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Does anyone know how long or how hard it is to get a copy of a divorce decree from the UK signed by the judge?

Thank you!!


March 2010-We met

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6/8/10-6/29/10 Mark's second visit to the US

June 2010 We got engaged!

10/6/10-10/16/10 Mark's Third trip to US and our wedding

12/23/10-1/21/10 Mark's fourth trip to US

3/18/11-3/30/11 My first trip to the UK

5/18/11-5/26/11 Mark makes his 5th trip to the US

7/26/11-8/13/11 My hubby is coming out to see me again!! 6th Trip

9/27/11-10/15/11 7th trip to the US for my husband

3/8/11 - Sent I-130 Application

3/9/11 - USCIS received application

3/11/11 - Received NOA1

3/14/11 - Check cashed

3/14/11 - Touched

7/13/11- RFE

7/19/11- RFE sent via USPS over night

7/29/11 - NOA2

8/8/11- NVC Received Case

9/7/11 - Case # and IIN # assigned

9/9/11- Paid AOS fee of $88.00

10/11/11 - NVC Received AOS package

10/14/11 - NVC approved I-864 AOS package

9/13/11 - IV bill received

10/29/11 - IV bill fee paid

12/01/11 - IV packet mailed

12/14/11 - Case complete!!

01/31/12 - Medical Exam

02/07/12 - Interview-Approved!!

03/14/12 - POE - Dallas, TX

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Does anyone know how long or how hard it is to get a copy of a divorce decree from the UK signed by the judge?

Thank you!!

The UK divorce Decree Absolute is not normally signed by a judge. Did you have a copy of that letter from the court with a small red ink circle stamp? Sometimes USCIS doesn't realize that's what a UK divorce looks like.


England.gifENGLAND ---

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10-05-08 Married

AOS Timeline 5 months, 14 days 10-9-08 to 3-23-09 No interview

Removing Conditions Timeline 5 months, 20 days12-27-10 to 06-10-11 No interview

Citizenship Timeline 3 months, 26 days 12-31-11 Dallas to 4-26-12 Interview Houston

05-16-12 Oath ceremony

The journey from Fiancé to US citizenship:

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The UK divorce Decree Absolute is not normally signed by a judge. Did you have a copy of that letter from the court with a small red ink circle stamp? Sometimes USCIS doesn't realize that's what a UK divorce looks like.

That is exactly what I sent to them but it was a copy. Should I send in the original with a letter? How would I get proof that they are normally not signed?

Thank you so much for the response!!


March 2010-We met

3/24/10-4/3/10 Mark's first visit to the US

6/8/10-6/29/10 Mark's second visit to the US

June 2010 We got engaged!

10/6/10-10/16/10 Mark's Third trip to US and our wedding

12/23/10-1/21/10 Mark's fourth trip to US

3/18/11-3/30/11 My first trip to the UK

5/18/11-5/26/11 Mark makes his 5th trip to the US

7/26/11-8/13/11 My hubby is coming out to see me again!! 6th Trip

9/27/11-10/15/11 7th trip to the US for my husband

3/8/11 - Sent I-130 Application

3/9/11 - USCIS received application

3/11/11 - Received NOA1

3/14/11 - Check cashed

3/14/11 - Touched

7/13/11- RFE

7/19/11- RFE sent via USPS over night

7/29/11 - NOA2

8/8/11- NVC Received Case

9/7/11 - Case # and IIN # assigned

9/9/11- Paid AOS fee of $88.00

10/11/11 - NVC Received AOS package

10/14/11 - NVC approved I-864 AOS package

9/13/11 - IV bill received

10/29/11 - IV bill fee paid

12/01/11 - IV packet mailed

12/14/11 - Case complete!!

01/31/12 - Medical Exam

02/07/12 - Interview-Approved!!

03/14/12 - POE - Dallas, TX

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That is exactly what I sent to them but it was a copy. Should I send in the original with a letter? How would I get proof that they are normally not signed?

Thank you so much for the response!!

Before applying, I had read that people were getting RFEs because they were not recognizing it as official. Here's what I sent and it was accepted with no RFE

  • A color copy so the red seal shows up.
  • Yellow highlighter over the sentence from "it is hereby certified that said decree...." and continuing to "...marriage was thereby dissolved."
  • Highlight DATED:xxxxxxxx
  • Yellow highlighter on the teeny, tiny print in the footer that says "Decree of Absolute (divorce)"

I would repond with a letter saying something like, I believe the request for evidence to be in error because divorce decrees in the United Kingdom are not signed by a judge, but rather stamped with the seal of the court. I am again submitting a copy of my [husband's/wife's] United Kingdom Decree Absolute which is stamped in red by the (name the court however it's written on the red seal). Then send a copy with the highlighting like I did to point it all out to them.


