IRS Tax Trascripts and Form 4506-T

[RealPi 0]

Dear all,

I hope someone has been through something like this before and can help out! I've been at it for more than a day and I am still confused.

First let me give some important background info before I ask my question:

I have a conditional green card (wife is US citizen) which will expire at the end of October this year. This means that we will be filing I-751 some time early August.

I and the wife had filed our taxes jointly as a couple for both 2008 and 2009. The first time we filed was February 2009 (for the 2008 return) when we were in Missouri. We then moved to Wisconsin in June 2009. February 2010 we filed in Wisconsin (for the 2009 return). As part of the I-751 process, we need to include all IRS tax transcripts since I became a conditional resident; namely, the tax transcripts for the years 2008 and 2009. Now, based on the information given on p.2 of form 4506T (Rev. 1-2010), we need to fill out two different copies of the form and send the one requesting our joint 2008 return (when we were in Missouri) to "IRS, RAIVS team, Stop 6705 P-6, Kansas City, MO 64999" and the 4506T copy requesting our joint 2009 return (when we had already moved to Wisconsin) to "IRS, RAIVS Team, Stop 37106, Fresno, CA 93888". (Parenthesis: either I or the wife can fill these forms to ask the IRS for the transcripts; we decided that the wife will ask for these, so "current name" below refers to her name and she will be signing and dating the form at the end).

Now, we are not certain how exactly we need to fill each copy of form 4506T. (By the way, the form can be downloaded here http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4506t.pdf )

This is what I have got so far.

A) My first name can be legally spelled in two different ways (being a transliteration). This is common with non-Latin names. For purposes of demonstration, let us call the first spelling of my first name as "RealPy" and the second one as "RealPi". My surname remains unchanged i.e. I have only one (let us call it SMITH). Anyway, the 2008 return was filed with my first name spelled as (say) "RealPy" while the 2009 return as "RealPi". Does this mean that in question 2a (I am the spouse here; the wife is in part 1a) I should input "RealPy SMITH" for the 2008 return request, and "RealPi SMITH" for the 2009 return request? After all it is asking for the spouse's name "shown on tax return", right?

B) Part 4 of 4506T asks for the "Previous address shown on the last return filed if different from line 3". (Part 3 asks for "current name, address, city, state, and ZIP code" -- namely wife's name and our Wisconsin address). Now whether we are dealing with the 4506T that we will send to Kansas, MO for the 2008 return (when we were in Missouri) or with the one that we will send to Fresno, CA, for the 2009 return (when we were already in Wisconsin), it appears to me that in both cases "last return filed" must mean the 2009 return. Which means that Part 4 should be left blank in both cases. Is this correct?

C) I am confused about Part 6. What should we request here (for each form copy)? My understanding is that we should ask for 1040 and tick 6a (Return Transcript). But do we also need 6b (Account Transcript)? Or perhaps 6c (Record of Account)? What does the USCIS want us to obtain here?

D) Clearly part 7 must remain unticked (we do not require verification of nonfiling). Right?

E) However Part 8 mentions "Form W-2, Form 1099 series, Form 1098 series, or Form 5498 series transcript". Do we need to tick this as well? (If so, does it mean we need to fill Form 4506 instead?)

F) As for Part 9... My understanding is that the 4506-T Form going to Cansas, MO (corresponding to our request for the 2008 return which we had filed while in Missouri) should have in Part 9 only one of the lines filled, with the date "12/31/2008". (We filed jointly before April 2009 for the 2008 returns, as normal; no complicated situations, we received a refund). And the form going to Fresno, CA (corresponding to our request for the 2009 return which we had filed while in Wisconsin), should, again, have only one line filled with the date "12/31/2009". (We filed jointly before April 2010 for the 2009 returns, as normal; no complicated situations, we received a refund). Is what I have said so far correct?

So basically: I need confirmation or correction on what I have said so far and help on how to fill Parts 6 through 9!

Any help would be hugely appreciated!

Thanks to all for taking the time to read this,

RealPi

[Weatherman 0]

Where do you live now in Wisconsin?

This is a listing of all the IRS local offices in Wisconsin. I'm guessing there is an office near enough to drive.

http://www.irs.gov/localcontacts/article/0,,id=98349,00.html

Any of the offices listed in Wisconsin can provide you with the transcripts you need.

I went to the Honolulu Office to get our transcripts. It took like ten minutes from the time i walked in the door to the time i walked back out with the two tax years i needed. I was the only customer during my time there. The service clerk took my info in a form and then printed off our transcripts and called me back up to get the forms. You can call the office before you go to verify what ID etc you will need to get your forms.

