The Hot & Sexy Women of the Kyivan Rus thread

[leith@Ievgeniia 8]

seems the political correctness and "proper speech" has come to a joke string!!! GEESE!!!!!!

again we have to explain a joke to the whole forum!!! get the stick from up your arrss!!! come on!!!

for example. one of the first questions asked by my love...HOW MUCH DO U DRINK!! HOW OFTEN DO U DRINK!!!

i had to explain i own a lounge

i hope we do not have to continue explaining jokes and funny postings turns to defending the whole reason we choose to marry RUB or FSU women

[StillThePrettiest 4]

i hope we do not have to continue explaining jokes and funny postings turns to defending the whole reason we choose to marry RUB or FSU women

oh, you're right; I almost died laughing at the jokes about bashing women

the references to it as 'tuning up' made me giggle as well... it made me think about the treatment I heard some rapists got in Australian jails, where other inmates inserted a hosepipe in the rapists' anuses, put a piece of barbed wire inside the hosepipe, withdrew the hosepipe, and then withdrew the barbed wire... funniest thing I ever heard, how those guys got 'tuned up'

maybe we could make some jokes about all American men needing that sort of treatment and then we'd all be in on the joke? or would that somehow not be so funny?

[clueless_in_usa 8]

Gary, I am completely secure in my relationship. It's a shame you aren't in yours apparently. If you were secure in yourself, your life, your relationship, etc., then you wouldn't need to constantly degrade both American & FSU women. And yes, the way you speak of your wife like she's some sort of mail-order show dog that you seek constant recognition for is degrading to her. You act as if she's some sort of prize winning show poodle that you expect American women to pin a best in show blue ribbon on. I would be surprised if she didn't find your and a lot of the other posters in the Bitter Bob Brigade's posts offensive. Especially the morons advocating violence against American women or insinuating RUB women like/expect domestic violence. Seriously, if you guys were so happy then your posts wouldn't sound so thoroughly bitter. And nobody, man or woman, likes bitter people. Just because a few people with 'issues' in this forum think a certain way doesn't make them or their views right. You don't see the same BS in the UK, European or Canadian forums that you see here. The only other place I've seen such nonsense is in the MENA forum and I think the middle-aged women that hate all American men are equally idiotic. At the end of the day, none of you are making American women look bad. You are only making yourselves look bad and very, very bitter with each and every asinine post. Not only that, but you are making your wives look bad. I wouldn't stay with a man that was so bitter or that was only with me because of my looks. I know my husband appreciates my looks as much as he likes posting my pics on his facebook page but I also know that if I were horribly disfigured in a car wreck tomorrow he would still stay with me and love me. I don't think a lot of your wives could say the same.

This makes me wonder ... would it be possible that Gary's Alla actually enjoys to get her husband's undivided attention and complete devotion because of the way she looks? Would that make her less of a woman? Could it be possible that they are happy together exactly because they both feel special with what they have and get from each other? Is it really degrading to be proud of someone's spouse for whatever the reason? Isn't that the point of a happy marriage (to be proud of your spouse and vice versa)? Why is it so bad to be different? Why do we have to be so judgmental about people who do not think like us?

By the way, regarding violence against women, I did not see any post on THIS thread advocating it, but I may be wrong (I do not read every post because I do not have time for that).

One last thing. Who has the moral authority to say what is right or wrong, as long as a crime has not been committed? I am not trying (and never tried) to make American women look bad. I instead tried to make FSU women look better. My wife loves me the way I am, and she even says more (good things) about herself and her looks than I do... and I love that about her, because she shows assertiveness. Like the song says: I've got the brains, she's got the looks ... the only thing missing so far is the part about making lots of money ... but we are just starting

And about that last two sentences you wrote ... "be careful what you wish for because you might get it all and then some you don't want."

[clueless_in_usa 8]

oh, you're right; I almost died laughing at the jokes about bashing women

the references to it as 'tuning up' made me giggle as well... it made me think about the treatment I heard some rapists got in Australian jails, where other inmates inserted a hosepipe in the rapists' anuses, put a piece of barbed wire inside the hosepipe, withdrew the hosepipe, and then withdrew the barbed wire... funniest thing I ever heard, how those guys got 'tuned up'

maybe we could make some jokes about all American men needing that sort of treatment and then we'd all be in on the joke? or would that somehow not be so funny?