England.gifENGLAND ---

K-1 Timeline 4 months, 19 days 03-10-08 VSC to 7-29-08 Interview London

10-05-08 Married

AOS Timeline 5 months, 14 days 10-9-08 to 3-23-09 No interview

Removing Conditions Timeline 5 months, 20 days12-27-10 to 06-10-11 No interview

Citizenship Timeline 3 months, 26 days 12-31-11 Dallas to 4-26-12 Interview Houston

05-16-12 Oath ceremony

The journey from Fiancé to US citizenship:

4 years, 2 months, 6 days

243 pages of forms/documents submitted

No RFEs

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Before applying, I had read that people were getting RFEs because they were not recognizing it as official. Here's what I sent and it was accepted with no RFE

  • A color copy so the red seal shows up.
  • Yellow highlighter over the sentence from "it is hereby certified that said decree...." and continuing to "...marriage was thereby dissolved."
  • Highlight DATED:xxxxxxxx
  • Yellow highlighter on the teeny, tiny print in the footer that says "Decree of Absolute (divorce)"

I would repond with a letter saying something like, I believe the request for evidence to be in error because divorce decrees in the United Kingdom are not signed by a judge, but rather stamped with the seal of the court. I am again submitting a copy of my [husband's/wife's] United Kingdom Decree Absolute which is stamped in red by the (name the court however it's written on the red seal). Then send a copy with the highlighting like I did to point it all out to them.

Thank you so so much for the advice. I will do exactly that and hopefully I will get my NOA2 soon after.

My goodness I would be lost with out this site and everyone who has helped me along the way.

I appreciate you taking the time to help me.


March 2010-We met

3/24/10-4/3/10 Mark's first visit to the US

6/8/10-6/29/10 Mark's second visit to the US

June 2010 We got engaged!

10/6/10-10/16/10 Mark's Third trip to US and our wedding

12/23/10-1/21/10 Mark's fourth trip to US

3/18/11-3/30/11 My first trip to the UK

5/18/11-5/26/11 Mark makes his 5th trip to the US

7/26/11-8/13/11 My hubby is coming out to see me again!! 6th Trip

9/27/11-10/15/11 7th trip to the US for my husband

3/8/11 - Sent I-130 Application

3/9/11 - USCIS received application

3/11/11 - Received NOA1

3/14/11 - Check cashed

3/14/11 - Touched

7/13/11- RFE

7/19/11- RFE sent via USPS over night

7/29/11 - NOA2

8/8/11- NVC Received Case

9/7/11 - Case # and IIN # assigned

9/9/11- Paid AOS fee of $88.00

10/11/11 - NVC Received AOS package

10/14/11 - NVC approved I-864 AOS package

9/13/11 - IV bill received

10/29/11 - IV bill fee paid

12/01/11 - IV packet mailed

12/14/11 - Case complete!!

01/31/12 - Medical Exam

02/07/12 - Interview-Approved!!

03/14/12 - POE - Dallas, TX

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Does it have to be a color copy? I have a b/w copy with me that I can highlight and send in, it also has the stamp on it.

Or should I wait a couple weeks until I can get the color one?

I don't want to rush but I would really like to get to the next step.


March 2010-We met

3/24/10-4/3/10 Mark's first visit to the US

6/8/10-6/29/10 Mark's second visit to the US

June 2010 We got engaged!

10/6/10-10/16/10 Mark's Third trip to US and our wedding

12/23/10-1/21/10 Mark's fourth trip to US

3/18/11-3/30/11 My first trip to the UK

5/18/11-5/26/11 Mark makes his 5th trip to the US

7/26/11-8/13/11 My hubby is coming out to see me again!! 6th Trip

9/27/11-10/15/11 7th trip to the US for my husband

3/8/11 - Sent I-130 Application

3/9/11 - USCIS received application

3/11/11 - Received NOA1

3/14/11 - Check cashed

3/14/11 - Touched

7/13/11- RFE

7/19/11- RFE sent via USPS over night

7/29/11 - NOA2

8/8/11- NVC Received Case

9/7/11 - Case # and IIN # assigned

9/9/11- Paid AOS fee of $88.00

10/11/11 - NVC Received AOS package

10/14/11 - NVC approved I-864 AOS package

9/13/11 - IV bill received

10/29/11 - IV bill fee paid

12/01/11 - IV packet mailed

12/14/11 - Case complete!!

