Same-sex couple fights to stop deportation, gay marriage ban

[M Charles 0]

This article from ILW was really informative on this subject: http://www.ilw.com/articles/2012,0109-shepherd.shtm

Basically, everyone who says DOMA will stop this (as in stop a gay spouse or fiancee from coming) is right. And while the president has said that his office will not bother to enforce section 3 of DOMA, INS and all of DHS says that it will continue to enforce section 3.

A gay spouse can enter the US through other means, such as an E-2, EB-5, H-1B, L1, etc. There's so many ways that they can come in, just not through a K-1, K-3, IR1 or CR1. Maybe in a few years. Clearly Obama wants to have DOMA repealed, but he can't fight too many sides at once.

M Charles

Edited July 16, 2012 by M Charles

[kytwell 179]

I already stated I don't think it's anyone's business who does what, with who. Gov't, church and other people have no business telling anyone who they should be attracted to. I agree with this. Where I disagree is making it seem that it's commonplace. Just because we are saturated with this type of thing on our TV shows or in the news or other media areas, doesn't mean it is common. And these few people aren't going to ruin the sanctity of marriage, by being able to marry or form civil unions.

But teaching that it does happen sometimes, in the same manner that sometimes heterosexuals marry, is just not accurate.

Edited July 16, 2012 by kytwell

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

[JohnR! 5,495]

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But teaching that it does happen sometimes, in the same manner that sometimes heterosexuals marry, is just not accurate.

It really does not matter before the law. At some point inter-racial marriages were in the same predicament and it took only one couple to change that.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I already stated I don't think it's anyone's business who does what, with who. Gov't, church and other people have no business telling anyone who they should be attracted to. I agree with this. Where I disagree is making it seem that it's commonplace. Just because we are saturated with this type of thing on our TV shows or in the news or other media areas, doesn't mean it is common. And these few people aren't going to ruin the sanctity of marriage, by being able to marry or form civil unions.

But teaching that it does happen sometimes, in the same manner that sometimes heterosexuals marry, is just not accurate.

You do realize homosexuality is much more common than you want to believe, right?

It's not just some small fragment of the population. Actually the only thing that even makes it look smaller than what it really is, is the fact that many people are still scared to death to come out of the closet.

The fact of the matter remains that if you allow 2 individuals to enter a government contract together that gives inherent benefits, and deny two other individuals based on the fact that they don't match the proper 'features' of the other two individuals, that's blatent discrimination.

I keep trying to explain to people that if you want to solve the problem of 'gay marriage' then you've got to eliminate 'marriage' from government period.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You do realize homosexuality is much more common than you want to believe, right?

It's not just some small fragment of the population. Actually the only thing that even makes it look smaller than what it really is, is the fact that many people are still scared to death to come out of the closet.

The fact of the matter remains that if you allow 2 individuals to enter a government contract together that gives inherent benefits, and deny two other individuals based on the fact that they don't match the proper 'features' of the other two individuals, that's blatent discrimination.

I keep trying to explain to people that if you want to solve the problem of 'gay marriage' then you've got to eliminate 'marriage' from government period.

I just +1'd you for the first time ever!

But teaching that it does happen sometimes, in the same manner that sometimes heterosexuals marry, is just not accurate.

Why? Why are you so hung up on the numbers or how common it is? Who cares?

It happens. Homosexual people get married, heterosexual people get married. Heterosexuals might get married MORE, but that doesn't mean that the homosexual marriages/relationships just stop existing. What is wrong with teaching that BOTH happen? It's a fact.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

It's cute that you talk as if this is how the majority thinks. Wake up. It's 2012. Your ignorance is in the minority now.

Sickening when people compare animals or inanimate objects to other human beings.

One day I hope you wake up and realize how ridiculous you sound.

Not in Alaska. They have one bar in Anchorage and they keep their homosexual stuff to that one bar. We don't have droughts, heat waves, tornado's, hurricanes, and we don't have that perverted ####### out in public and thank god for that.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Not in Alaska. They have one bar in Anchorage and they keep their homosexual stuff to that one bar. We don't have droughts, heat waves, tornado's, hurricanes, and we don't have that perverted ####### out in public and thank god for that.

