Here is a reason to own a gun

[_Simpson_ 250]

Are we assuming that the only people who are 'safe' are people with guns who have fired warning shots? That's a huge assumption and I don't see the anyone suggesting the answer to the problem lies in providing everyone with guns for protection, but rather the question is why are the local authorities not providing the protection they need and deserve? It's not as if the country has no police or military nor is it as if these services have been devastated by the earth quake. There is certainly failure to protect going on, but the remedy is not provide everyone with weapons 'just in case'.

No a I am not assuming that, either am I assuming that only people with scissors can cut paper, I will say though that it is a very effective measure.

So how long should I wait around for the local authorities to get there shite together?

[Peikko 1,575]

The people in this perilous situation have no choice but to either attempt to find somewhere safer to be (which if they could, they would already have done so) or wait until the authorities get their ###### together, because what they can't do is take control of the situation themselves and restore public order. That is what needs to be done though, have public order restored, not ship out guns and ammunition to them.

You are an idiot if you believe that public protection lies in the hands of armed individuals.

[_Simpson_ 250]

The people in this perilous situation have no choice but to either attempt to find somewhere safer to be (which if they could, they would already have done so) or wait until the authorities get their ###### together, because what they can't do is take control of the situation themselves and restore public order. That is what needs to be done though, have public order restored, not ship out guns and ammunition to them.

You are an idiot if you believe that public protection lies in the hands of armed individuals.

I must say though that the people who bought the guns prior to this situation are much better off. Maybe you should change your list of reasons.

[Kevin and 10]

The people in this perilous situation have no choice but to either attempt to find somewhere safer to be (which if they could, they would already have done so) or wait until the authorities get their ###### together, because what they can't do is take control of the situation themselves and restore public order. That is what needs to be done though, have public order restored, not ship out guns and ammunition to them.

You are an idiot if you believe that public protection lies in the hands of armed individuals.

An individual's protection lies in the hands of the individual.

I didn't say it, various court rulings did.

Edited March 16, 2010 by Kevin and Tuyen

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

How do you define "better off" and how is it you can extrapolate the experience of 1 or 2 people and suggest that it is common to all?

That's a seriously questionable gap in logic.

[_Simpson_ 250]

You are an idiot if you believe that public protection lies in the hands of armed individuals.

What I believe is that nobody cares about number 1 as much as I do and in the end its up to me to watch out for number one and his family.

Armed individuals tend to fire there weapons as a last resort, and thats how it should be, its sort of a back up plan after the law enforcement has failed you.

[Peikko 1,575]

An individual's protection lies in the hands of the individual.

I didn't say it, various court rulings did.

And yet, these people are not saying that individuals should be protecting themselves, but that there is a government failure to protect the people from lawless individuals. Hence, the solution is not dropping guns and ammo from the sky, but a demand for public order to be restored. How very odd, eh?

[_Simpson_ 250]

How do you define "better off" and how is it you can extrapolate the experience of 1 or 2 people and suggest that it is common to all?

That's a seriously questionable gap in logic.

Did you not read the story Hunt?

[Peikko 1,575]

And my point is, that unless there is some real advantage to having a gun and shooting it, beyond some 'feeling' that it helps, then the reality is that guns might make you feel safe, but do not change the actuality of your situation. You are in a perilous situation and you will survive if luck is on your side.

[Kevin and 10]

And yet, these people are not saying that individuals should be protecting themselves, but that there is a government failure to protect the people from lawless individuals. Hence, the solution is not dropping guns and ammo from the sky, but a demand for public order to be restored. How very odd, eh?

In a free society there will always be lawless individuals.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Did you not read the story Hunt?

Yes. Did you?

One guy with a gun is not "people with guns".

You are taking one man's experience as depicted in this article and suggesting that ALL people with guns are doing better than those who aren't. I don't see how you can substantiate that beyond your blind belief that gun = safety and prosperity.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In a free society there will always be lawless individuals.

Why only a "free" society?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Yes. Did you?

One guy with a gun is not "people with guns".

You are taking one man's experience as depicted in this article and suggesting that ALL people with guns are doing better than those who aren't. I don't see how you can substantiate that beyond your blind belief that gun = safety and prosperity.

Im not saying all people, I am talking about the law abiding ones that are sitting in there homes scared as shite. Sure dont give ALL people guns but I think that goes with out saying. You must me a criteria.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I must say though that the people who bought the guns prior to this situation are much better off. Maybe you should change your list of reasons.

This is what you said and what I responded to.

[Peikko 1,575]

Even the person with the gun is not asking for more ammunition and guns, but for the restoration of 'law and order' - doesn't that tell you anything at all?