01/31/12 - Medical Exam

02/07/12 - Interview-Approved!!

03/14/12 - POE - Dallas, TX

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Does it have to be a color copy? I have a b/w copy with me that I can highlight and send in, it also has the stamp on it.

Or should I wait a couple weeks until I can get the color one?

I don't want to rush but I would really like to get to the next step.

I think color makes the red stamp from the court stand out and highly suggest that. I guess I don't understand why it would take two weeks to go down to Office Max or Kinkos or your friend's who has a scanner/color printer. ????


England.gifENGLAND ---

K-1 Timeline 4 months, 19 days 03-10-08 VSC to 7-29-08 Interview London

10-05-08 Married

AOS Timeline 5 months, 14 days 10-9-08 to 3-23-09 No interview

Removing Conditions Timeline 5 months, 20 days12-27-10 to 06-10-11 No interview

Citizenship Timeline 3 months, 26 days 12-31-11 Dallas to 4-26-12 Interview Houston

05-16-12 Oath ceremony

The journey from Fiancé to US citizenship:

4 years, 2 months, 6 days

243 pages of forms/documents submitted

No RFEs

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I think color makes the red stamp from the court stand out and highly suggest that. I guess I don't understand why it would take two weeks to go down to Office Max or Kinkos or your friend's who has a scanner/color printer. ????

They only reason it would take a couple weeks is because my husband has the original and he is in the UK right now. I only have a b/w copy.

If I had the original you bet I would have went to Fed Ex and had them make me a color copy.

Sadly that is not the case. :(


March 2010-We met

3/24/10-4/3/10 Mark's first visit to the US

6/8/10-6/29/10 Mark's second visit to the US

June 2010 We got engaged!

10/6/10-10/16/10 Mark's Third trip to US and our wedding

12/23/10-1/21/10 Mark's fourth trip to US

3/18/11-3/30/11 My first trip to the UK

5/18/11-5/26/11 Mark makes his 5th trip to the US

7/26/11-8/13/11 My hubby is coming out to see me again!! 6th Trip

9/27/11-10/15/11 7th trip to the US for my husband

3/8/11 - Sent I-130 Application

3/9/11 - USCIS received application

3/11/11 - Received NOA1

3/14/11 - Check cashed

3/14/11 - Touched

7/13/11- RFE

7/19/11- RFE sent via USPS over night

7/29/11 - NOA2

8/8/11- NVC Received Case

9/7/11 - Case # and IIN # assigned

9/9/11- Paid AOS fee of $88.00

10/11/11 - NVC Received AOS package

10/14/11 - NVC approved I-864 AOS package

9/13/11 - IV bill received

10/29/11 - IV bill fee paid

12/01/11 - IV packet mailed

12/14/11 - Case complete!!

01/31/12 - Medical Exam

02/07/12 - Interview-Approved!!

03/14/12 - POE - Dallas, TX

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They only reason it would take a couple weeks is because my husband has the original and he is in the UK right now. I only have a b/w copy.

If I had the original you bet I would have went to Fed Ex and had them make me a color copy.

Sadly that is not the case. :(

Does he know anybody with a color scanner? Scan to file > email > you print on color printer.


England.gifENGLAND ---

K-1 Timeline 4 months, 19 days 03-10-08 VSC to 7-29-08 Interview London

10-05-08 Married

AOS Timeline 5 months, 14 days 10-9-08 to 3-23-09 No interview

Removing Conditions Timeline 5 months, 20 days12-27-10 to 06-10-11 No interview

Citizenship Timeline 3 months, 26 days 12-31-11 Dallas to 4-26-12 Interview Houston

05-16-12 Oath ceremony

The journey from Fiancé to US citizenship:

4 years, 2 months, 6 days

243 pages of forms/documents submitted

No RFEs

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Does he know anybody with a color scanner? Scan to file > email > you print on color printer.

Wonderful idea and I am sure he does but my other problems is the fact that not only is he is the UK but working off shore on a rig until the end of July.


March 2010-We met

3/24/10-4/3/10 Mark's first visit to the US

6/8/10-6/29/10 Mark's second visit to the US

June 2010 We got engaged!

