World's Top 400 Universities

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Iran, Turkey and Pakistan aren't Arab.

[Craneman 2]

Al gore and Obama won Nobel prizes, what does that tell you about this dubious honor?

That's enough out of you. Clearly, Arabs are just intellectually inferior:

The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or about 0.02% of the world population.They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Medicine

* 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff & Paul Ehrlich

* 1914 - Robert Barany

* 1922 - Otto Meyerhof

* 1930 - Karl Landsteiner

* 1931 - Otto Warburg

* 1936 - Otto Loewi

* 1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

* 1944 - Joseph Erlanger

* 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

* 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

* 1947 - Gerty Cori*

* 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

* 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

* 1953 - Hans Krebs & Fritz Lipmann

* 1958 - Joshua Lederberg

* 1959 - Arthur Kornberg

* 1964 - Konrad Bloch

* 1965 - Francois Jacob & Andre Lwoff

* 1967 - George Wald

* 1968 - Marshall Nirenberg

* 1969 - Salvador Luria

* 1970 - Julius Axelrod & Bernard Katz

* 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

* 1975 - David Baltimore & Howard Temin

* 1976 - Baruch Blumberg

* 1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow & Andrew V. Schally

* 1978 - Daniel Nathans

* 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

* 1984 - Cesar Milstein

* 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown & Joseph Goldstein

* 1986 - Stanley Cohen & Rita Levi-Montalcini

* 1988 - Gertrude Elion

* 1989 - Harold Varmus

* 1994 - Alfred Gilman & Martin Rodbell

* 1997- Stanley B. Prusiner

* 1998 - Robert Furchgott

* 2000 - Paul Greengard & Eric Kandel

* 2002 - H. Robert Horvitz & Sydney Brenner

Literature

• 1910 - Paul Heyse

• 1927 - Henri Bergson

• 1958 - Boris Pasternak

• 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

• 1966 - Nelly Sachs

• 1976 - Saul Bellow

• 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

• 1981 - Elias Canetti

• 1987 - Joseph Brodsky

• 1991 - Nadine Gordimer

• 2001 - Imre Kertesz

• 2005 - Harold Pinter

Chemistry

• 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

• 1906 - Henri Moissan

• 1910 - Otto Wallach

• 1915 - Richard Willstaetter

• 1918 - Fritz Haber

• 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

• 1961 - Melvin Calvin

• 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

• 1972 - William Howard Stein

• 1977 - Ilya Prigogine

• 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

• 1980 - Paul Berg

• 1980 - Walter Gilbert

• 1981 - Roald Hoffmann

• 1982 - Aaron Klug

• 1985 - Herbert Hauptman

• 1985 - Jerome Karle

• 1989 - Sidney Altman

• 1992 - Rudolph Marcus

• 1998 - Walter Kohn

• 2004 - Avram Hershko, Aaron Ciechanover and Irwin Rose

• 2006 - Roger Kornberg

• 2009 - Ada Yonath

World Peace

• 1911 - Alfred Fried

• 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser

• 1968 - Rene Cassin

• 1973 - Henry Kissinger

• 1978 - Menachem Begin

• 1986 - Elie Wiesel

• 1994 - Shimon Peres

• 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

• 1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Economics

• 1970 - Paul Samuelson

• 1971 - Simon Kuznets

• 1972 - Kenneth Arrow

• 1973 - Wassily Leontief

• 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

• 1976 - Milton Friedman

• 1978 - Herbert A. Simon

• 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

• 1985 - Franco Modigliani

• 1987 - Robert M. Solow

• 1990 - Harry Markowitz

• 1990 - Merton Miller

• 1992 - Gary Becker

• 1993 - Robert Fogel

• 1994 - John Harsanyi

• 1997 - Myron Scholes

• 2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

• 2001 - George A. Akerlof

• 2002 - Daniel Kahneman

• 2005 - Robert Aumann

• 2007 - Leonid Hurwicz, Eric Maskin & Roger Myerson

• 2008 - Paul Krugman

Physics

• 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

• 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

• 1921 - Albert Einstein

• 1922 - Niels Bohr

• 1925 - James Franck & Gustav Hertz

• 1943 - Otto Stern

• 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

• 1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

• 1952 - Felix Bloch

• 1954 - Max Born#

• 1958 - Igor Tamm & Il'ja Mikhailovich Frank

• 1959 - Emilio Segrè

• 1960 - Donald A. Glaser

• 1961 - Robert Hofstadter

• 1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

• 1963 - Eugene Wigner

• 1965 - Richard Feynman & Julian Schwinger

• 1967 - Hans Bethe

• 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

• 1971 - Dennis Gabor

• 1972 - Leon Cooper

• 1973 - Brian David Josephson

• 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

• 1976 - Burton Richter

• 1978 - Arno Penzias & Pyotr Kapitsa

• 1979 - Stephen Weinberg & Sheldon Glashow

• 1988 - Leon Lederman & Melvin Schwartz & Jack Steinberger

• 1990 - Jerome Friedman

• 1992- Georges Charpak

• 1995 - Martin Perl & Fredrick Reines

• 1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff & David M. Lee

• 1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

• 2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

• 2003 - Vitaly Ginzburg & Alexei A. Abrikosov

• 2004 - H. David Politzer & David Gross

• 2005 - Roy Glauber

The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population.

