Naked performance with dead pig branded "sick"

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Stare at a plate of bacon for 4 hours. It's harder than you think. I eat it after 6 minutes (my current record).

[garya505 2]

Stare at a plate of bacon for 4 hours. It's harder than you think. I eat it after 6 minutes (my current record).

Ya, I like animals too. They taste really good!

[Lewis 0]

From the actual article:

"As Miss O'Reilly seems to depend on the shock of using a murdered pig as a prop, perhaps lacking the talent to make it as a proper artist, may we suggest she take up a day job instead to pay the bills," she said. "Cruelty is not entertainment."

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....-ART-PIG-DC.XML

Interesting wording here, especially the use of the word murder and the slam on the "artist". Controversy is used by many people and groups (including PETA) in order to gain people's interest. No laws were broken here. I guess my breakfast was the result of a porkicide.....

Here's a definition of murder that I looked up:

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)

n.

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

[Mirorgate 0]

2. I do not wish to get in a PeTA debate with you. But your 'hypocrite' term for the people of the organisation is a false one. Remember, people who work with PeTA do so for one reason- to try to limit the suffering of non-human animals. They do this selflessly. You can not be employed by the organisation unless you are vegan- that is do not eat, wear, or support (both emotionally and economically) anything that exploits animals for human purposes. I see no hypocracy in that.

Ok, instead of just jumping on the PeTA=hypocrites band wagon, actually try and think about it. I know that Penn and Teller clip (with very intelligent comments such as 'nobody gets off on hurting animals' (you sure about that!?), and 'these remarkably thin protestors' (when healthy, and not overweight became an insult im not sure?)), and I know they try to criticise the PeTA vice president for being a type II diabetic. Yes these treatments were developed in a lab using dogs- however we are not given a choice of how drugs are developed. Animal research is very outdated, and many many professionals agree that there are far more effective methods. There is much evidence to suggest that animal research has delayed medical research considerably. However, these cost money to put into place, and no one so far has ben willing to tkae that cut in profits. We can not live in a bubble. The carpet we walk on will be dyed with products tested on animals, the stain in the wood of the chairs we sit on..... there is nothing we can do about that- it has already happened. It is about preventing it in the future.

PeTA is not the worlds collection of animal rights supporters. PeTA is just one non-profit organisation. If you knew anything about the topic you would try to target your criticisms at animal rights supporters- not PeTA. PeTA just takes the brunt of it, because they are such a large, well supported group.

And LisaD- just because the one person you knew displayed some hypocracy in her criticisms does not mean by any stretch that all animal rights supporters wear leather. I certainly dont. Nor wool, silk and so on.

no.. my criticism was for the quote of yours i left. PETA is self serving. I do not care if someone is over weight or not.. thin or not. those are non-issues.. and if that is all you got out of the p&t video.. there were more things.. like the financial support of a person who fire bombs ppls livelyhoods. hardly anyone looks into what they support any more so it seems, wouldn't it? yes there are other animal support grps out there.. not all are as destructive.. nor go into schools trying to equate themselves with Ghandi and Jesus... nor do they go around giving buckets of entrails to kids outside of restaurants.

I do not like PETA because of their hypocrisy "we save ALL animals" then euthenise more than 2/3's? And as to the type II diabetic.. there is human insulin. more expensive, but it is there... so she decided to be cheap? what?

Sure there are new and upcoming ways to develope medicine as well. that is now.. then it was different.. so we have insulin, artificial hearts, etc because of it. should we just through that away? because a few fanatical ppl believe differently than mainstream thought?

you are vegan.. dont own any silk, leather products, fur, etc. fine for you and your way of wanting to live... please do not try to impose such things on me as PETA, ALF, et al are trying to do.

also.. I am on no bandwagon. I have my own mind and can do my own research and come to my own conclusions from the data before me.

[garya505 2]

From the actual article:

"As Miss O'Reilly seems to depend on the shock of using a murdered pig as a prop, perhaps lacking the talent to make it as a proper artist, may we suggest she take up a day job instead to pay the bills," she said. "Cruelty is not entertainment."

