The other side of the raids..

[Sofiyya 1,687]

so what's the moral of the story? if u happen to live near a hispanic community or some of ur neighbors are hispanic.. go and ask them 'howdy do neighbor! do u happen to be a legal immigrant? i don't want ICE to raid my house'??? or if you are a US citizen but have a hispanic name and happen to live in a hispanic community and don't have the oh common sense of go asking 1 by 1 if they are legal or not, and get raided, to suck it up? cuz its ur damn fault?

Do you realize that Americans and LPR of Hispanic descent are often targeted for identity theft because of their Spanish names? Easier to "pass" for Jimenez than MacKenzie for many southern border crossers.

[Alex+R 0]

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Second of all, their financial gain comes at the expense of middle and lower class Americans. Both illegal immigrants and H1 visas are taking away opportunities from middle and lower class Americans ...

"Oh,I am a high-school drop out and I lost my job stocking shelves at Wal*Mart. I'd love to be a systems analyst or chemical engineer, but those darned Indians and Chinese took the jobs. Damn the H1B visa!"

LOL, like that ever happens.

[Heracles 417]

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Second of all, their financial gain comes at the expense of middle and lower class Americans. Both illegal immigrants and H1 visas are taking away opportunities from middle and lower class Americans ...

"Oh,I am a high-school drop out and I lost my job stocking shelves at Wal*Mart. I'd love to be a systems analyst or chemical engineer, but those darned Indians and Chinese took the jobs. Damn the H1B visa!"

LOL, like that ever happens.

Well why not help Americans get an education? Then again the issue is extremely complicated as on one hand the companies are trying to milk the current system while on the other hand there are so many people here who would prefer to blame the government, slavery, religion, racism, Santa Claus etc for their situation..

Edited December 23, 2006 by Infidel

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

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Second of all, their financial gain comes at the expense of middle and lower class Americans. Both illegal immigrants and H1 visas are taking away opportunities from middle and lower class Americans ...

"Oh,I am a high-school drop out and I lost my job stocking shelves at Wal*Mart. I'd love to be a systems analyst or chemical engineer, but those darned Indians and Chinese took the jobs. Damn the H1B visa!"

LOL, like that ever happens.

Well why not help Americans get an education? Then again the issue is extremely complicated as on one hand the companies are trying to milk the current system while on the other hand there are so many people here who would prefer to blame the government, slavery, religion, racism, Santa Claus etc for their situation..

THEY Will never agree, its just all about an argument!

[Alex+R 0]

Well why not help Americans get an education?

I agree with that completely. Let's lower the cost of college so more Americans can afford it again.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

Well why not help Americans get an education?

I agree with that completely. Let's lower the cost of college so more Americans can afford it again.

How about we do what it takes to get an education? Alex, for such a strong woman why do you want everything for free? ** the lazy, get goin!

[Alex+R 0]

Well why not help Americans get an education?

I agree with that completely. Let's lower the cost of college so more Americans can afford it again.

How about we do what it takes to get an education? Alex, for such a strong woman why do you want everything for free? ** the lazy, get goin!

I wouldn't call someone working 3 jobs and still saddled in ridiculous amounts of debt to attend state school "lazy"!

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I know ,You know what I mean! quit arguin just to argue.

[keltic 1]

so what's the moral of the story? if u happen to live near a hispanic community or some of ur neighbors are hispanic.. go and ask them 'howdy do neighbor! do u happen to be a legal immigrant? i don't want ICE to raid my house'??? or if you are a US citizen but have a hispanic name and happen to live in a hispanic community and don't have the oh common sense of go asking 1 by 1 if they are legal or not, and get raided, to suck it up? cuz its ur damn fault?

pedroh, i know this is a subject that touches a raw nerve in you... to answer your question, i live in an area with a lot of hispanic and indian population now, but didnt as i grew up... but from the moment i got a drivers license, i have my ID with me all the time... its in my purse, which is with me at home and anywhere i go... so if someone wanted to raid my house to see if there are illegals, there arent any and i can prove who i am with ease, so come on in and i will show you... if you have nothing to hide, there is no reason to get indignant and upset... if you do, then the govt will think that you DO have something to hide and will press matters even further... if you do have someone staying under your roof with you, i would think that you would have to know that person well enough to know if they are here legally or not... i would think you should if you are going to open your home and trust them in that deep of a way (no matter what ethnicity)

so, no... i wouldnt go around asking anyone at all if they are in this country legally... its not my job and i couldnt do anything about it anyway... only the govt can... so, if the govt asks for ID, if you have it, show it... its fairly simple...

if i am driving and get pulled over, i expect to have to show ID and registration of the vehicle... if i try to use my credit card or go to the bank, i am asked for ID all the time... does it bother me sometimes? yep... it can be annoying... but do i understand why they do it? yep... so i dig out my wallet and show it

[pedroh 21]

so what's the moral of the story? if u happen to live near a hispanic community or some of ur neighbors are hispanic.. go and ask them 'howdy do neighbor! do u happen to be a legal immigrant? i don't want ICE to raid my house'??? or if you are a US citizen but have a hispanic name and happen to live in a hispanic community and don't have the oh common sense of go asking 1 by 1 if they are legal or not, and get raided, to suck it up? cuz its ur damn fault?