Talking about advocating violence against women ... is advocating violence against men a good thing (there is no more clear advocate than this post)?

Oh men! Some times I just want to disappear to a remote island and don't have to deal with more victims.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

Gary, I am completely secure in my relationship. It's a shame you aren't in yours apparently. If you were secure in yourself, your life, your relationship, etc., then you wouldn't need to constantly degrade both American & FSU women. And yes, the way you speak of your wife like she's some sort of mail-order show dog that you seek constant recognition for is degrading to her. You act as if she's some sort of prize winning show poodle that you expect American women to pin a best in show blue ribbon on. I would be surprised if she didn't find your and a lot of the other posters in the Bitter Bob Brigade's posts offensive. Especially the morons advocating violence against American women or insinuating RUB women like/expect domestic violence. Seriously, if you guys were so happy then your posts wouldn't sound so thoroughly bitter. And nobody, man or woman, likes bitter people. Just because a few people with 'issues' in this forum think a certain way doesn't make them or their views right. You don't see the same BS in the UK, European or Canadian forums that you see here. The only other place I've seen such nonsense is in the MENA forum and I think the middle-aged women that hate all American men are equally idiotic. At the end of the day, none of you are making American women look bad. You are only making yourselves look bad and very, very bitter with each and every asinine post. Not only that, but you are making your wives look bad. I wouldn't stay with a man that was so bitter or that was only with me because of my looks. I know my husband appreciates my looks as much as he likes posting my pics on his facebook page but I also know that if I were horribly disfigured in a car wreck tomorrow he would still stay with me and love me. I don't think a lot of your wives could say the same.

I will report your post as insulting and intimidating. Seems like it is only the non RUB people that post such nonsense. I would appreciate your not speculating how I would care for my wife if tradgedy befell her or question my sincerity just because she hapens to be drop dead gorgeous.

[Ban Hammer 14,609]

I will report your post as insulting and intimidating. Seems like it is only the non RUB people that post such nonsense. I would appreciate your not speculating how I would care for my wife if tradgedy befell her or question my sincerity just because she hapens to be drop dead gorgeous.

insulting and intimidating no more so than stereotyping american women....my thoughts are either consider it constructive criticism or ignore it if you feel it does not apply to you.

speculation about whether or not you'd care for your wife if there was a tragic accident is a valid complaint and i support not having such speculation in this thread or any other as it just leads to bickering.

however, i think the constant posts about her looks tend to make other posters wonder if that is all you value in your spouse, so you might wish to include something beyond her physical appearance when touting her pluses. in short, if you're gonna beat your drum about something, make sure it's not the same old tune all the time.

[Der Bücherwurm 1]

Clueless, I see where you get your screen name from. You keep thinking people are referring to you when they aren't. FYI: something vile (advocating outright violence) was said by another poster that wasn't joking and it was removed. Apparently you missed it.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

This makes me wonder ... would it be possible that Gary's Alla actually enjoys to get her husband's undivided attention and complete devotion because of the way she looks? Would that make her less of a woman? Could it be possible that they are happy together exactly because they both feel special with what they have and get from each other? Is it really degrading to be proud of someone's spouse for whatever the reason? Isn't that the point of a happy marriage (to be proud of your spouse and vice versa)? Why is it so bad to be different? Why do we have to be so judgmental about people who do not think like us?

By the way, regarding violence against women, I did not see any post on THIS thread advocating it, but I may be wrong (I do not read every post because I do not have time for that).

One last thing. Who has the moral authority to say what is right or wrong, as long as a crime has not been committed? I am not trying (and never tried) to make American women look bad. I instead tried to make FSU women look better. My wife loves me the way I am, and she even says more (good things) about herself and her looks than I do... and I love that about her, because she shows assertiveness. Like the song says: I've got the brains, she's got the looks ... the only thing missing so far is the part about making lots of money ... but we are just starting

And about that last two sentences you wrote ... "be careful what you wish for because you might get it all and then some you don't want."

