Turkish girl, 16, 'buried alive by her father because she had friendships with boys'

[FortLaudy 10]

You are very naive if you think that this will stop the attacks. Many of these extremist despise our way of life and want us to see things their ways.

That's your opinion. My opininion is based on what I've learned from actually Living in the middle east for 4 years, where are you getting your information from? Biased Western Media, no doubt. I heard this over and over and over. The only problem they have with the West is that the West tries to impose its ways on their people. They don't care what we do in our countries, they only expect the same courtesy in return. The retaliation and attacks are for Western interference in the Middle East. Period.

[_Simpson_ 250]

One of the earliest condemnations of Arab culture given by the Quran is the practice of killing infant daughters. Islam condemns murder of innocents, period.

Of the innocents yes, unfortunately with these extremists they believe if their daughter gets raped she is no longer innocent, sick sick sick and it is our problem regardless to where in the world it happens.

I dont know what your referring to when you said that in the 70's and 80's men were allowed to kill their wife here in the USA but I that you trying to compare that to these so called honor killings is a joke. Name one person that was allowed to kill their wife.

[_Simpson_ 250]

That's your opinion. My opininion is based on what I've learned from actually Living in the middle east for 4 years, where are you getting your information from? Biased Western Media, no doubt. I heard this over and over and over. The only problem they have with the West is that the West tries to impose its ways on their people. They don't care what we do in our countries, they only expect the same courtesy in return. The retaliation and attacks are for Western interference in the Middle East. Period.

You living in the middle east for 4years with the average Muslim doesn't give you more of a insight to what goes on in these terrorist heads, who are not the average Muslim you probably came across.

I dont doubt you when you say that most in the middle east wish we would just mind our own business but the next time your there let them know that we will never quit being vocal about the injustices that is going on around the world.

[FortLaudy 10]

You living in the middle east for 4years with the average Muslim doesn't give you more of a insight to what goes on in these terrorist heads, who are not the average Muslim you probably came across.

I dont doubt you when you say that most in the middle east wish we would just mind our own business but the next time your there let them know that we will never quit being vocal about the injustices that is going on around the world.

It's perfectly fine to be vocal about anything, actually going over there and interfering is BS.

A guy killing his own daughter is an extremist, not a terrorist, that's one step up the ladder perhaps, but hardly the same thing.

[_Simpson_ 250]

It's perfectly fine to be vocal about anything, actually going over there and interfering is BS.

A guy killing his own daughter is an extremist, not a terrorist, that's one step up the ladder perhaps, but hardly the same thing.

All depends by what you consider interfering.

Your splitting hairs here if you ask me because both this father and a terrorist that commits a act need to be shot but yes they are different.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Stay ON topic please.

further evidence that you don't give a ** about the actual women being killed at all. when investigating into root causes of what causes violence to be perpetrated against women all around the world, you purport that it's "off topic". for the likes of you and others who shamelessly use these dead women to grind yr axe about the "evils of islam" i guess it is off topic. but for those who want this violence against all women, everywhere to end, it's exactly on topic. the way you and others besmirch these women to further yr own bigoted agenda though is foul.

[_Simpson_ 250]

further evidence that you don't give a ** about the actual women being killed at all. when investigating into root causes of what causes violence to be perpetrated against women all around the world, you purport that it's "off topic". for the likes of you and others who shamelessly use these dead women to grind yr axe about the "evils of islam" i guess it is off topic. but for those who want this violence against all women, everywhere to end, it's exactly on topic. the way you and others besmirch these women to further yr own bigoted agenda though is foul.

but to go with the whole "well Christians do it too" response gets annoying. We hear it every time we speak about any of the evils that happen in Islam.

[FortLaudy 10]

but to go with the whole "well Christians do it too" response gets annoying. We hear it every time we speak about any of the evils that happen in Islam.

Simpson, are you just trying to have the last word in this thread? seems like it we're going around in circles discussing every silly angle of this topic, if you want to start a new thread about how and what you will do to end "honor" killings world wide please go ahead, this thread is getting a tad old.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Simpson, are you just trying to have the last word in this thread? seems like it we're going around in circles discussing every silly angle of this topic, if you want to start a new thread about how and what you will do to end "honor" killings world wide please go ahead, this thread is getting a tad old.

How about I start a thread about what I would do if I was King for a day and you start a thread about all the sh!t the USA has screwed up.

About your comment about this getting a tad bit old, well see thats the beauty of it, if you're sick of this discussion simply just dont reply.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Will you people quit it, we have had this crammed down our throat since 9/11. We know that not all Muslims are terrorists or in this case Neanderthals that believe killing your children is acceptable in the name of honor.

The whole "Well the Christians did it too" response is getting a little old too.

No, Simpson. What I am trying to point out to you is that the religion of the people who committed this crime is immaterial.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

but to go with the whole "well Christians do it too" response gets annoying. We hear it every time we speak about any of the evils that happen in Islam.

Well you see the problem here is that even though you give yourself a little disclaimerto the effect that not all Muslims are terrorists or do this kind of thing, you are implying that Islam is fundamentally evil.

Its contradictory to say the least.

[Nasturtium 500]

Well you see the problem here is that even though you give yourself a little disclaimerto the effect that not all Muslims are terrorists or do this kind of thing, you are implying that Islam is fundamentally evil.

Its contradictory to say the least.

Your comment reminds me of this particular clip:

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[_Simpson_ 250]

Well you see the problem here is that even though you give yourself a little disclaimerto the effect that not all Muslims are terrorists or do this kind of thing, you are implying that Islam is fundamentally evil.

Its contradictory to say the least.

Name one thing that would make a reasonable person think that I am implying that all Islam is evil. Your claim is BS IMO.

There is some problems in Islam that need to be addressed and just because I point them out doesn't mean I think all Islam is evil. You're just one of the never ending line of people who think there enlighting us, I say get with the times and realize that this is common sense and we dont need hear this every time we turn around so that you can feel that you are making the world a better place.

No, Simpson. What I am trying to point out to you is that the religion of the people who committed this crime is immaterial.

The problem with trying to have a debate with you Gene is you jump in and out of specifics. I never said that this was just a Muslim thing.

[sandinista! 1,816]

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[Sofiyya 1,687]

Of the innocents yes, unfortunately with these extremists they believe if their daughter gets raped she is no longer innocent, sick sick sick and it is our problem regardless to where in the world it happens.

I dont know what your referring to when you said that in the 70's and 80's men were allowed to kill their wife here in the USA but I that you trying to compare that to these so called honor killings is a joke. Name one person that was allowed to kill their wife.

The killings in the US were honor killings, but were called passion killings here. They are indeed analygous and no joke at all. Perhaps you are too young to remember lively American debates over whether a husband could be charged with raping his wife, or killing her for believing she had extramarital sex, but they did occur, based on actual controversial cases. This is still a patriarchial nation, and, yes, these were debates about Christians. If non-Muslims like you believe they have the right to judge, then prepare to be judged. You don't hold the exclusive to set terms for the discussion.