Larry Elder Explodes At Piers Morgan Over Zimmerman:

[GandD 5,966]

Sometimes we have to diffuse rather than escalate.

+1000

This works both ways.

It should work all ways.

[JohnR! 5,495]

black on black crime

How does it compare to white on white crime? (clue: it is a rhetorical question...)

You guys make it so easy...

Edited July 22, 2013 by Gegel

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

There is no such thing as white on white crime. The focus will always be on black people.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

+1000

It should work all ways.

It should, but in this case who was more in the wrong. I had a guy this weekend get into it with me about this case. I had to stop posting I was so heated. He said to me, why didn't he just run home? I said, why, was he in any type of danger? He said 90% or crime is caused by blacks, I said, what about white collar, rapes, and the other ones? I advocate trying the right way to calm a situation down, but if that's the case, then GZ should have just asked him before he spent 4 minutes following him.

[JohnR! 5,495]

There is no such thing as white on white crime. The focus will always be on black people.

Of course the focus will always be on black people... You don't expect the motley crew to push forward their agenda with logic and cogent discourse, do you?

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If I was black I wouldn't live in Texas. That's not a smart alec remark, just a fact.

I left the asshat state as soon as I figured it out.

[GandD 5,966]

It should, but in this case who was more in the wrong. I had a guy this weekend get into it with me about this case. I had to stop posting I was so heated. He said to me, why didn't he just run home? I said, why, was he in any type of danger? He said 90% or crime is caused by blacks, I said, what about white collar, rapes, and the other ones? I advocate trying the right way to calm a situation down, but if that's the case, then GZ should have just asked him before he spent 4 minutes following him.

He should have run home. That doesn't mean society should be that way. But, you gotta look out for you in the immediate present you know. He can't hope to control other people's actions and confronting any stranger is highly dangerous. Of course ideally GZ would not have gotten out of his car, but good luck controlling that part of the equation. TM's mistake was being to young to realize this guy could have been armed and that no good would come from confronting him.

[himher 634]

I left the asshat state as soon as I figured it out.

Texas thanks you for your sacrifice

I am sure we are all worse off here because of your selfless action.

Edited July 22, 2013 by himher

[Karee 4,189]

He should have run home. That doesn't mean society should be that way. But, you gotta look out for you in the immediate present you know. He can't hope to control other people's actions and confronting any stranger is highly dangerous. Of course ideally GZ would not have gotten out of his car, but good luck controlling that part of the equation. TM's mistake was being to young to realize this guy could have been armed and that no good would come from confronting beating him.

Fixed.

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Texas thanks you for your sacrifice

I am sure we are all worse off here because of your selfless action.

How long is it going to take you to stop being butt hurt?

I didn't think I damaged you that emotionally during our last chat.

i bet I still pay more property tax there than you

[GandD 5,966]

Fixed.

No thanks. My version was more accurate. Unless your version of the narrative is that the fight/scuffle/beating/whatever was not preceded by a verbal confrontation. As in TM leaped from the bushes to pummel GZ. Said confrontation most likely lead to the altercation.

Two fails in my mind. GZ carrying a gun and TM not thinking that GZ could be carrying a gun.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

He should have run home. That doesn't mean society should be that way. But, you gotta look out for you in the immediate present you know. He can't hope to control other people's actions and confronting any stranger is highly dangerous. Of course ideally GZ would not have gotten out of his car, but good luck controlling that part of the equation. TM's mistake was being to young to realize this guy could have been armed and that no good would come from confronting him.

Ok, by most people's comments here, GZ following him and everything else he did was not illegal nor was it a threat. So why should he run home if he wasn't in danger? Does that mean that GZ meant to hurt him?

[Karee 4,189]

No thanks. My version was more accurate. Unless your version of the narrative is that the fight/scuffle/beating/whatever was not preceded by a verbal confrontation. As in TM leaped from the bushes to pummel GZ. Said confrontation most likely lead to the altercation.

Two fails in my mind. GZ carrying a gun and TM not thinking that GZ could be carrying a gun.

I guess no one knows for sure what happened. I think it went something like GZ asking him "what are you doing here?" or something along those lines. And then TM getting pissed about being questioned and proceeding to beat on GZ. I'd hardly consider that a confrontation from GZ's end. Maybe it is. In my mind it definitely doesn't warrant a beating.

I think there's a message being lost in all these rallies and media interviews. The message is, If someone asks you a question, the proper response isn't to start pounding their face. Maybe say "#### off it's none of your business." But assaulting someone for asking you a question is a good way to get killed. TM escalated it by assaulting him and then GZ used deadly force to defend himself, as is his right to do so. If TM didn't decide to play bad a$$, he would've been home enjoying his Skittles and Iced Tea a short time after running into GZ. I'm having a hard time understand why people aren't getting that.

[Karee 4,189]

Ok, by most people's comments here, GZ following him and everything else he did was not illegal nor was it a threat. So why should he run home if he wasn't in danger? Does that mean that GZ meant to hurt him?

It's all about perception I suppose. If TM felt uneasy or worried about something, do you think the proper response is to escalate the situation and assault the person?

[GandD 5,966]

Ok, by most people's comments here, GZ following him and everything else he did was not illegal nor was it a threat. So why should he run home if he wasn't in danger? Does that mean that GZ meant to hurt him?

Who cares what people here say. They even carry guns for this exact reason. They're just fooling themselves to think that their gun will save them ever time as opposed to creating the very situation that leads to their death. If this case does not show definitively that one should avoid confrontations with strangers, what does? Yeah we know he had a right to be there, yeah we know he wasn't doing anything wrong, and yeah we know he was being followed and probably profiled. He stood up for himself and died. This is the lesson folks. Be a bad a$$ if you want but know that you're risking your life and therefore making a selfish decision in the world of all those people who depend on you and care for you. Was GZ wrong? Yes. Did that change anything? No.