Are the gays causing the droughts, heat waves, tornados and hurricanes?!

You might be crazier than I thought!

"JUNEAU, Alaska— The number of gay and lesbian households in Alaska grew by about 57 percent over the last decade."

Might want to start boarding up those windows and doors. The gays are coming!!

Edited July 16, 2012 by Evylin

[JohnR! 5,495]

Are the gays causing the droughts, heat waves, tornados and hurricanes?!

Yes, they are. Didnt't you get the memo!?!?!? :rofl: :rofl:

[JohnR! 5,495]

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"JUNEAU, Alaska— The number of gay and lesbian households in Alaska grew by about 57 percent over the last decade."

Might want to start boarding up those windows and doors. The gays are coming!!

According to government sources, Llandewi Brefi is the only safe place to go, because it boasts only one gay in the entire village.

[Rob & Monika 87]

I have never chosen my sexual orientation, so for me it was never a choice. I could have gone the other way for experimentstion purposes but i never even questioned that.bvHave you chosen yours and if so could you easily change or choose something else?

Sexuality is not black and white, gay or straight. Ron White had a dead on joke about gays and sex, when you watch porn, you aren't only watching lesbians, you watch the men too. And yes I could easily change it if I chose to go down that road. If I chose for sex to be what is most important in my life, I would go out and try everything and see what felt best, and live for what felt best sexually. I spent my teens and early 20's glued to pornography, and it completely warps your mind of what is right and wrong, I would have done anyone that approached me...any age, any gender. Luckily no one did and I was able to get out of that. But through it, I learned that sex is sex, and what arouses is not a male or female body, but sex itself. When you shower with your significant other, do you go nuts and try to get laid every time? Or do you have self control? When you prioritize a family, you marry the opposite sex.

I want my kids to be taught they live in a country where they can marry whoever makes them happy and where they enjoy his rights as citizens. Have you not married the person with whom you fell in love? Why should they not be given the same opportunity?

What if I fell in love with my sister or brother? What about my children? That may sound sick, but it's not that far away. There was a couple in Germany I think, they were separated at birth, that fell in love their teenage years and eventually got married. They only found out they were brother and sister after their first pregnancy, genetic tests revealed they were in fact brother and sister. They stayed together, despite the outcome, and every time she gets pregnant, they send him to jail for incest.

I know a gay guy that is my age that I have known since high school. He talked about a girl from school where he said that if he had ever taken the straight life, it would have been with her (and she was by no means a looker either). They were together briefly when her and her future husband broke up for a while. That sounds like a choice to me, spoken by a currently single gay man, about the only woman he ever dated.

Love is love, sex is sex, and marriage is marriage. They are not the same. If you open a Bible and read about David, the love of his life was a man. So much so that gay activists call him a homosexual, but no where does he admit to a sexual relationship with Jonathan. But he certainly admits to all of the women he was with, and that it was wrong of him.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Love is love, sex is sex, and marriage is marriage. They are not the same. If you open a Bible and read about David, the love of his life was a man. So much so that gay activists call him a homosexual, but no where does he admit to a sexual relationship with Jonathan. But he certainly admits to all of the women he was with, and that it was wrong of him.

For you perhaps that is true. Others may have a different take on this. For me, love and sex are intimately connected and I would not marry someone I did not love and with whom I did not enjoy having sex. The last place I would look for advice on sex would be the Torah or any other book depicting a society and habits of thousands of years ago, and I don't mean it in disrespect, so much as I question their knowledge on the subject.

However we have strayed into the subjective aspects of sex, love and marriage.

What is at the center of the discussion is whether same-sex marriage should pose a legal problem and as someone else pointed out, the number of gays is so infinitesimal small that we are spending too much time on the private lives of a small group, as though they alone could bring on the end of the universe as we know it.

