FBI says Hasan wasn't involved in terrorist activities

[HAL 9000 96]

What I can conclude is that some folks are having a discussion as to what they want the application of the legal term Terrorism to apply to horrible acts of violence such as this. Would I call it an act of terror? Yes. Just as much as any murder of a sentient being by another can be defined as terror and by mode of speech, terrorism.

Happy now? If so, please use consistent semantics in the future. If not...

Then not, the legal motive apparently wasn't there, contrary to the reporting strongly suggested by FNC. Fair... and Balanced... meaning that they wanted to do bad reporting and then maybe some good reporting later. You decide.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

No, the jury is still out, because there is no clear indication as to what his motive was.

If however the media is going to broaden the scope of the word terrorist to include lone shooters/murderers then I would hope this standard is followed regardless of what ethnicity or religion the shooter belongs to.

If that were so, the Orlando shooter would still be a hot topic.

[nowhereman 1]

The Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as:

"The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."

Hasan's actions definitely fit the first sentence. The question is whether or not he "intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological." Whether or not Hasan fits this definition remains to be seen, but his actions are heinous & senseless irregardless of the final determination of whether or not he is a terrorist. Hasan murdered 13 innocent people & that's the real tragedy here.

[HAL 9000 96]

The Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as:

"The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."

Hasan's actions definitely fit the first sentence. The question is whether or not he "intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological." Whether or not Hasan fits this definition remains to be seen, but his actions are heinous & senseless irregardless of the final determination of whether or not he is a terrorist. Hasan murdered 13 innocent people & that's the real tragedy here.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

What I can conclude is that some folks are having a discussion as to what they want the application of the legal term Terrorism to apply to horrible acts of violence such as this. Would I call it an act of terror? Yes. Just as much as any murder of a sentient being by another can be defined as terror and by mode of speech, terrorism.

Happy now? If so, please use consistent semantics in the future. If not...

Then not, the legal motive apparently wasn't there, contrary to the reporting strongly suggested by FNC. Fair... and Balanced... meaning that they wanted to do bad reporting and then maybe some good reporting later. You decide.

What I can conclude is that you need to spend less time in space!

[alienlovechild 75]

When is a terrorist not a terrorist? When he acts alone and doesn't identify himself as a terrorist. Glad we got that settled.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Yet, he is still a terrorist. Of course this doesn't mean all muslims are terrorists.

Mass murderers are terrorists, no matter what religion.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[William33 110]

The term "terrorism" is always used for "unspeakable" crimes, by some here on VJ. Given that fact, some of these same people oppose capital punishment for the same crimes....Go figure....

Irrespective of crime titles (capital murder, terrorism, nutcase, etc....), this case requires the immediate execution of the "accused"...

Immediately guilty, since people saw him do it and one shot him....He should hang.....soon.

A quick and fair trial first....

Edit for spelling....

Edited November 13, 2009 by William33

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I remember the use of the term "terrorist organization" before in reference to the Environmental Liberation Front. They are a group thay, in 2008, burned SUV's and houses under construction in the name of saving the planet.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The FBI is wrong. They need to turn into Fixed News to learn the truth:

Hasan 'Soldier of Allah'

Business cards found at Fort Hood shooting suspect's apartment feature coded reference to militant religion

Fox News prime time has gotten stupid over this, as has much of conservative talk radio. But, hey, that's show biz.

Show biz? I thought you guys maintain that they're a News Network? Now they're not?

The quoted comes from Fixed News' web site, by the way. Is that show biz, too?

[Joseph & Ana 0]

It doesn't say he wasn't a terrorist. But even if it did - it wouldn't matter.

"broader terrorist activities"

"terrorist activities"

I'd say he was involved in at least 1 terrorist activity that we know of. Slaughtering 13 people. Course it was also his last.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The FBI is wrong. They need to turn into Fixed News to learn the truth:

Hasan 'Soldier of Allah'

Business cards found at Fort Hood shooting suspect's apartment feature coded reference to militant religion

Fox News prime time has gotten stupid over this, as has much of conservative talk radio. But, hey, that's show biz.

Show biz? I thought you guys maintain that they're a News Network? Now they're not?

The quoted comes from Fixed News' web site, by the way. Is that show biz, too?

Fox is a news network, but Prime time is not news time. That's opinion show time.

[nowhereman 1]

The term "terrorism" is always used for "unspeakable" crimes, by some here on VJ. Given that fact, some of these same people oppose capital punishment for the same crimes....Go figure....

Irrespective of crime titles (capital murder, terrorism, nutcase, etc....), this case requires the immediate execution of the "accused"...

Immediately guilty, since people saw him do it and one shot him....He should hang.....soon.

A quick and fair trial first....

Edit for spelling....

I support capital punishment and as for whether or not Hasan is a terrorist I apply the Department of Defense definition to determine that. My opinion on this matter has absolutely nothing to do with politics and I denounce the other VJ members that want to make this a political discussion (and worse bash anyone with a different view).

When is a terrorist not a terrorist? When he acts alone and doesn't identify himself as a terrorist. Glad we got that settled.

Apply the DoD definition & judge for yourself.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

The term "terrorism" is always used for "unspeakable" crimes, by some here on VJ. Given that fact, some of these same people oppose capital punishment for the same crimes....Go figure....

Irrespective of crime titles (capital murder, terrorism, nutcase, etc....), this case requires the immediate execution of the "accused"...

Immediately guilty, since people saw him do it and one shot him....He should hang.....soon.

A quick and fair trial first....

Edit for spelling....

I support capital punishment and as for whether or not Hasan is a terrorist I apply the Department of Defense definition to determine that. My opinion on this matter has absolutely nothing to do with politics and I denounce the other VJ members that want to make this a political discussion (and worse bash anyone with a different view).

Why not? You bash any conservative who has a different view than you do?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't really think its much of coincidence that people are arguing about whether this is or is not terrorism - especially in light of the last 8 years and a government that was notorious for twisting and stretching legalities and legal definitions to make things appear other than they are.

If you bought the idea that a Iraqi teenager with a rifle who snipes a US soldier from some bushes is a terrorist and can be treated as such, then clearly you're going to buy the idea that a guy with no direct links to an organized paramilitary group is also a terrorist.