sponsor / co sponsor

[RichiJenny 14]

OK, Im asking these for my wife as Ive no clue - cos I dont file taxes in the UK.

My mother in law, father in law and wife live in the same house. so thats the household size of 3, right, they dont include me in that - even though I shall be staying there.

Wife fills out the i864, is on ssi so doesnt file taxes. She needs to write letter to explain why.

Father in law fills out i864a, encloses copies of his past 3 years tax returns.Do they both have to include a birth certificate, or copies of their passports, or both?

Father in law has to make 125% above the poverty line for the household size of 3 for the state of New Jersey?

it would be advisable for my mother in law to fill out an i864a too I believe.

Both are retired.

I think that covers my questions, Ive asked something similar before, but a)didnt understand it and b) cant find it!

Once those forms have been filled out, I think they now have to be sent to me.

[Wayne and Claudia 40]

Hey Richi, I will do my best to help you but PLEASE verify the items I am not sure on:

Household size: Should be 3 if they do not claim you or support you. I know in the US it's if you provide more than half of the support of a person.

Yes, just have wife state that she is exempt from filing taxes and the reason why. An addendum of a copy of the Tax Regulation section that states so can't hurt (what's another sheet of printer paper cost? jaja)

If your FIL is only using his income then yes, only his documents are needed. If him and his wife file jointly then I would enclose both of their documents...as we all know, better to be safe than sorry.

No, the state of New Jersey has nothing to do with any of this...It's the Federal Poverty Guideline you must go by. That guideline is the same for all 50 states.

If FIL makes enough to cover the 125% then don't go further...it only complicates the case. Federal law only requires 125% so if you show 1000% it doesn't help you further. Hope this helps

[Jen and Geert 4]

OK, Im asking these for my wife as Ive no clue - cos I dont file taxes in the UK.

My mother in law, father in law and wife live in the same house. so thats the household size of 3, right, they dont include me in that - even though I shall be staying there.

According to the directions on the AOS you only count household size of sponsors using their income to support you and your spouse are also included in house size, if sponsors have dependents on their tax return they count them too. So if your spouses parents claim each other as a dependent or are both gonna be sponsors you would add them based on those facts.

Wife fills out the i864, is on ssi so doesnt file taxes. She needs to write letter to explain why.

Yes write a letter explaining why she didn't file taxes, but also you still need to request transcripts as proof of nonfiling they ask for that in the directions, you get the proof of non filing by filling out the tax transcript request for I forget the form #.

Father in law fills out i864a, encloses copies of his past 3 years tax returns.Do they both have to include a birth certificate, or copies of their passports, or both?

IF it's just the father in law using his income then yes he needs to fill out I-864A

Father in law has to make 125% above the poverty line for the household size of 3 for the state of New Jersey?

Household counts you the beneficiary also so you must count yourself your spouse any other sponsors and their dependents if they have them on a recent tax return

it would be advisable for my mother in law to fill out an i864a too I believe.

Both are retired.

I think that covers my questions, Ive asked something similar before, but a)didnt understand it and b) cant find it!

Once those forms have been filled out, I think they now have to be sent to me.

Edited November 10, 2010 by Jen and Geert

[Jen and Geert 4]

whoever your having file an I-864a contract between household member and sponsor they have to show their birth certificate as proof of citizenship and proof that they livee with the primary sponsor your spouse, you can use drivers licence or any other kind of civil document showing they all reside at the same address.

Edited November 10, 2010 by Jen and Geert

[RichiJenny 14]

Thanks so much for that guys...its as clear as mud to me! I best copy this and send it onto her. Hopefully they'll understand it.

So its advisable to get a copy of her non-filing forms?

The household size which will include myself is 4. Wife, FIL, MIL + me

Do they include copies of their birth certificates, or originals and / or copies of their passports?

I really appreciate your help on this, its been invaluable!

