, and it's talking about Arafat. It says that he had an estimated 1 billion at his death, of which he signed over $800,000 to the Palestinian Authority, and another "couple hundred million" to the PLO. Hmmmm sounds like it went to the government.

In fact, your sources only come up with figures of $3 and $4 billion during the height of Arafat's "fortune."

Now you want to know how "your" money has been wasted. Well how much of that is "your" money in the first place ? Not a single one of your articles comes up with a figure of U.S. taxpayer dollars given to Palestinians -- they give "estimates" of *total* funds received from the *entire world*, including Arab countries, the European Union, and more.

However, thanks to that neato Google thing you mentioned, you can find U.S. State Department reports that tell you (if you really want to know facts instead of conjecture and propaganda. I kind of doubt it, but I will post for the benefit of others.)

I quote:

"Since signing the Oslo accords in 1993, the U.S. government has committed more than $1.8 billion in economic assistance to the Palestinians since 1993. Approximately 80% of U.S. funding for the Palestinians has been channeled through USAID contractors and 20% through private voluntary organizations (PVOs.) According to annual foreign relations legislation, congressionally approved funds for the West Bank and Gaza Strip cannot be used for the Palestinian Authority, unless the President submits a waiver to Congress citing that doing so is in the interest of national security."

Then it goes on to list the 4 occasions in which the U.S. provided such direct assistance, totalling $81 million. And there's this:

"From 1995 - 2002, NO U.S. assistance went to the Palestinian Authority or any of its constituent bodies.

Since the election of the Hamas-dominated government, most U.S. aid money has ceased, and only a few million has been given for humanitarian purposes."

fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/68794.pdf

In fact, if you bother to read the facts, rather than sites that pander to prejudice and smear campaigns, you will see that they paint a rather bleak picture of the meagerness of Palestinian finances.

Also, according to U.S. law, and as the State Department report says, U.S. aid to Palestinians is tightly monitored in order to prevent it from being used for terror or being lost to corruption.

So it seems the facts don't quite mesh with your claim.

However, since you want to open up this subject, shall we discuss how money the U.S. taxpayer sends to Israel, how much of it is completely unmonitored, and how much of it is used in direct violation of our own laws ?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Wow, Jew and Israeli are synonymous terms?? I had no idea. So, I guess you have every right to blame me and call me an Opressor, since my whole family save my grandma was killed by Nazis. I might as well have killed Palestinians with my own hands!

And they say anti-Zionist isn't the same as anti-Semitic... I'm not a Zionist, but people sure hate on me like I am one

Alex, I have no idea where people get their ideas, on either side, not that there are only two sides.

For everyone who continues to speak in generalities to serve their own biases:

All Jews do not = Israel or Israelis

All Israelis are not zionists

All Jews are not zionists

Zionists are not only Jews

All Israelis do not support the current IDF actions against Palestinians

All Jews do not support the current IDF actions against Palestinians

All Israeils do not deny the right of Palestine to exist

All Jews do not deny the right of Palestine to exist

All Palestinians are not Muslim

All Palestinians do not support violent means to peace

All Palestinians do not deny the right of Israel to exist

disagreement with zionism is not anti-semitic

disagreement with the actions of Israeli government is not anti-semitic

disagreement with US foreign policy in regards to monetary & military support to Israel while sanctioning Palestine is not anti-semitic nor is it pro-arab

Both of these comments are excellent -- they slice right through the BS and the propaganda, and address the actual point. Many people have such misconceptions, although it's mostly through ignorance rather than conscious bigotry. Unfortunately, these misconceptions are accepted as fact, and used as justification to make all matter of hateful and prejudiced comments.

I'm not a terrorist or an anti-semite. But that doesn't stop a few people here from calling me that, simply because I dare to keep speaking out against the illegal actions of the Israeli government, and (not least of all) because I'm married to a Palestinian.

But I'm glad the subject is starting to be discussed these days. It's been "taboo" in the United States for too long.

-MK

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Their goal to eliminate or killed as many palestitians they can.

If that was their goal, there would have been no Palestinians left.

A goal isn't always achieved -- just look at Hitler. Are you saying that his goal was *not* to eliminate Jews ? Because there are still millions of Jews left in the world.

Many Zionist leaders have gone on record, clearly stating that their goal was to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible from historic Palestine. Would you like the quotes ?

[mawilson 2,133]

Their goal to eliminate or killed as many palestitians they can.[/b]

If that was their goal, there would have been no Palestinians left.