I promise you, if I didn't notice how she looks I would be in trouble. She would be terribly offended and that is the truth. Funny that you can troll the UK/Canada/Australia/MENA forum all day and never find a man bragging about his wife's looks. (maybe that's what bothers them so much) Yes, Alla makes an effort to look good, for me and for the world in general and most of all...for herself. She simply does not feel good if she isn't looking her best and THAT is a big difference between FSU and American women.

As far as any talk of abuse, I would NEVER EVER abuse my wife and do not agree with the fact that such things are done in their culture. Neither do they. Alcoholism and abuse are the leading cause of divorce in the FSU. Alla's words were, and are..."Don't get drunk and don't beat me and I will do anything for you. Get drunk or beat me and I will be gone" It is preposterous that anyone would get the impression we abuse our wives in any way or that they would accept it. VisaVeterans comments were regarding some old traditions in Russia and FSU and old beliefs (actually some still believe it) I never took that to mean HE agreed or did it. If one ever would read or study Russian literature, it is FULL of tales of spousal abuse (both men and women being abused) and even their Fairy tales told to children are full of abuse. It isn't acceptable to myself or my wife, nor do I think anyione in this forum.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

insulting and intimidating no more so than stereotyping american women....my thoughts are either consider it constructive criticism or ignore it if you feel it does not apply to you.

speculation about whether or not you'd care for your wife if there was a tragic accident is a valid complaint and i support not having such speculation in this thread or any other as it just leads to bickering.

however, i think the constant posts about her looks tend to make other posters wonder if that is all you value in your spouse, so you might wish to include something beyond her physical appearance when touting her pluses. in short, if you're gonna beat your drum about something, make sure it's not the same old tune all the time.

She has two masters degrees (is working on her third) speaks four languages fluently (Russian, Ukrainian, English and Italian) she is an AWESOME cook (baked goods to die for) The house is spotless clean as well as her car (not MY car...HER car).

Within 5 days of arriving here she had her SSN and started her masters degree in English (she will be an English teacher and teach American kids to speak English as well as Russian kids do) She works as needed as an interpreter for the County Sheriff, CBP, local hospitals and attorneys. She models part time in four markets (Montreal, Boston, New York and Providence, RI) She had her drivers license in two months after arriving though never drove a car before. She translates hundreds of documents for business and visa purposes every year. Plenty of other VJ members have had their fiancees documents translated by Alla. They didn't learn about her abiltiy to do this by my bragging about her looks, Charles. She already has her own credit cards, cell phone, and everything she needs to assimilate to life in the USA but keeps her FSU traditions (she doesn't even like credit or credit cards but feels it is necessary to have a good credit history in this country) she insisted we pay cash for her car. She does not want, and we do not have, any loans or debt other than a mortgage.

She loves swimming in the lake (we have a private beach) ice skating, skiing, theatre, drawing and knitting. We do not have a TV. we never watched it anyway so we got rid of the dish. She puts her family, her sons and myself first above all and does not rest or take time for herself until what we need is done (I give her a hard time about this, she needs more time for herself) She makes friends wherever she goes, she has over a dozen friends since arriving and has increased our social function many fold. She loves to take time to go out, visit friends (always brings baked goods). we go skiing every Saturday in winter. (i am sitting in the lodge for the rest of the season because of surgery, but we still go each Saturday) I keep the hot chocolate ready for her.

She NEVER argues about "things" She has her job and I have my job. IF I fail to do my job or one of my jobs, she will remind me. She does so in a pretty calm and measured way. She is not a nag. She delights in pleasing me. She doesn't complain about silly #######. She has a good home a good family, plenty of food, a car, all the clothes she needs, the children have education, she has her education...what else is there? She doesn't need fancy stuff, exotic stuff, expensive stuff. She has always been pretty frugal and still is. I never worry that she is going to go crazy and spend too much money, she always finds good bargains on things and does all she can to save money (she could turn the thermostat up a few degrees, it would be OK)

I was recently hospitalized for nearly 10 days for heart bypass surgery. She never left me. I was out of it, but they said she never left the recovery room either and I was out for more than 24 hours. between her friends they cared about our son (he is 15, no one needs to change his diaper, but her friends stayed at the house and cooked and made sure he got off to school OK) and even slept with me in the hospital bed. the nurses didn't like it but she said "this is my husband, I sleep with my husband, it is not a question" She was the most popular visitor in the hospital before I got out. she was formerly the Chief Editor of the leading medical journal in the FSU and the nurses and doctors were amazed at her medical knowledge and even asked who would officially be "my doctor" Is there any question?

