My son got refused for applying U.S. Passport from USPS. HELP!

[NickD 203]

Passport rates are here:

http://travel.state.gov/passport/fees/fees_837.html

Should be able to get by with just a card for proof of USC, and augmented by the fact you do have your naturalization certificate and birth certificates proving these kids are yours. Depending on whom you talk to.

Minor Passport Card $15 DOS fee, + $25 agent fee, and the DS-11

Our clerk of court charged us $25.00 for her work, had to make out a separate check to her, if asking more for this service, must be dealing with a crook. Could be nasty and report this person to the DOS. even that postal worker that makes up their own rules as they go along.

Have to say one good thing about the good old USA, fees are published and adhered to, sure can't say this about Venezuela or Colombia, loaded with corruption and try to rob you blind. If you don't give money under the table, your application and the fee will get lost.

[erynaught 43]

As public employees, I wouldn't expect much - some know, most don't; some care, most don't. Being on top of things and excellent customer relations are not the hallmarks of public service. USPS seems to attract the deadweight for some reason. You'd be better served to go elsewhere, or at least ask to speak to the Post Master.

Edited April 2, 2013 by erynaught

[erynaught 43]

A US passport is proof of US citizenship.

If an immigration officer told you that that was not the case then they were mistaken.

Not True.

Non-Citizen US Nationals may apply and receive a US Passport.

[NickD 203]

it still behooves me as to why the USCIS can't give that 15 cent certificate to kids rather than just saying they are US citizens. Then wanting 600 bucks extra per kid, with the same exact proof they already have, again.

My wife's first job was working in patient assistance at her local hospital and helped many kids get Medicaid, unlike the USCIS, she filled out all the forms in English and was in contact with some odd 25 different governmental and charitable agencies. Would think your spouse should now be free from that I-864. There was no charge for this service, but she was bringing in 2-3 million dollars of extra business into that hospital.

It just seems to me, if you can send proof to the DOS or the USCIS, maybe that same proof would be acceptable to Medicaid, what the heck, just another governmental agency. Should have a patient assistance at your local hospital, shouldn't hurt to ask, never does, only the answer you get can hurt.

Know that it did take my wife time to learn the good from the bad agents, some would say "no" to every application, ashame this happens, but even can meet USCIS IO's that say you need more proof, even though you provided everything the law requires.

I do know the DOS will not give a passport card without complete proof you are a US citizen, would think this should be enough. They certainly don't need a passport with no intentions of traveling.

Health insurance is crazy, just a few years ago we had a non-deductible policy, then it was $500, then a $1000, now its $4,000 we have to put out before we can even get a dime back. We can pay extra for a non-deductible, but the premiums are $4,500 extra per year. Must think we are stupid because we would have to pay that whether we used it or not. Least with the deductible, think twice before making an appointment. I thought our health insurance was bad, talked to my son yesterday on this subject. He has to lay out $8,000.00 before he can collect a dime.

No longer have to walk down a dark alley if you want to get robbed.

[DaveE 178]

Not True.

Non-Citizen US Nationals may apply and receive a US Passport.

Quite true - but it cannot be inadvertantly used as proof of citizenship in that it specifically states that they are a US National, and not a citizen. Endorsement code 9 "THE BEARER IS A UNITED STATES NATIONAL AND NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN".

[DaveE 178]

DOS and USCIS do not agree on much in my opinon. They interpret law differently, and at times refuse to recognize decisions made by the other agency.

USCIS had to put out a policy memorandum to tell their agents to keep their paws out of the passport business. It seems that USCIS was actually taking passports from folks and telling them they weren't valid because USCIS interpretation of law was different from DOS. See the memo here: http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/Laws/Memoranda/2011/April/revocation-us-passport-pm-602-0036.pdf

Immigration attorneys have recognized this fact and speak of it freely: " A U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship for almost all purposes. Moreover, sometimes the U.S. Department of State differs from USCIS on whether a person derived citizenship. The DOS is more likely than USCIS to accept your proof that you are a U.S. citizen." "Some derivative citizens want a Certificate of Citizenship because unlike a U.S. passport, it does not expire. If you want a Certificate, get a U.S. passport first. That way, if USCIS denies your application for a certificate, you will already have the passport."

Read the article here: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/citizenship-now/immigration-u-s-passport-certificate-citizenship-article-1.1250531

Of course I could again tell the story of my US citizen passport holding daughter having to pay to remove conditions because USCIS would not accept the application for her mom unless she applied also.

Edited April 2, 2013 by DaveE

[NickD 203]

DOS and USCIS do not agree on much in my opinon. They interpret law differently, and at times refuse to recognize decisions made by the other agency.

USCIS had to put out a policy memorandum to tell their agents to keep their paws out of the passport business. It seems that USCIS was actually taking passports from folks and telling them they weren't valid because USCIS interpretation of law was different from DOS. See the memo here: http://www.uscis.gov...pm-602-0036.pdf

Immigration attorneys have recognized this fact and speak of it freely: " A U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship for almost all purposes. Moreover, sometimes the U.S. Department of State differs from USCIS on whether a person derived citizenship. The DOS is more likely than USCIS to accept your proof that you are a U.S. citizen." "Some derivative citizens want a Certificate of Citizenship because unlike a U.S. passport, it does not expire. If you want a Certificate, get a U.S. passport first. That way, if USCIS denies your application for a certificate, you will already have the passport."

Read the article here: http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.1250531

Of course I could again tell the story of my US citizen passport holding daughter having to pay to remove conditions because USCIS would not accept the application for her mom unless she applied also.

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