Pat Robertson: Haiti has reaped what it sowed

[Danno 1,228]

if you'd actually read the article, you'd know that they were not the source of the investigative reporting. the nation also reported on the story, and the virginia department of consumer affairs conducted an investigation, concluding that he should be indicted. virginia's attorney general refused to do so. funnily enough, that same attorney general's largest campaign contribution, $35,000, came from Pat Robertson's PAC. his commentary about charles taylor in liberia is nothing short of amazing.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/14/82...-Blood-Diamonds

from the above link:

Here is Pat Robertson in all his glory:

• A man whose salary is funded by donations to a "Christian" tax exempt entity which required its African-American employees to enter the premises through the back door and to eat in separate dining areas.

• A man who makes so much money from his association with this "Christian" tax-exempt entity that he can afford to spend over $500,000 to buy a race horse and name it Mr. Pat, after himself.

• A man who is so eager to increase his personal wealth that he enters a business venture with a cruel dictator to mine diamonds and uses the planes from his "Christian" aid organization, "Operation Blessing" almost exclusively to carry mining equipment while telling his followers that their contributions will fund relief efforts and not mining for blood diamonds.

• A man who is so eager to increase his personal wealth that he enters another business venture to explore and mine gold with a dictator/terrorist actively engaged in committing crimes against humanity including murder, torture, rape, child slavery, and forcing children to be soldiers to explore for gold. The joint venture being housed on the same location as the "Christian Broadcasting Network" his tax-exempt entity.

I have one question for the "Reverend" Pat Robertson:

Just who made a pact with the Devil?

gross.

Look man we have seen all this stuff before, it often does not even stand up to a casual skeptics viewing.

I mean here you are duped into excepting that a contribution to an Attorney General in VA, is enough to keep the hounds of the IRS at bay, get serious.

I'm in no position to speak for or against Robertson, I had actually though he was retired from the Show, the few times I bumped into it, it seemed his son was hosting.

Many moons ago I did like to catch the NEWS on CBN, this was before the explosion of cable news shows, back when every news cast had the same exact take on the news.

As for your Bullet critique to discredit the guy that is kinda lame.

- Robertson belongs to some type of Pentecostal or Charismatic denomination, this is one of the oldest and most racially inclusive Church groups in the country, I recall he also had a number of African Americans co-hosting his show... long before the major networks did, I kinda doubt he had separate eating areas according to race.

-True he does (I suppose) draw some income from his roll at his tv show and you are right, it comes from contributions ... I only wish you were so critical of the spending on money with is "taken" by Force by the Government! You don't seem to mind that.

-A $500,000 horse is not a play thing it is an investment, what is so odd in a person investing in a horse, I knew a very successful family which did this same thing.

- You failed to explain how Robertson could be using tax exempt planes for his business .. and the IRS at the Federal Level does not care?

I'm sure the guy is a millionaire he comes from a wealthy family and seems to have a knack for business.

As far as I know he is not a minister to any church, he seems more like a Christian Business man as he has started a number things, a TV network a University, a legal defense organization not to mention the various missions oriented projects.

To me we have a quirky guy who sometimes makes odd predictions and often puts his foot in his mouth but he has been behind a lot of humanitarian work and because of that, I cut the guy a break.

[_Simpson_ 250]

What you said was - "You don't know me or the charitable work I do. So you should probably shut up before you stick your foot in your mouth further."

I didn't mean as if I could match him, but I understand how you could misunderstand what I meant in text. I often type how I talk. I do believe my work to be of a huge benefit to the ppl I have worked with all though small in numbers I don't think this is a quantitative issue that can be measured. But that's just a difference of opinion.

I think it was a very idotic thing to say, here is my first response in this thread - "I just dont understand how one could believe that the suffering of these Hati people has to do with a deal the people made with the devil many moons ago, what a idiot this guy is and all the people who believe that nonsense."

And I agree

Yes i agree he should keep his pie hole closed, this comment was very stupid. The only thing I said positive about Pat was that the world is a better place with him in it, I am referring to all the charity work he has done.