I never abuse her and treat her pretty much like a Ukrainian Princess whenever I can. She hasn't surrendered her power as feminists would prefer she did.

To address some other sideways remarks. Had I met Alla on "Elena's Models" I would gladly say so. I do not make any such judgements and consider meeting people on the internet as valid as any other form of meeting people. I think people that meet their spouse that way have every bit as much chance at success as any other couple. I think how you meet is of nearly zero importance. as it happens, I met this incredible, gorgeous, intelligent and simply amazing woman completely by accident while on a business trip from Odessa to Prague. I still cannot imagine what kind of luck was shining on me that day and had even one of one million things changed in the very slightest, I would never even have known she existed and we had exactly that moment in time, a fleeting few seconds to meet, or we never would have. Incredible, to the point I do not even like to think of it sometimes (we actually flew to Prague on the same plane but I never saw her on the plane, I only saw her when we were both in line to buy bus tickets to the city) can you imagine even how many things could have prevented us standing next to each other in the same bus ticket line? What were the odds such a thing would ever happen? It gives an entire new meaning to quantum physics.

as far as my being secure....

You want to know the best part, the most complimentary to me? She has in her desk drawer enough money to buy several plane tickets to Kiev right now. She has an elderly mother who is not in the best of health. Wonderful lady who has seen things no one should ever have to see and cannot be un-seen. I promised Alla that she would always have the means to return immediately if something happened with her mother. She could abandon her car at JFK today and fly back to Kiev this afternoon. She has the CASH (Ukrainians prefer to keep their savings in CASH at home, to them the mattress is a damn good place to keep money) to buy plane tickets for her and Pasha. she could disappear today, we have a flat in Donetsk, all furnished, all she would have to do is turn up the heat. She HAS another place to go, she HAS the resourses, she has the talent and intelligence to make 5 times or more the national average income when she arrives...she CHOOSES to stay here.

Now, Charles...when the subject of the thread is about our beautiful wives, I will speak about her beauty which is unmatched (in my opinion and I could be biased) and when it is about "driving" I will talk about my experience with her learning to drive, and when it is about K-2 visas and how to get them I will pass on my experience with those and when it is guns I will talk about guns as well and as knowledgable as anyone. I don't talk about pie much, it is true, I do not make pies. I buy pies, or Alla makes them. I think you would be foolish to say that the only thing I talk about in these forums is Alla's beauty, I have something like 7500 posts and I would dare to say a VERY small fraction of those mention her beauty (but they all have a photo of her in the icon) You know better than that Charles. Check the comments at my profile. All are complimentary and NONE are about Alla's beauty. I do not solicit those, Charles, other members put them there.

I would like it if the moderation team were to apply the same standards to all members, even when they do not agree with how we feel about our wives as opposed to American women. Simply because an American woman or Canadian does not agree with us is not an excuse to be abusive and make an absolutely assinine assumption that my wife's beauty is the only thing I am interested in. I could easily make presumptions about a woman's husband from Iran, but I won't. To do so would be the height of ignorance. It is also insulting to my wife to think she would enter into a marriage with a man that only cared about her looks, but such is the artificial superiority complex many American women have, and we and our wiives suffer through, especially when intimidated by unliberated, beautiful women from foreign countries. But you will not take down that offensive and abusive post because why? I think my wife is beautiful and say so? So therefore I am subject to abuse, presumption and insult? So be it. My wife is drop dead gorgeous, even though she is a middle aged grandmother, she turns the heads of American men half her age everywhere she goes. She causes men to crash their shooping carts into displays at the grocery store and nearly get hit by cars in the parking lot and walk into columns and sign posts. It is truly hilarious to watch sometimes. A guy at the pharmacy the other day walked straight into a display of walking canes. I will bet he is married to an American woman.