A goal isn't always achieved -- just look at Hitler. Are you saying that his goal was *not* to eliminate Jews ? Because there are still millions of Jews left in the world.

Many Zionist leaders have gone on record, clearly stating that their goal was to eliminate as many Palestinians as possible from historic Palestine. Would you like the quotes ?

"Many Zionist leaders" are not "Israel" or "Israeli people" or "Jewish people", just like all Palestinians are not suicide bombers.

Nikita2Charles claimed that "the same people that were oppressed by the German are now proud to be in charge,

to be the Opressor, Their goal to eliminate or killed as many palestitians they can" and that is simply false.

[peezey 0]

I'm not crying, I'm sickened by the thought that you could rejoice in the deaths of anyone.

Millions of Arabs rejoiced at the deaths of Americans on 9/11. I even saw a few on U.S. soil doing so.

Get this...the ones I saw celebrating were foreign soldiers who were on our soil to get trained by our military.

By the way, you are only spouting propaganda.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...091101rejoicing

[rodney22 0]

Peezey,

Great website for your information. Not in the least bit biased(bullcrap!). There is alot of misinformation on this thread, starting with you and your propaganda. I am going to start a website devoted to saving taxpayer money: (www.nomoremoneytoplo.org). That is pretty good, I might do that....

[peezey 0]

Peezey,

Great website for your information. Not in the least bit biased(bullcrap!). There is alot of misinformation on this thread, starting with you and your propaganda. I am going to start a website devoted to saving taxpayer money: (www.nomoremoneytoplo.org). That is pretty good, I might do that....

Are you freakin' kidding me??? A non-profit using volunteers to research media reports is BIASED?!

From the site:

What is the Center for Cooperative Research?

It is a 501©3 fiscally-sponsored organization. Our 501©3 sponsor is The Global Center.

Can you briefly describe the website?

The website is an experiment in open-content civic journalism. It allows people to investigate important issues by providing a space where people can collaborate on the documentation of past and current events, as well as the entities associated with those events. The website can be used to investigate topics at the local, regional, or global level. The data is displayed on the website in the form of dynamic timelines and entity profiles, and is exportable into XML so it can be shared with others for non-commercial purposes.

What kind of information is available on this website?

Information about specific events. There are currently about 6,000 events profiled in our database. Visitors can view these events by searching the database, or by browsing through timelines.

Information about specific entities. More than 4,000 entities are currently in the database. They include individuals, organizations, businesses, etc. For each entity there is an entity profile page which includes (1) information about the entity; (2) links to related entities; and (3) a chronology of all events in which the entity was an active participant. Visitors can view entity profiles by searching the database, or by clicking on one of the entity links at the bottom of an event.

Who creates the content?

Anyone who registers on the website and becomes a member of a timeline project can submit content. Membership is free. Once a user becomes a member, s/he can edit existing event summaries by clicking the edit link that is next to that event (the user must be logged in to see the edit link). In addition to editing existing events, users can also add new ones to the database. Registered users who add content are called “contributors.” Since the project is still beta, and since we do not have enough editors at this time, membership is restricted to a relatively small group of users.

Who edits the content?

Any qualified individual—an experienced contributor, professional editor, academic, journalist, graduate student, etc.—can become a content editor. Content editors, like all users, are volunteers. They verify the accuracy of entries submitted by contributors. Content editors may reject, approve, or edit and approve, submissions. After approving an entry, the entry is then copy edited.

Who copy edits?

Volunteers.

What is the purpose and significance of this website?

To provide a means for members of civil society to monitor the activities of powerful entities, such as governments, large corporations, and wealthy and influential individuals. In this capacity, the website should be regarded as an IT toolset that enables members of the public to operate as a sort of people’s intelligence agency. To initiate an investigation of a certain issue, entity, or event, a user first creates a timeline project. The user then becomes the project manager of that project and begins adding events, entities, and relationships. The data is displayed as a chronology. Project managers can define an unlimited number of category sets and categories that s/he can use to classify the events. This gives the data some structure and makes it more readable for visitors.

To further blur the line between readers and journalists. This website, like blogs and other applications that allow self-publishing, allows Big Media’s former audience to assume the roles of content creators, editors, and publishers.

To increase the efficiency of information production. This project is premised on the notion that collaboration in a networked “open-content” environment can greatly improve the efficiency and quality of information production in the public sphere as it allows contributors to build upon and improve the work of others in real time as part of a global community. This arrangement allows the production of information to take place at a level of efficiency comparable—if not superior—to that of the capital-intensive efforts of hierarchically structured private enterprises. The Center believes this improved efficiency is socially significant because products resulting from this system of production are inherently more democratic than those of the private sector since they are created by a much broader spectrum of interests and perspectives.