They have received the following Nobel Prizes:

Chemistry

1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Literature:

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

2006 - Orhan Pamuk

Peace:

1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat

1994 - Yaser Arafat

1990 - Elias James Corey

1999 - Ahmed Zewa

2003 - Shirin Ebadi

2005 - Mohamad El Baradei

2006 - Muhammad Yunus

Economics:

(none)

Medicine:

1960 - Peter Brian Medawar

1998 - Ferid Mourad

Science:

1979 - Abdus Salam

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

In politics they have been. In religion they could also be seen as unified under the same umbrella. Then there are the three on the list that are considered the Arab Middle East that seem to have been skipped over so I'm wondering what is his criteria, especially since there are Arab Jews too?

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[Heracles 417]

Iran, Turkey and Pakistan aren't Arab.

Greater Middle East

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In politics they have been. In religion they could also be seen as unified under the same umbrella. Then there are the two on the list that are considered the Arab Middle East that seem to have been skipped over so I'm wondering what is his criteria, especially since there are Arab Jews too?

Arabs are people who speak Arabic. There is no such thing as "Arabic" politics. The Islamic faith extends well beyond, and this is by design, the boundaries of the Arab world.

Pakistanis speak many languages - Urdu, Punjabi, Pashtun, Sindhi, etc. Arabic is not one of them.

Greater Middle East

scandal's post, which this entire conversation is an offshoot of, used the word 'Arab' and not the phrase greater middle east.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

Arabs are people who speak Arabic. There is no such thing as "Arabic" politics. The Islamic faith extends well beyond, and this is by design, the boundaries of the Arab world.

Pakistanis speak many languages - Urdu, Punjabi, Pashtun, Sindhi, etc. Arabic is not one of them.

scandal's post, which this entire conversation is an offshoot of, used the word 'Arab' and not the phrase greater middle east.

Parts of this are debatable. From what I understand Arabs are defined by more than linguistics. Another way to define them is genealogical and where they can trace their ancestry back to the tribes of Arabia, the original inhabitants of the Arabian Peninsula and Syrian desert. The third way is political. In the modern nationalist era any person who is a citizen of where Arabic is the national language or one of the official languages even if the majority don't speak it, or is a citizen of a country which is a member of the Arab League is Arab. This definition would cover 300 million people. It includes those that wouldn't identify themselves as Arabs and those who are Arabized non-Arabs and even non-arabized indigenous groups which may be non-arabic speaking such as the berbers of morocco, kurds in Iraq, and Somali majority of Arab league members in Somalia.

Scandal's use of the phrase "Arab Middle East" could include the Greater Middle East.

Edited October 7, 2010 by Cleocatra

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In the modern nationalist era any person who is a citizen of where Arabic is the national language or one of the official languages even if the majority don't speak it, or is a citizen of a country which is a member of the Arab League is Arab.

By that definition, Pakistan isn't.

Scandal's use of the phrase "Arab Middle East" could include the Greater Middle East.

That definition sounds like an Arab imperialist's wet dream.

[Amby 490]

I think Turkey is more European and Pakistan is Southeast Asia, but what category does Iran fit into if not the Middle East?

Edited October 7, 2010 by Amby

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

By that definition, Pakistan isn't.

That definition sounds like an Arab imperialist's wet dream.

If you say so.

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If you say so.

That you'd peddle Arab imperialist propaganda is not very surprising.

[Dr. A ♥ O 203]

I think Turkey is more European and Pakistan is Southeast Asia, but what category does Iran fit into if not the Middle East?

Personally, prior to looking into it when looking for a Masters program in Middle Eastern Studies I would have agreed with this statement as well Amby. However, I found at the various Universities that it differs even among the academic programs at the Universities. I had to extend my search for masters programs beyond Middle Eastern Studies to include Islamic Studies and also Near Eastern Languages and Cultures so I could examine all the options available.

That you'd peddle Arab imperialist propaganda is not very surprising.

Hush you.

Edited October 7, 2010 by Cleocatra

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I think Turkey is more European and Pakistan is Southeast Asia, but what category does Iran fit into if not the Middle East?

I think turkey is more an American tradition at Thanksgiving.

[scandal 951]

In politics they have been. In religion they could also be seen as unified under the same umbrella. Then there are the three on the list that are considered the Arab Middle East that seem to have been skipped over so I'm wondering what is his criteria, especially since there are Arab Jews too?

I am not aware of any Jews who refer to themselves as "Arab Jews". And I am well acquainted with Sephardic Jews who trace their ancestry to Arabic countries, whose parents may well have grown up speaking Arabic, and yet still never considered themselves as Arabs. This includes Yemenite Jews, Iraqi Jews, Moroccan Jews (my sister-in-law, for one). All of them see themselves as Jews, not Arabs. They distinguish themselves from Jews of European ancestry with the Ashkenazi/Sephardic labels, but never by referring to themselves as Arabs.

Regarding universities - I had not seen the American University in Beirut or the Saudi university you mentioned when I made my initial post. I simply went to the filter of Asian/MiddleEastern universities and scrolled it. Those did not appear, whereas the Israeli universities I noted did appear. I think the website filtering is far from ideal. I do accept your point, there are apparently Arab universities on this list. Lebanon and Saudi Arabia are undoubtedly in the "Arab Middle East" by anyone's definition.