[RichiJenny 14]

whoever your having file an I-864a contract between household member and sponsor they have to show their birth certificate as proof of citizenship and proof that they livee with the primary sponsor your spouse, you can use drivers licence or any other kind of civil document showing they all reside at the same address.

Do you know if they can send scanned copies of their birth certificates and driving licenses at all, or do birth certificates have to be originals for the sponsors?

[Wayne and Claudia 40]

Richi, I made one mistake...Federal Poverty Guidelines are for the 48 contiguous states...Alaska and Hawaii each have different levels...doesn't effect you but in case someone else is reading I wanted to be clear.

[Jen and Geert 4]

Thanks so much for that guys...its as clear as mud to me! I best copy this and send it onto her. Hopefully they'll understand it.

So its advisable to get a copy of her non-filing forms?

The household size which will include myself is 4. Wife, FIL, MIL + me

From what you posted it seems like it's just you 4 so as long as there are no other dependents then yes just 4.

Do they include copies of their birth certificates, or originals and / or copies of their passports?

If both in-laws are filing they seprately need their financial and civil documents to go with their separate I-864A forms yes, just birth certificate will do passport page is not required get certified BC copy from civil registers office, do not send original.I really appreciate your help on this, its been invaluable!

[Jen and Geert 4]

here's a link to that form

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4506t.pdf

on the form there's a line that your spouse will check specifically copied and pasted it below

Verification of Nonfiling, which is proof from the IRS that you did not file a return for the year. Current year requests are only available

after June 15th. There are no availability restrictions on prior year requests. Most requests will be processed within 10 business days . .

hope it helps and if you need anymore help just ask as I finished filling out my AOS and joint sponsor forms as well as had experience with gathering all the documents already.

[RichiJenny 14]

Awesome youve explained it so I virtually understand it - thanks so much

One final question - my FIL was born in Brooklyn, lives in NJ, and only has one copy of his birth certificate, can he get a copy online?

[CanadianRedneck 8]

He needs to only submit a copy, as for that address stuff..they dont have to be at the same address as you to sponsor/co-sponsor you. My mother in law is the main sponsor because my wife is a student and only works a little bit part time.

The whole reason for the sponsor if your wife cant' support you is so that you dont go on welfare or on the system..in case you end up going on that, or fall on financial hardships..you wont get any gov't assistance, your sponsor is responsible for you...or the Govt can come back and get the money off your sponsors...this is all until you file for your citizenship.

[Jen and Geert 4]

He needs to only submit a copy, as for that address stuff..they dont have to be at the same address as you to sponsor/co-sponsor you. My mother in law is the main sponsor because my wife is a student and only works a little bit part time.

The whole reason for the sponsor if your wife cant' support you is so that you dont go on welfare or on the system..in case you end up going on that, or fall on financial hardships..you wont get any gov't assistance, your sponsor is responsible for you...or the Govt can come back and get the money off your sponsors...this is all until you file for your citizenship.

I thought you can only fill out an I-864A if the sponsor and join sponsor live at same residence otherwise they just fill out another I-864? Correct me if I am wrong, but it does say in the I-864A directions proof of same residence.

Edited November 10, 2010 by Jen and Geert

[Jen and Geert 4]

Awesome youve explained it so I virtually understand it - thanks so much

One final question - my FIL was born in Brooklyn, lives in NJ, and only has one copy of his birth certificate, can he get a copy online?

you can get certified copies of birth certificates at a civil registars office with the simple short birth info on it, rather than the long form original, usually the certified copy is good.

[RichiJenny 14]

crn is as clueless as i am when it comes to the nvc stage. it took him 5 hours of googling to find that info out lol.

only joking mate!

thanks wayne and jandg, i really appreciate your help. yours too crn - so father in law can just scan a copy of his birth certificate?

[RichiJenny 14]

you can get certified copies of birth certificates at a civil registars office with the simple short birth info on it, rather than the long form original, usually the certified copy is good.

ok cool, so he can go to the local town house and get one if he takes his original?