So leave the post there, Charles. Consider this my rebuttal. I'll get over it, at the end of the day, as with every day, I will be sleeping naked with Alla tonight and nothing much bothers me, I tend to forget all about it.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

I can only speak for myself, but honestly I hope she's happy and that they both enjoy each other. That is, after all, what it's all about. Beyond finding it bizarre that he has to justify her physical traits in every. single. thread. he. posts., I have no opinion one way or the other about his relationship. To paraphrase a t-shirt I one saw, his relationship is unique just like everyone else's.

You missed it before it was removed. It was, as I said in my previous post, vile.

Again, speaking for myself: I personally don't see anything wrong with "celebrating" our fiancees and wives, and what makes them special to us. This is, after all, a very long, strange process that the vast majority of people in the world will never have to be subjected to, and RUB has been a place where we can all gather 'round and talk about not only this very stressful process, but other things as well.

What I object to is when we feel the need to run down others in this misguided notion that it somehow lends credibility to the choices we've made, especially when it becomes a constant drum beat. It has nothing to do with political correctness, and it has nothing to do with not having a sense of humor. It's about having a little bit of dignity in realizing that we don't have to justify our choices at all, let alone justify them by running down (as krikit said) a gender group who include our mothers, sisters, relatives, and friends.

Awesome!

You know better Mox. Check the Guns and Pie thread. The driving thread. Check my answers to thousands of questions posed by members regarding visas, affidavits, tax information, and any number of other topics. Thousands of threads, Mox. Thousands, more than 7000 to be precise. THIS thread is about those HOT FSU women, it is the purpose of the thread.

Alla's beauty is not the only thing I talk about it. If it were my personal message folder wouldn't be filling up every day with members PMs. At least try to be realistic in your statements.

[leith@Ievgeniia 8]

it seems to me that all of us in the mod have to keep explaining to others that rub and fsu's are not wife beaters or drunks anything like that

i am now starting to take offince that most are looking at us in way that we only want hotties and we will get drunk and beat them!!

in the completely opposite i bet we all had deep discussions with our wives or future wives about such problems in these countries and that in no way our spouses will put up with such abuse!!! they are or was happy single!!!

again my future wife is a hottey!! i tell her very day. and i mean it. she loves it. that is not reason i ask her to marry me!!! it is the lagniappe!! (something extra!!) and i feel so proud she wants to marry me!! Besides i think she is much smarter than me...in some ways...

so to outsiders that have not studies or learned anything about fsu culture, people or anything about them. stop judging us because you are clueless!!!

to all fsu's males and females!!! great to meet and talk with all of you.. i learn much and keep learning to have great relationship.

[LaL 418]

Plenty of other VJ members have... *snip* *i MAKE MONIES OFF OF VJ*.

why would you bold this *one* teensy line in that whole diatribe? one might think this was a sly advertising ploy! oh my goodness!

Edited January 8, 2010 by LaL

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

why would you bold this *one* teensy line in that whole diatribe? one might think this was a sly advertising ploy! oh my goodness!

Thanks for repeating it in YOUR post.

[LaL 418]

Thanks for repeating it in YOUR post.

you're welcome, thanks for confirming you really didn't mean for it to appear sly.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

you're welcome, thanks for confirming you really didn't mean for it to appear sly.

My thanks to you were for highlighting my wifes talents.

Advertising is against the TOS of the site. I was responding to a specific request from a moderator to point out some of Alla's other talents. I am in no way advertising but only mentioning that she has the talent and abiltiy to provide certified translations from Russian and Ukrainian, she is quite talented. I think it highlights her intelligence and multiple talents in addition to being beautiful, which gives her the ability to be a fashion model.

You can feel free to make whatever assumptions you like and post insults about me or my wife because the moderators do not agree with me and will never take action against you, it is OK to post anything if it is against Gary and Alla. I am not one of the "protected class" Neither are FSU women. Blast away.