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....-ART-PIG-DC.XML

Interesting wording here, especially the use of the word murder and the slam on the "artist". Controversy is used by many people and groups (including PETA) in order to gain people's interest. No laws were broken here. I guess my breakfast was the result of a porkicide.....

Here's a definition of murder that I looked up:

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)

n.

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

Ya, they want to redefine all animals as "human", and some of them want to define unborn human babies as "a clump of cells". Go figure.

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

I'm an animal rights supporter too Laura!

I'm not interested in some of the methods many groups use to draw attention to their cause, but I AM interested in the cause itself.

I wish those two things could be separated so people could see how important treating animals well is, even if we eat them afterward. That would be a huge first step.

here's your new home page then

peta

[danae 0]

From the actual article:

"As Miss O'Reilly seems to depend on the shock of using a murdered pig as a prop, perhaps lacking the talent to make it as a proper artist, may we suggest she take up a day job instead to pay the bills," she said. "Cruelty is not entertainment."

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....-ART-PIG-DC.XML

Interesting wording here, especially the use of the word murder and the slam on the "artist". Controversy is used by many people and groups (including PETA) in order to gain people's interest. No laws were broken here. I guess my breakfast was the result of a porkicide.....

Here's a definition of murder that I looked up:

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)

n.

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

Yes yes this issue has been raised on VJ before. The word 'murder' is a human word, given definition by a human. Words hold no 'truth' or any meaning in the laws of nature. All words are open to interpretation. Just becasue someone in an office decides what a word means does not mean that is definitive. My personal interpretation of the word is that it can be applied to the killing of a non-human animal as it can a human animal. This is because I do not hold a superiority complex. To me, a non-human life should be respected as much as a human life. Animals are my friends

[garya505 2]

From the actual article:

"As Miss O'Reilly seems to depend on the shock of using a murdered pig as a prop, perhaps lacking the talent to make it as a proper artist, may we suggest she take up a day job instead to pay the bills," she said. "Cruelty is not entertainment."

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....-ART-PIG-DC.XML

Interesting wording here, especially the use of the word murder and the slam on the "artist". Controversy is used by many people and groups (including PETA) in order to gain people's interest. No laws were broken here. I guess my breakfast was the result of a porkicide.....

Here's a definition of murder that I looked up:

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)

n.

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

Yes yes this issue has been raised on VJ before. The word 'murder' is a human word, given definition by a human. Words hold no 'truth' or any meaning in the laws of nature. All words are open to interpretation. Just becasue someone in an office decides what a word means does not mean that is definitive. My personal interpretation of the word is that it can be applied to the killing of a non-human animal as it can a human animal. This is because I do not hold a superiority complex. To me, a non-human life should be respected as much as a human life. Animals are my friends

If you were starving and the only choices you had were to kill and eat an animal or die, what would you do?

[Fandango 1,440]

And LisaD- just because the one person you knew displayed some hypocracy in her criticisms does not mean by any stretch that all animal rights supporters wear leather. I certainly dont. Nor wool, silk and so on.

I wasn't saying that she spoke for everyone...just relaying an experience which I found really funny.

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

If you were starving and the only choices you had were to kill and eat an animal or die, what would you do?

[danae 0]

no.. my criticism was for the quote of yours i left. PETA is self serving. I do not care if someone is over weight or not.. thin or not. those are non-issues.. and if that is all you got out of the p&t video.. there were more things.. like the financial support of a person who fire bombs ppls livelyhoods. hardly anyone looks into what they support any more so it seems, wouldn't it? yes there are other animal support grps out there.. not all are as destructive.. nor go into schools trying to equate themselves with Ghandi and Jesus... nor do they go around giving buckets of entrails to kids outside of restaurants.

I do not like PETA because of their hypocrisy "we save ALL animals" then euthenise more than 2/3's? And as to the type II diabetic.. there is human insulin. more expensive, but it is there... so she decided to be cheap? what?

Sure there are new and upcoming ways to develope medicine as well. that is now.. then it was different.. so we have insulin, artificial hearts, etc because of it. should we just through that away? because a few fanatical ppl believe differently than mainstream thought?

you are vegan.. dont own any silk, leather products, fur, etc. fine for you and your way of wanting to live... please do not try to impose such things on me as PETA, ALF, et al are trying to do.

also.. I am on no bandwagon. I have my own mind and can do my own research and come to my own conclusions from the data before me.