10/6/10-10/16/10 Mark's Third trip to US and our wedding

12/23/10-1/21/10 Mark's fourth trip to US

3/18/11-3/30/11 My first trip to the UK

5/18/11-5/26/11 Mark makes his 5th trip to the US

7/26/11-8/13/11 My hubby is coming out to see me again!! 6th Trip

9/27/11-10/15/11 7th trip to the US for my husband

3/8/11 - Sent I-130 Application

3/9/11 - USCIS received application

3/11/11 - Received NOA1

3/14/11 - Check cashed

3/14/11 - Touched

7/13/11- RFE

7/19/11- RFE sent via USPS over night

7/29/11 - NOA2

8/8/11- NVC Received Case

9/7/11 - Case # and IIN # assigned

9/9/11- Paid AOS fee of $88.00

10/11/11 - NVC Received AOS package

10/14/11 - NVC approved I-864 AOS package

9/13/11 - IV bill received

10/29/11 - IV bill fee paid

12/01/11 - IV packet mailed

12/14/11 - Case complete!!

01/31/12 - Medical Exam

02/07/12 - Interview-Approved!!

03/14/12 - POE - Dallas, TX

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Wonderful idea and I am sure he does but my other problems is the fact that not only is he is the UK but working off shore on a rig until the end of July.

I know you don't want to wait, but this isn't an initial submission. This is an RFE and get it wrong and they might deny you. There's not usually a second chance. You submit a reply and if it's not enough to approve you, they deny. They can't approve until they know he is free to marry. That's why I would send an exact copy with that red stamp. They were wrong to RFE you but it's your job to do the best you can to point out your document is the only thing the UK issues. I think the red stamp is the key to the proof along with the footer saying Decree Absolute. The date highlighting just helps them find it easier. But you do what you want to do, because I'm just giving an opinion.


England.gifENGLAND ---

K-1 Timeline 4 months, 19 days 03-10-08 VSC to 7-29-08 Interview London

10-05-08 Married

AOS Timeline 5 months, 14 days 10-9-08 to 3-23-09 No interview

Removing Conditions Timeline 5 months, 20 days12-27-10 to 06-10-11 No interview

Citizenship Timeline 3 months, 26 days 12-31-11 Dallas to 4-26-12 Interview Houston

05-16-12 Oath ceremony

The journey from Fiancé to US citizenship:

4 years, 2 months, 6 days

243 pages of forms/documents submitted

No RFEs

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I just wanted to update any one who went/or is going through the same RFE request as I did for the UK divorce decree.

I sent in a b/w copy of the divorce decree along with a letter stating the following:

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

Please find enclosed certified divorce decree absolute, as collected from the ( PLACE OF DIVORCE, UK) where the divorce proceedings took place.

Having checked with the clerk, I was advised that in England divorce decree’s DO NOT carry a signature, and pointed out the stamp of Her Majesty Court Services to prove that it is certified and legal. It is a one page document. It has a stamp at the top right hand side with a crown symbol in the middle with the county court name.

The clerk also pointed out the paragraph which includes the statement “it is hereby certified that the said decree was on the (INSERT DATE ON THE DECREE), made final and absolute and that the said marriage was thereby dissolved”.

Please also see at the very bottom of the page, on the right hand side of the page the document is called a D37 DECREE OF ABSOLUTE (DIVORCE)

USCIS received my response on the 20th of July and on the 29th I received my NOA2.

I will admit I was worried about not sending a color copy but looks like I did just fine with the b/w.

Thank you to everyone who has helped me along the way so far.


March 2010-We met

3/24/10-4/3/10 Mark's first visit to the US

6/8/10-6/29/10 Mark's second visit to the US

June 2010 We got engaged!

10/6/10-10/16/10 Mark's Third trip to US and our wedding

12/23/10-1/21/10 Mark's fourth trip to US

3/18/11-3/30/11 My first trip to the UK

5/18/11-5/26/11 Mark makes his 5th trip to the US

7/26/11-8/13/11 My hubby is coming out to see me again!! 6th Trip

9/27/11-10/15/11 7th trip to the US for my husband

3/8/11 - Sent I-130 Application

3/9/11 - USCIS received application

3/11/11 - Received NOA1

3/14/11 - Check cashed

3/14/11 - Touched

7/13/11- RFE

7/19/11- RFE sent via USPS over night

7/29/11 - NOA2

8/8/11- NVC Received Case

9/7/11 - Case # and IIN # assigned

9/9/11- Paid AOS fee of $88.00

10/11/11 - NVC Received AOS package

10/14/11 - NVC approved I-864 AOS package

9/13/11 - IV bill received

10/29/11 - IV bill fee paid

12/01/11 - IV packet mailed

12/14/11 - Case complete!!