About 2-3 weeks before i went to the office, i sent in via fax the request for the forms. I got impatient and decided to walk into the local office. The copies i ordered via fax arrived in the mail about two weeks after i got the copies at the local office. So that process works, but it takes a lot longer.

In my opinion the IRS directs which address so that everyone does not send their requests to one location and the workload is separated. If you choose to use the mail in/fax in request method, I would send both to the same address.

[Weatherman 0]

And let me add that the IRS will key off of the lead filer's SSN (i'm assuming its your spouse) as well as your SSN to determine the correct transcript to give you. I bet they won't even notice the two different spellings of your first name. If they do, and try and give you grief about it, blame it on them and say you spelled it the same way both times, LOL.

I would also ensure that I used one spelling in all future forms and documents from here on out. What name is on your GC? Hopefully its the same as on your SSN card as well as your passport. Use that spelling forever more on any and all official documents, driver license, credit card/accounts, leases, etc etc etc. You can't undo whats done (and DON'T worry about it now), but you can pick one and stick with if from now on.

I think going to the office near you would be the easiest way for you to get your transcripts. The clerks will be able to answer any question or clear up any confusion.

All you really need for I-751 purposes is your "Tax Transcript" for the appropriate years.

Its easy, don't stress over the forms.

[RealPi 0]

All you really need for I-751 purposes is your "Tax Transcript" for the appropriate years.

Its easy, don't stress over the forms.

Thank you for your time to read this and for your kind suggestions . It is much appreciated. I am a 2-hour drive from Milwaukee, where my nearest local CIS office is situated at. I also believe that it would probably be an IRS office -usually situated near the CIS office- that would deal with tax transcripts.

Actually, I had a talk with my CPA (more than 20 years experience in their business) this morning so the matter is now more clear to me.

It would probably be useful to post the answers I got here, because it would be useful to anyone who has moved during the time between getting their conditional card and removing conditions; useful that is for those who had to file with the IRS in the interim period at two different locations.

One of the things that are not clear is this: which tax transcripts we need to ask for. Return or Account? As it turns out, Return should be sufficient for our purposes unless significant adjustments/adjudications had taken place by the IRS after filing. In my case, as I mentioned, we even got a refund (we're sure it won't happen again, but it did for the past two years!) Because of this, Return transcripts should be sufficient. And of course I do fill in "1040" in question 6. And I only tick 6a. Of course I keep Part 7 unticked (since we did file both times) and most people would too (e.g. if someone did not have to file due to being below poverty level, they would need to tick Part 7 to show that they did not file and why). Part 8 must also remain unticked: this is only important if one needs new copies of their old W-2s etc. which they lost somehow. Finally, for Part 9 it is as I wrote: "12/31/2008" for the 2008 return (going to Kansas, MO) and "12/31/2009" for the 2009 return (going to Fresno, CA).

I was also correct on Part 2b, 2009 case. However on Part 2b, 2008 case, my CPA suggested that I write my first name under the slightly different (yet legally acceptable) spelling I had used that year (i.e. "RealPy" instead of the usual "RealPi"), then my surname, and the spelling "RealPi" underneath the already typed "RealPy" and initial next to it.

Namely

RealPy SMITH

RealPi

She also said that I should NOT leave Part 4 left blank in EITHER of the cases. Apparently, I should ignore the confusing expression "last return filed". The best thing to do would be to write here the old Missouri address (of 2008) and put two dashes next to it and add "per 2008 tax return". I should do the same for the 2009 return Form, regardless. That is, Part 4 should be in both cases:

Old Missouri Address -- per 2008 tax return

She then explained to me that what the IRS are looking for here are different ways to identify a person. There will probably be more than one Realpi SMITH around (or even Realpy SMITH ) and putting the 2008 address helps the IRS identify that I am who I claim I am. She did admit though that they had worded that question in a confusing manner (strictly speaking my "last return filed" happened in 2009 in Wisconsin, period; so strictly speaking there should be no need to write anything in Part 4, since our current address in 3 is the Wisconsin address).

Anyway, specifically as regards Part 6, I would be very interested to hear if anyone else who has asked for tax transcripts from the IRS in the past if they ticked something other than (or additional to) 6a and why.

Thanks again to all who took the time to read this and to Weatherman taking the time to make some suggestions!

RealPi

[PetiteYellow 2]

thank you so much for bring up this issue. It helps a lot, since I was not sure to fill the form. but now I am definitely sure.

kindly regards

[sib 7]

Why don't you call the IRS and have the transcript ordered over the phone? I always did that and it worked great. No form to fill out, etc.

I think you also can have them faxed to you if there is a time problem.

[Pitaya 2,577]

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