And I said earlier, I think that he is probably a decent person in real life, although after the info that Sandinista posted that may be debatable.

Well with what little I know of you I guess I could say the worlds a better place with you in it even though I probably dont agree with anything political you have to say.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

What is referring to as devil? Independence?

More likely voodoo (as in the practice, which according to "Trivial Pursuits" originated in Haiti).

[Mark&Steph 0]

-A $500,000 horse is not a play thing it is an investment, what is so odd in a person investing in a horse, I knew a very successful family which did this same thing.

Not to be nitpicky or anything but horses aren't really good investments. Over 90% turn out to be bottomless money pits, no matter how much they cost. Case in point, my employer bought a grand prix jumper for over 300k. After not even a year of showing, he decides he doesn't like jumping water anymore so now he sits, 12 years old, on a retirement farm in Virginia. Most of the time when you have a celebrity that owns a race horse or a show horse, it's for the novelty of having them, nothing more.

Oh and "accepting", not "excepting".

[Chris_Жанна 11]

Well with what little I know of you I guess I could say the worlds a better place with you in it even though I probably dont agree with anything political you have to say.

Thank you,

And I'm sure it is with with you as well. Differences make the world go round. Yes, we most likely don't agree politically but I think we can extend a mutual respect for one another. I enjoy views different then my own and I look forward to exchanging differences of opinion with you in the future.

[Danno 1,228]

Not to be nitpicky or anything but horses aren't really good investments. Over 90% turn out to be bottomless money pits, no matter how much they cost. Case in point, my employer bought a grand prix jumper for over 300k. After not even a year of showing, he decides he doesn't like jumping water anymore so now he sits, 12 years old, on a retirement farm in Virginia. Most of the time when you have a celebrity that owns a race horse or a show horse, it's for the novelty of having them, nothing more.

Oh and "accepting", not "excepting".

I guess horses can be real winners and big time flops (like other investments).

Thanks for the spell czech.

[Peikko 1,575]

You dont believe that Pat actually believes the stuff he is saying? I think he really believes it, I had a religious upbringing and you would be surprised at some of the nonsense people will believe.

I don't know, but I doubt it. If you really believed the christian tenets you would aspire to live by them. Quite obviously, he does not. I also know that no matter what he believes, nothing gives him an excuse to condemn an entire country's people on a whim, nor should he be given a free pass to do so just because he does 'good works', even if I did believe that he has no ulterior self serving motive - which I do.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

I love that you are back. You rule.

Always a pleasure to be back in the company of someone like yourself. Thanks for the endorsement, I'd love to tag in but it sounds you've got the whole "Pat Robertson is a phoney-baloney False Materialistic Messianist" thing wrapped up. I hope Pat understands that there ain't no plea bargaining in Heaven.

[panamania79 2]

PAT ROBERTSON: And you know, Kristi, something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heal of the French. You know, Napoleon the third, or whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, we will serve you if you will get us free from the French. True story. And so, the devil said, okay it's a deal.

And they kicked the French out. You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other. Desperately poor. That island of Hispaniola is one island. It is cut down the middle on the one side is Haiti the other is the Dominican Republic. Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island. They need to have and we meed to pray for them a great turning to god and out of this tragedy I'm optimistic something good may come. But right now we are helping the suffering people and the suffering is unimaginable.

KRISTI WATTS: Absolutely Pat.

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201001130024

Anything that isn't a Christian fanatic is the devil according to Pat.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I don't know, but I doubt it. If you really believed the christian tenets you would aspire to live by them. Quite obviously, he does not. I also know that no matter what he believes, nothing gives him an excuse to condemn an entire country's people on a whim, nor should he be given a free pass to do so just because he does 'good works', even if I did believe that he has no ulterior self serving motive - which I do.

Who is giving him a free pass? not me, I said he was a idiot. He does not have the power to condemn a whole country, there just words and I truly think he believes that the pack with the devil was the cause.

You talk about him as if has created massive attrosictiys, he says some stupid stuff but at the end of the day he is doing a lot good stuff around the world. I say just turn the volume down and be thankfull that he is helping people around the world.