To increase the efficiency of information acquisition. Another objective of the Center is to increase the efficiency of research by reducing the tendency for researchers to duplicate the efforts of others. All too often, researchers—largely because of a fragmented historical record—needlessly spend a significant amount of time and energy bringing material together and identifying relationships, even though this work may have already been done by someone else. By collecting a mass of extensively cited data, this website should reduce the frequency of duplicated efforts.

To reduce the fragmentation of the historical record. This project seeks to help reduce the fragmentation of the historical record by connecting events whose temporal and spatial relationships are often obscured by a mass of contradicting and disconnected literature, the biases of the media, and the tendency for important past events to be relegated to the annals of forgotten history. By reducing the fragmentation of the historical record, this project hopes to reduce the amount of time it takes for the public to acquire a full and coherent picture of an event or issue.

To create a “history commons.” All the data in the Cooperative Research database will be exportable into XML so it can be used by other individuals and groups for non-commercial purposes. As such the historical data collected by contributors and stored in the Cooperative Research database will serve as a sort of commons for historical data.

[rodney22 0]

Peezey,

I don't care what the website says. Biased is biased. Is there any thought process in this forum...

The three principal classifications of 501©(3) organizations are as follows:

A public charity (identified in IRS terms as "not a private foundation") normally receives a substantial part of its income, directly or indirectly, from the general public or from the government. The public support must be fairly broad, not limited to a few individuals or families. Public charities are defined in the Internal Revenue Code under sections 509(a)(1) through 509(a)(4).

A private foundation, sometimes called a non-operating foundation, receives most of its income from investments and endowments. This income is used to make grants to other organizations, rather than being disbursed directly for charitable activities. Private foundations are defined in the Internal Revenue Code under section 509(a) as 501©(3) organizations which do not qualify as public charities.

A private operating foundation is a private foundation that devotes most of its earnings and assets directly to the conduct of its tax exempt purposes, rather than to making grants to other organizations for these purposes. Private operating foundations are defined in the Internal Revenue Code under section 4942(j)(3).

[peezey 0]

you're hilarious. How in the heck do you know it's biased if you don't read it or have any experience with it? You're funny.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

All Palestinians are not Muslim

All Palestinians do not support violent means to peace

All Palestinians do not deny the right of Israel to exist

I think you meant that NOT all Palestinians are Muslim. I happen to be Palestinian and Muslim.

I think you meant NOT all Palestinians support violent means to peace. I am adamantly opposed to violent means to peace.

I think you meant NOT all Palestinians deny the right of Isreal to exist. I'm one among those who do not deny Isreal's right to exist.

Am I the only Palestinian on VJ? I never thought about it until now. Insha'allah, I'm not.

Edited December 26, 2006 by szsz

[mrc 0]

I'm not crying, I'm sickened by the thought that you could rejoice in the deaths of anyone.

Millions of Arabs rejoiced at the deaths of Americans on 9/11. I even saw a few on U.S. soil doing so.

Get this...the ones I saw celebrating were foreign soldiers who were on our soil to get trained by our military.

By the way, you are only spouting propaganda.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...091101rejoicing

You're kidding, right? You're a fool if you think there was no rejoicing even if this SINGLE incident was staged. IN FACT, I EVEN SAID I SAW SOME CELEBRATING FIRSTHAND.

OMG! That article explains everything...you are so right.

Edited December 26, 2006 by mrc

[rodney22 0]

Peezey,

You have proven to be an un-informed and biased.

[peezey 0]

All Palestinians are not Muslim

All Palestinians do not support violent means to peace

All Palestinians do not deny the right of Israel to exist

I think you meant that NOT all Palestinians are Muslim. I happen to be Palestinian and Muslim.

I think you meant NOT all Palestinians support violent means to peace. I am adamantly opposed to violent means to peace.

I think you meant NOT all Palestinians deny the right of Isreal to exist. I'm one among those who do not deny Isreal's right to exist.

Am I the only Palestinian on VJ? I never thought about it until now. Insha'allah, I'm not.

I meant what you said, my sentence structure was poor at 12:30am.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

you're hilarious. How in the heck do you know it's biased if you don't read it or have any experience with it? You're funny.

I'll agree with you there. I wonder if its just me who's of the opinion that before someone writes something off as "biased", you must first be able to adequately explain how it is biased?