01/31/12 - Medical Exam

02/07/12 - Interview-Approved!!

03/14/12 - POE - Dallas, TX

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Having read the posts on here about RFEs for UK divorce certs, I was a little worried about mine. So just letting you know my experience. No problems at USCIS or NVC but they are just see copies (electronic processing in Canada.) I was worried what would happen at the consulate in Montreal as they can't see too many divorce certs from other countries. The first person who does the intake of paperwork was training someone so when she was looking at the divorce certs she explained to him that she looks out for the word absolute on the certificate. And that was it no question about the stamp, no signature, the state of the docs. (Over 20 years old.)

So if a consulate employee in Canada can accept them no question, then so can USCIS who will see a lot more of the same types of docs.


1 Dec 2011 Mailed I-130
8 Dec 2011 NOA 1
20 Dec 2011 NOA 2

NVC

17 Jan 2012 Phoned NVC. Case Number allocated
18 Jan 2012 Emails received re AOS fee and Agent
20 Jan 2012 Electronic opt in email sent & response received
20 Jan 2012 AOS fee paid
20 Jan 2012 Form DS-261 Choice of agent filed
27 Jan 2012 Email received re choice of agent received. Can now pay IV bill
29 Jan 2012 IV bill paid
31 Jan 2012 Received written notification case at NVC (dated 18 Jan)
8 Feb 2012 Emailed AOS
9 Feb 2012 DS-260 submitted online & docs emailed
14 Feb 2012 Case Complete
5 Mar 2012 received email - interview date 10 April
10 Apr 2012 Visa Approved
10 Apr 2012 Email from Loomis - passport picked up from Consulate

June 2012 Moved back to US

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I thought NVC wanted all Original Documents (or certified copies) and photocopies of each. A color photocopy might pass through as a certified copy, but if you don't send the original, I would bring it to interview just in case...last thing you need is for the visa to get held up for that. Just a thought. :)

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Married Sept.3,2010

02/11/2011: I130 Sent

02/21/2011: NOA1

06/22/2011: NOA2

06/30/2011: NVC

07/05/2011: DS-3032 email received

07/05/2011: DS-3032 emailed

07/06/2011: AOS Bill received

07/06/2011: AOS Fee Paid

07/09/2011: I864 Sent

07/11/2011: IV Fee Bill received

08/30/2011: IV Fee Paid

09/30/2011: IV Pkg Sent

10/24/2011: RFE (we dragged our feet from here on)

(forget all this for now, let's go on holiday!)

03/13/2012: NVC CASE COMPLETE!!

04/05/2012: Received interview appt email

06/22/2012: Medical @ Knightsbridge

06/29/2012: Interview 8am-Result: Pending

??/??/????: I601 Filed at Lock-Box

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I thought NVC wanted all Original Documents (or certified copies) and photocopies of each. A color photocopy might pass through as a certified copy, but if you don't send the original, I would bring it to interview just in case...last thing you need is for the visa to get held up for that. Just a thought. :)

That's why I said it is electronic filing for Canada. It is the intake person at the consulate who sees all the original documents. So my point was that if an employee at a consulate who can't see many UK divorce certs doesn't have a problem, then educating USCIS, as recommended, is the way to go if others have problems.


1 Dec 2011 Mailed I-130
8 Dec 2011 NOA 1
20 Dec 2011 NOA 2

NVC

17 Jan 2012 Phoned NVC. Case Number allocated
18 Jan 2012 Emails received re AOS fee and Agent
20 Jan 2012 Electronic opt in email sent & response received
20 Jan 2012 AOS fee paid
20 Jan 2012 Form DS-261 Choice of agent filed
27 Jan 2012 Email received re choice of agent received. Can now pay IV bill
29 Jan 2012 IV bill paid
31 Jan 2012 Received written notification case at NVC (dated 18 Jan)
8 Feb 2012 Emailed AOS
9 Feb 2012 DS-260 submitted online & docs emailed
14 Feb 2012 Case Complete
5 Mar 2012 received email - interview date 10 April
10 Apr 2012 Visa Approved
10 Apr 2012 Email from Loomis - passport picked up from Consulate

June 2012 Moved back to US

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