Edited July 16, 2012 by Gegel

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Sexuality is not black and white, gay or straight. Ron White had a dead on joke about gays and sex, when you watch porn, you aren't only watching lesbians, you watch the men too. And yes I could easily change it if I chose to go down that road. If I chose for sex to be what is most important in my life, I would go out and try everything and see what felt best, and live for what felt best sexually. I spent my teens and early 20's glued to pornography, and it completely warps your mind of what is right and wrong, I would have done anyone that approached me...any age, any gender. Luckily no one did and I was able to get out of that. But through it, I learned that sex is sex, and what arouses is not a male or female body, but sex itself. When you shower with your significant other, do you go nuts and try to get laid every time? Or do you have self control? When you prioritize a family, you marry the opposite sex.

What if I fell in love with my sister or brother? What about my children? That may sound sick, but it's not that far away. There was a couple in Germany I think, they were separated at birth, that fell in love their teenage years and eventually got married. They only found out they were brother and sister after their first pregnancy, genetic tests revealed they were in fact brother and sister. They stayed together, despite the outcome, and every time she gets pregnant, they send him to jail for incest.

I know a gay guy that is my age that I have known since high school. He talked about a girl from school where he said that if he had ever taken the straight life, it would have been with her (and she was by no means a looker either). They were together briefly when her and her future husband broke up for a while. That sounds like a choice to me, spoken by a currently single gay man, about the only woman he ever dated.

Love is love, sex is sex, and marriage is marriage. They are not the same. If you open a Bible and read about David, the love of his life was a man. So much so that gay activists call him a homosexual, but no where does he admit to a sexual relationship with Jonathan. But he certainly admits to all of the women he was with, and that it was wrong of him.

There's absolutely no reason (other than ignorance) to compare homosexuality to incest. If two consenting adults want to live their lives together, who are you or anyone else, to tell them they can't? Don't bring the Bible into it. Great if you believe it, but not everyone does, nor does everyone have to. The Bible does not dictate how non-believers should live their lives.

There are plenty of homosexual people (men, particularly) who attempt to live heterosexual lives and it only ends up hurting them, their wives, and their families when it turns out they can't pull it off. Who, in this ignorant world, would choose to be gay? Certainly it's more convenient and "traditional" to be a heterosexual, so why can't they just flip a switch and take the easy road? Because it isn't a choice. And the majority of homosexuals you ask will you tell you that. That they've always known they were gay, that it's just how they were born, and that they never sat down one day and picked a gender to like.

It is pretty arrogant to assume you know why people are the way they are.

Edited July 16, 2012 by Evylin

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

There's absolutely no reason (other than ignorance) to compare homosexuality to incest. If two consenting adults want to live their lives together, who are you or anyone else, to tell them they can't? Don't bring the Bible into it. Great if you believe it, but not everyone does, nor does everyone have to. The Bible does not dictate how non-believers should live their lives.

There are plenty of homosexual people (men, particularly) who attempt to live heterosexual lives and it only ends up hurting them, their wives, and their families when it turns out they can't pull it off. Who, in this ignorant world, would choose to be gay? Certainly it's more convenient and "traditional" to be a heterosexual, so why can't they just flip a switch and take the easy road? Because it isn't a choice. And the majority of homosexuals you ask will you tell you that. That they've always known they were gay, that it's just how they were born, and that they never sat down one day and picked a gender to like.

It is pretty arrogant to assume you know why people are the way they are.

And I'm sure there's child molesters that knew they had a thing for kids right after they hit puberty. Probably the same with homicidal maniacs. Two guys humping their brains out through the back door is anything but normal. You can say up is down but it doesn't make it so.

Edited July 16, 2012 by Bad_Daddy

[JohnR! 5,495]

And I'm sure there's child molesters that knew they had a thing for kids right after they hit puberty. Probably the same with homicidal maniacs. Two guys humping their brains out through the back door is anything but normal. You can say up is down but it doesn't make it so.

Molesting a child is a crime. Homicide is a crime. Two consenting adults having sex is not a crime. Saying up is down is not a crime.