pedroh, i know this is a subject that touches a raw nerve in you... to answer your question, i live in an area with a lot of hispanic and indian population now, but didnt as i grew up... but from the moment i got a drivers license, i have my ID with me all the time... its in my purse, which is with me at home and anywhere i go... so if someone wanted to raid my house to see if there are illegals, there arent any and i can prove who i am with ease, so come on in and i will show you... if you have nothing to hide, there is no reason to get indignant and upset... if you do, then the govt will think that you DO have something to hide and will press matters even further... if you do have someone staying under your roof with you, i would think that you would have to know that person well enough to know if they are here legally or not... i would think you should if you are going to open your home and trust them in that deep of a way (no matter what ethnicity)

so, no... i wouldnt go around asking anyone at all if they are in this country legally... its not my job and i couldnt do anything about it anyway... only the govt can... so, if the govt asks for ID, if you have it, show it... its fairly simple...

if i am driving and get pulled over, i expect to have to show ID and registration of the vehicle... if i try to use my credit card or go to the bank, i am asked for ID all the time... does it bother me sometimes? yep... it can be annoying... but do i understand why they do it? yep... so i dig out my wallet and show it

oh i agree with what you say, but that has a procedure, supposedly these guys from ICE entered the house and 'told' the girl they were cops with no warrant or something like that, that's what i found indignant.. i mean.. if they 'did the research' they should have known that among the illegals that live in that same trailer park there might be some american citizens that just like to live in a hispanic community. and it look like they didn't, that they just grabbed a list and said 'ok, let's grab the fernandez, rodriguez, lopez and sanchez that live in this area'..

and yea, in this area @ night there are commonly cops pulling people and asking for ID cuz there are a lot of jackasses driving drunk, with expired licenses or not registered cars.. but that's very different compared to some guy saying he's ICE and entering my house or going to my job asking for my freakin papers without a warrant.. which is anti-constitutional

[peezey 0]

so what's the moral of the story? if u happen to live near a hispanic community or some of ur neighbors are hispanic.. go and ask them 'howdy do neighbor! do u happen to be a legal immigrant? i don't want ICE to raid my house'??? or if you are a US citizen but have a hispanic name and happen to live in a hispanic community and don't have the oh common sense of go asking 1 by 1 if they are legal or not, and get raided, to suck it up? cuz its ur damn fault?

I need to worry then.

[Heracles 417]

Well why not help Americans get an education?

I agree with that completely. Let's lower the cost of college so more Americans can afford it again.

We can start by reducing the pay of overpaid lecturers..

[peezey 0]

Well why not help Americans get an education?

I agree with that completely. Let's lower the cost of college so more Americans can afford it again.

We can start by reducing the pay of overpaid lecturers..

Where does this happen? Lecturers in CA state schools make the least of any teacher in the college/university/community college system because they only get one or two classes each term, they don't qualify for benefits, and are never on a tenure track.

[sparkofcreation 0]

That being said...if cops can raid crackhouses, whorehouses, illegal gambling houses, etc., I don't see any reason why if a prior investigation warrants a raid on illegal alien houses that ICE can't do that too.

Because these individuals weren't illegal aliens. They were US citizens. And the only "prior investigation" that was done was to learn that they are Hispanic individuals.

Interesting that the article from the SPLC is missing any and all information on how many illegals that raid actually turned up or what prior investigation has led ICE to conduct the raid. Probably pieces of information that would be devastating to their "case".

I cheer the ICE for every illegal they turn up and send home. They've got to be more active. And citizens harboring, employing or otherwise assisting illegals really have no right to complain about being in the middle of any raid. They actually ought to be prosecuted for aiding those that willingly and knowingly break many laws.

but how do you know this american family was harboring illegals? what if they just happened to live in the same trailer park because they want to be close to the hispanic community? and, the landlord was not assisting illegals, he was charging them to live there.. and to my knowledge landlords don't conduct immigration status checks when someone wants to rent their places..

People that live, by choice or not, in crime- and drug infested neighborhoods are subject to having their neighboroods raided all the same. I don't see anyone suing the DEA for trying to enforce the laws. Why are the illegals and their neighbors better than other lawbreakers and their neighbors?

indeed they are illegal in teh country, that doesn't mean they're committing a crime ever second of their life within the USA, yeah, they entered illegaly, but does that mean that they are to be considered forever criminals?

They are breaking the law when entering (or failing to leave), when stealing an identity, when working, driving, etc. Their very presence is illegal, so, yes, they break the law every second of their illegal presence. forever criminals? No. They can leave.

Actually, people who have not been deported previously break the law at the moment they enter the US. Not at any other time (unless they steal someone's identity, have false documents, drive without a license, etc.).

The actual crime is called "Improper Entry by an Alien" and is defined as "Entering the United States at a time and/or place other than that designated by the Department of Homeland Security in order to avoid inspection according to immigration laws."

So no, it is not a crime to be in the United States illegally unless you have previously been deported.

[Alex+R 0]

Well why not help Americans get an education?

I agree with that completely. Let's lower the cost of college so more Americans can afford it again.

We can start by reducing the pay of overpaid lecturers..

Hehehe yeah, those overpaid lecturers at Made-Up Nonexistent University.