Who are we to say what precentege of the money should go to charity? What amount he should pocket? What amount others in the company should pocket? Its there hard work that formed the business so lets just leave it up to them and if they want to only give 25$ instead of 75$ so be it, at least hes doing something which cant be said for many people.

All things considered is just amazes me how much he is hated by the left. He has done nothing over the top and he feeds a whole hell of a lot of people, and the truth of the matter is that at the end of the day the world is a better place because of him.

[Nikita2Charles 33]

IGNORANCE!!

What this WHITE GUYS IS SAYING, haiti should have stuck under the white french colonnial power and live as SLAVES instead of being independent? Why would he say otherwise?

Haiti got into this dire condition because of the embargo that was imposed to the country for being the 1st BLACK REPUBLIC, they fought against the FRENCH and got their independence way back in 1804. That's over 200 years ago, but those colonial powers didn't like that and made sure that news didn't spread out to the other nations that had slaves.

France fleece the island and most of those European colonial powers fleece those small countries.

I don't know if Pat is even aware Haitians fought for this country independence? Haitian soldiers along side the French were fighting the british for this country you are living now.

Go read the battle of Savannah Georgia where thousands of Haitian Soldiers give their life, haitian ancestors shed blood for America independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Savannah

http://www.heritagekonpa.com/Haitian%20sol...%20Savannah.asp

QUOTE (spookyturtle @ Jan 15 2010, 02:06 AM)

We could have more poor criminals come to live here to supplement the blacks and hispanics.

A lot of time people promise aids and so on but it's all a bunch of bull it never materialize, I got the feeling some folks never got over the fact we were the 1st people who revolt against White colonial power back in 1804 to become the 1st black republic.

The problem we can only blame it on ourselves, through corruptions and that same old DIVIDED TO CONQUER that was set up by the French, that mentality never got totally out of our system.

ONE you are WEAK, Together you are strong, ALL TOGETHER you are like a TSUNAMI, so the idea controlling the slaves back them was to favor one group and make them fight each other. but they managed to see through it and GOT UNITED TO BECOME THE 1st BLACK REPUBLIC. IF FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM is a CURSE, I SURE AS HELL RATHER BE CURSE ALL MY LIFETIME RATHER THEN LIVE IN SLAVERY..

I am not even talking about the native americans that were living in the mountains joining with the slaves to kick the french out.

Europeans soliders brought deseases and so on to the native american, which they consider primitive, Aren't they people like them, but everybody that wasn't white were considered inferior, but I get some mentality even after generation and generation never go away

Edited January 15, 2010 by Nikita2Charles

[Chris_Жанна 11]

IGNORANCE!!

What this WHITE GUYS IS SAYING, haiti should have stuck under the white french colonnial power and live as SLAVES instead of being independent? Why would he say otherwise?

Haiti got into this dire condition because of the embargo that was imposed to the country for being the 1st BLACK REPUBLIC, they fought against the FRENCH and got their independence way back in 1804. That's over 200 years ago, but those colonial powers didn't like that and made sure that news didn't spread out to the other nations that had slaves.

France fleece the island and most of those European colonial powers fleece those small countries.

I don't know if Pat is even aware Haitians fought for this country independence? Haitian soldiers along side the French were fighting the british for this country you are living now.

Go read the battle of Savannah Georgia where thousands of Haitian Soldiers give their life, haitian ancestors shed blood for America independence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Savannah

http://www.heritagekonpa.com/Haitian%20sol...%20Savannah.asp

QUOTE (spookyturtle @ Jan 15 2010, 02:06 AM)

We could have more poor criminals come to live here to supplement the blacks and hispanics.

A lot of time people promise aids and so on but it's all a bunch of bull it never materialize, I got the feeling some folks never got over the fact we were the 1st people who revolt against White colonial power back in 1804 to become the 1st black republic.

The problem we can only blame it on ourselves, through corruptions and that same old DIVIDED TO CONQUER that was set up by the French, that mentality never got totally out of our system.

