Terrorist attack in St. Louis

[natty bumppo 297]

That you even have to pose the question...oh never mind your bait is unappetizing.

Sorry MC ... I really wasn't trying to bait this time. Just asking the obvious question.

we can sit this one out while others discuss the questions.

besides, why get into the obvious when we can save the banter for another time? Fair?

[*JG* 2]

I live in St. Louis and don't recall them calling it a terrorist attack. Just a disgruntled worker. Can't blame him for the disgruntled part. It's the aftermath I am having trouble with.

Not terrorism if you ask me.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

If one gets charged with making "terroristic threats", can it fairly be said that the law is alleging that person is a "terrorist"?

This is in my local paper today. The alleged perp is not Muslim.

NEW BRUNSWICK -- A South Brunswick man was charged with attempted murder for the drive-by shooting of a man in New Brunswick early Monday.

Melvin Hyman, 34, of the Dayton section of South Brunswick, was arrested Wednesday after he surrendered to authorities at the Middlesex County jail in North Brunswick for charges unrelated to the shooting.

In addition to attempted murder, Hyman faces charges of making terroristic threats, unlawful possession of a weapon and possession of a weapon by a person previously restricted from having a firearm, police Lt. J.T. Miller said.

Here's another one, also local.

Police on Wednesday charged a 23-year-old Hopewell Township man with robbing the 7-Eleven store at gunpoint at around 4 a.m.

Brian L. Estlow was arrested at his Cubby Hollow Road home sometime between 4:00 and 4:30 p.m. after police spotted the alleged getaway vehicle, a white 1993 Nissan Sentra, there.

Det. Jeffrey Bordley charged Estlow with robbery, terroristic threats and several weapons offenses.

And another...

Erin Lockwood, 35, of Vineland, was arrested early Thursday at her home on the charges of terroristic threats and stalking, accused of leaving 24 threatening messages on the victim's voicemail. Bail was set at $10,000.

[mawilson 2,133]

If one gets charged with making "terroristic threats"

They should file a counter lawsuit for grammaristic abuse.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

you got jokes.

no answers, but jokes.

[natty bumppo 297]

you got jokes.

no answers, but jokes.

what is the legal definition used for the term "terroristic threat"?

is this one from the list of charges that will be nolled to make the real charges stick?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

what is the legal definition used for the term "terroristic threat"?

is this one from the list of charges that will be nolled to make the real charges stick?

Brian, just curious if you like Daniel Day Lewis or you just like the character's name?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

what is the legal definition used for the term "terroristic threat"?

Since the three excerpts you're responding to all took place in New Jersey, I'll paste what it means here. It may mean something else somewhere else.

In New Jersey, there are three elements to a terroristic threat which include:

(1) The accused person actually made a threat

(2) The threat was to commit an act of violence

(3) The accused had a purpose of terrorizing or acted with reckless disregard to the risk that a third party would react with fear

[natty bumppo 297]

Brian, just curious if you like Daniel Day Lewis or you just like the character's name?

daniel day lewis?

oh nm... you're one of those who doesn't read books ....

this has exactly what to do with this thread .... nothing.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

daniel day lewis?

oh nm... you're one of those who doesn't read books ....

this has exactly what to do with this thread .... nothing.

Would you feel more embarrassed to have borrowed the name from a movie figure vs. a book? Are you feeling a bit elitist today?

[alienlovechild 75]

Since the three excerpts you're responding to all took place in New Jersey, I'll paste what it means here. It may mean something else somewhere else.

In New Jersey, there are three elements to a terroristic threat which include:

(1) The accused person actually made a threat

(2) The threat was to commit an act of violence

(3) The accused had a purpose of terrorizing or acted with reckless disregard to the risk that a third party would react with fear

Terrorist threat is a term of art having nothing to do with the terrorism besides sharing the same the root word.

Capital offense doesn't mean the crime happened in Washington.

Conviction doesn't mean it something you believe in.

A grand jury isn't a large jury.

A hearing can happen take place for the deaf.

Misdemeanor isn't just the stage name for a stripper.

[natty bumppo 297]

Since the three excerpts you're responding to all took place in New Jersey, I'll paste what it means here. It may mean something else somewhere else.

In New Jersey, there are three elements to a terroristic threat which include:

(1) The accused person actually made a threat

(2) The threat was to commit an act of violence

(3) The accused had a purpose of terrorizing or acted with reckless disregard to the risk that a third party would react with fear

aj ... a little more information ...

this is typically a 3rd degree crime.

there is also in NJ a merge and severance of charge. the doctrine of merger dictates that an indictment for terrorist threats merge into a conviction of an included higher grade offense. Example, a conviction for terroristic threats will merge into a conviction for first degree robbery as a lesser included offense. this means a person can't be penalized separately for each offense.

Merger doesn't work it the other charge is for a lesser crime.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

So if this is terrorism there should be no question that Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is a terrorist. Right?

:cricket chirps:

[Ban Hammer 14,665]

personally i think the ideology behind the attack is what determines if it was a terrorist attack or not. if done in the name of a religion, or to further a political agenda, then it's terrorism. if it's a disgruntled worker (christian, muslim, whatever) and it's not to further some political or religious agenda, then no, it's not terrorism.

[natty bumppo 297]

Would you feel more embarrassed to have borrowed the name from a movie figure vs. a book? Are you feeling a bit elitist today?

embarrassed for what?

I've had this name for 3+ years and now you decide to attempt a ridicule of me and my name.

you're attempting to make a big deal out of this ... cause why?

nothing better to do?

geez ... pathetic

the "terroristic threat" is a good catch-all that can even be used for domestic violence cases.