PeTA does not 'fire bomb' anything. They are very careful not to associate with any illegal activity. They can not however control the actions of all of the people that support them. A fire bomb incident would be considered an act of the ALF- anonymous cells all over the world aiming to liberate animals and destroy the economic structure of abusive industies.

As for the euthanisia issue- many people feel that this is the kindest alternative. The world is truggling with a HUGE overpopulation problem of domestic cats and dogs. Too many people are mindless, and fail to spay or neuter their animals, and too many people want a cute little puppy bought from a breeder, rather than adopt 'used goods' from a shelter. There is NO WHERE for these animals to go. Not enough money to provide them with permanent sanctuary, and more and more beign bred every day. If you want to offer your scorn on anyone, it should be on breeders and irresponsible carers.

I have never tried to impose anything on you. No more than you are trying to do on me. Merely offer my side of the debate.

From the actual article:

"As Miss O'Reilly seems to depend on the shock of using a murdered pig as a prop, perhaps lacking the talent to make it as a proper artist, may we suggest she take up a day job instead to pay the bills," she said. "Cruelty is not entertainment."

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....-ART-PIG-DC.XML

Interesting wording here, especially the use of the word murder and the slam on the "artist". Controversy is used by many people and groups (including PETA) in order to gain people's interest. No laws were broken here. I guess my breakfast was the result of a porkicide.....

Here's a definition of murder that I looked up:

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)

n.

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

Yes yes this issue has been raised on VJ before. The word 'murder' is a human word, given definition by a human. Words hold no 'truth' or any meaning in the laws of nature. All words are open to interpretation. Just becasue someone in an office decides what a word means does not mean that is definitive. My personal interpretation of the word is that it can be applied to the killing of a non-human animal as it can a human animal. This is because I do not hold a superiority complex. To me, a non-human life should be respected as much as a human life. Animals are my friends

If you were starving and the only choices you had were to kill and eat an animal or die, what would you do?

here we go, the classic scenario question. I have no issues with hunting for survival. Other omnivorous and carnivorous species do it, we are not exempt from that. It is the methods and industries of this society that I have problem with, and so do not support.

IF I were in that situation, I dont know however, I have never eaten meat, so it would likely make me very sick to do so. Secondly, I really dont think I would have it in my heart to kill anything.

Edited August 18, 2006 by lauraxmarie

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I wish those two things could be separated so people could see how important treating animals well is, even if we eat them afterward. That would be a huge first step.

[Ban Hammer 14,269]

As for the euthanisia issue- many people feel that this is the kindest alternative. The world is truggling with a HUGE overpopulation problem of domestic cats and dogs. Too many people are mindless, and fail to spay or neuter their animals, and too many people want a cute little puppy bought from a breeder, rather than adopt 'used goods' from a shelter. There is NO WHERE for these animals to go. Not enough money to provide them with permanent sanctuary, and more and more beign bred every day. If you want to offer your scorn on anyone, it should be on breeders and irresponsible carers.

now this part i'll have to disagree with. my dad is a breeder and i've seen firsthand some real horror stories. people who drop the puppy, who won't feed the puppy, who give it a bath and put it outside in 50 degree weather. if any puppy gets sick the buyer is to bring it back to him so he and my stepmother can take care of the puppy (and with a greater percentage of success than most vets). my father does not run a puppy mill, which is who i think you are really pointing the finger at.

Edited August 18, 2006 by charlesandnessa

[garya505 2]

no.. my criticism was for the quote of yours i left. PETA is self serving. I do not care if someone is over weight or not.. thin or not. those are non-issues.. and if that is all you got out of the p&t video.. there were more things.. like the financial support of a person who fire bombs ppls livelyhoods. hardly anyone looks into what they support any more so it seems, wouldn't it? yes there are other animal support grps out there.. not all are as destructive.. nor go into schools trying to equate themselves with Ghandi and Jesus... nor do they go around giving buckets of entrails to kids outside of restaurants.