ONE you are WEAK, Together you are strong, ALL TOGETHER you are like a TSUNAMI, so the idea controlling the slaves back them was to favor one group and make them fight each other. but they managed to see through it and GOT UNITED TO BECOME THE 1st BLACK REPUBLIC. IF FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM is a CURSE, I SURE AS HELL RATHER BE CURSE ALL MY LIFETIME RATHER THEN LIVE IN SLAVERY..

I am not even talking about the native americans that were living in the mountains joining with the slaves to kick the french out.

Europeans soliders brought deseases and so on to the native american, which they consider primitive, Aren't they people like them, but everybody that wasn't white were considered inferior, but I get some mentality even after generation and generation never go away

Actually, now that I think of it, I do remember seeing a pretty huge statue in one of the Squares of Savanna dedicated to the Haitian soldiers.

[Peikko 1,575]

Who is giving him a free pass? not me, I said he was a idiot. He does not have the power to condemn a whole country, there just words and I truly think he believes that the pack with the devil was the cause.

You talk about him as if has created massive attrosictiys, he says some stupid stuff but at the end of the day he is doing a lot good stuff around the world. I say just turn the volume down and be thankfull that he is helping people around the world.

Who are we to say what precentege of the money should go to charity? What amount he should pocket? What amount others in the company should pocket? Its there hard work that formed the business so lets just leave it up to them and if they want to only give 25$ instead of 75$ so be it, at least hes doing something which cant be said for many people.

All things considered is just amazes me how much he is hated by the left. He has done nothing over the top and he feeds a whole hell of a lot of people, and the truth of the matter is that at the end of the day the world is a better place because of him.

Yes you are. You are in effect making a pact with your particular devil.

As for who should say what percentage of a non profit's organisations money should go to the cause for which it is set up? Well, I don't know about in the US but in the UK there are provisions in place to ensure that donations are not siphoned off away from the cause to which the donor believes they are making their donation and off into the pockets of the organiser. There are specific criteria that have to be satisfied in order for the charity to maintain non profit status. Most of the criteria involve ensuring that the non profit is in fact making best use of their donations and not personally profiting from them. These criteria are determined by assessing a reasonable rate for adminisration. Who knew? I would imagine that the US does have such provisions in place.

My example was for illustration only, not because I know the actual rate that is acceptable. I would however imagine that no non profit organisation would be allowed to cite 50% for admin, of which 25% is specifically earmarked to go to the director but then again, strange things happen in a world where people shrug such things off as being ok because 'some poor people do benefit after all'.

[Danno 1,228]

Yes you are. You are in effect making a pact with your particular devil.

As for who should say what percentage of a non profit's organisations money should go to the cause for which it is set up? Well, I don't know about in the US but in the UK there are provisions in place to ensure that donations are not siphoned off away from the cause to which the donor believes they are making their donation and off into the pockets of the organiser. There are specific criteria that have to be satisfied in order for the charity to maintain non profit status. Most of the criteria involve ensuring that the non profit is in fact making best use of their donations and not personally profiting from them. These criteria are determined by assessing a reasonable rate for adminisration. Who knew? I would imagine that the US does have such provisions in place.

My example was for illustration only, not because I know the actual rate that is acceptable. I would however imagine that no non profit organisation would be allowed to cite 50% for admin, of which 25% is specifically earmarked to go to the director but then again, strange things happen in a world where people shrug such things off as being ok because 'some poor people do benefit after all'.

HAs there been some evidence that I missed which shows CBN is not thrifty with donations?

Or are we just jumping to more conclusions because it fits our politics?

[Peikko 1,575]

HAs there been some evidence that I missed which shows CBN is not thrifty with donations?

Or are we just jumping to more conclusions because it fits our politics?

Who is jumping to conclusions? I have already said that I don't know about this particular organisation in any detail. It is however something that one should always consider, particularly if you have suspicions for whatever reason. Of course if you had actually read what I had written, instead of jumping to your own conclusions, you would already know this

Edited January 15, 2010 by Madame Cleo