I do not like PETA because of their hypocrisy "we save ALL animals" then euthenise more than 2/3's? And as to the type II diabetic.. there is human insulin. more expensive, but it is there... so she decided to be cheap? what?

Sure there are new and upcoming ways to develope medicine as well. that is now.. then it was different.. so we have insulin, artificial hearts, etc because of it. should we just through that away? because a few fanatical ppl believe differently than mainstream thought?

you are vegan.. dont own any silk, leather products, fur, etc. fine for you and your way of wanting to live... please do not try to impose such things on me as PETA, ALF, et al are trying to do.

also.. I am on no bandwagon. I have my own mind and can do my own research and come to my own conclusions from the data before me.

PeTA does not 'fire bomb' anything. They are very careful not to associate with any illegal activity. They can not however control the actions of all of the people that support them. A fire bomb incident would be considered an act of the ALF- anonymous cells all over the world aiming to liberate animals and destroy the economic structure of abusive industies.

As for the euthanisia issue- many people feel that this is the kindest alternative. The world is truggling with a HUGE overpopulation problem of domestic cats and dogs. Too many people are mindless, and fail to spay or neuter their animals, and too many people want a cute little puppy bought from a breeder, rather than adopt 'used goods' from a shelter. There is NO WHERE for these animals to go. Not enough money to provide them with permanent sanctuary, and more and more beign bred every day. If you want to offer your scorn on anyone, it should be on breeders and irresponsible carers.

I have never tried to impose anything on you. No more than you are trying to do on me. Merely offer my side of the debate.

From the actual article:

"As Miss O'Reilly seems to depend on the shock of using a murdered pig as a prop, perhaps lacking the talent to make it as a proper artist, may we suggest she take up a day job instead to pay the bills," she said. "Cruelty is not entertainment."

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews....-ART-PIG-DC.XML

Interesting wording here, especially the use of the word murder and the slam on the "artist". Controversy is used by many people and groups (including PETA) in order to gain people's interest. No laws were broken here. I guess my breakfast was the result of a porkicide.....

Here's a definition of murder that I looked up:

mur·der ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mûrdr)

n.

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/murder

Yes yes this issue has been raised on VJ before. The word 'murder' is a human word, given definition by a human. Words hold no 'truth' or any meaning in the laws of nature. All words are open to interpretation. Just becasue someone in an office decides what a word means does not mean that is definitive. My personal interpretation of the word is that it can be applied to the killing of a non-human animal as it can a human animal. This is because I do not hold a superiority complex. To me, a non-human life should be respected as much as a human life. Animals are my friends

If you were starving and the only choices you had were to kill and eat an animal or die, what would you do?

here we go, the classic scenario question. I have no issues with hunting for survival. Other omnivorous and carnivorous species do it, we are not exempt from that. It is the methods and industries of this society that I have problem with, and so do not support.

IF I were in that situation, I dont know however, I have never eaten meat, so it would likely make me very sick to do so. Secondly, I really dont think I would have it in my heart to kill anything.

Ah, but PETA does have an issue with hunting for survival, they sure do.

[danae 0]

As for the euthanisia issue- many people feel that this is the kindest alternative. The world is truggling with a HUGE overpopulation problem of domestic cats and dogs. Too many people are mindless, and fail to spay or neuter their animals, and too many people want a cute little puppy bought from a breeder, rather than adopt 'used goods' from a shelter. There is NO WHERE for these animals to go. Not enough money to provide them with permanent sanctuary, and more and more beign bred every day. If you want to offer your scorn on anyone, it should be on breeders and irresponsible carers.

now this part i'll have to disagree with. my dad is a breeder and i've seen firsthand some real horror stories. people who drop the puppy, who won't feed the puppy, who give it a bath and put it outside in 50 degree weather. if any puppy gets sick the buyer is to bring it back to him so he and my stepmother can take care of the puppy (and with a greater percentage of success than most vets). my father does not run a puppy mill, which is who i think you are really pointing the finger at.

nope, im afraid I have issues with all breeders. Of course you will be on the defensive, he is your dad. The world does not need more dogs right now- like I said we are struggling with a huge overpopulation problem. Healthy animals euthanised by the thousands every day, yet people keep breeding more.