Europe or US to meet? Visa questions.

[visaveteran 0]

If she insists on coming to you, you're probably dealing with a scam artist.

Except that she's not. She said she was going to leave location up to him. Everything the OP's posted sounds like she's legit.

More compelling is the fact that they are not talking about meeting until spring. Most scammers want to move fast with money transfers for "visa packages."

If their willing to wait so long to meet, they should do well with the K-1 visa wait.

[Chris M 1]

Well her story goes something like this... She is 28, I am 34. She has a degree in economics and will have another degree in finance in February. She has gone as far as taking video of herself in her class while her teacher is teaching (which I thought was very cute). This is one of the reasons we are waiting til the spring. We thought the weather would be better and we would have more time to get to know one another as well. She is a very sweet girl and you can see it in her eyes and hear it in her voice she is true. I really don't want to put her on trial here. I appreciate the help, but I do not think her honesty the issue. She did tell me she was married (to a Russian) before, and the reason she left him was because he drank too much. I can truly appreciate her courage and honesty in that. She has showed me through pictures and video the area in which she lives. She is in these videos and has addressed me continually. She has stayed up until 1 or 2 in the morning emailing me when she has to be at work the next day.

So to me she is a good person with a big heart. I am not a gullible guy, but I admit the first month and a half of conversation I was trying to figure her out as well. Of course I do not want to be taken for a fool, but I can assure you she is a great girl who has a lot to offer. I appreciate you al looking out for the "New Guy," but I do not want to question her intentions anymore.

So on to other issues... I guess I will be thinking about where we want to go. It seems like there are many options. If I did DR I would be fine, but it would be along trip for her. If I go to Russia it would be a long trip for me. either way I think we will bother be tired. Oh well, the world is not in one time zone. I know we have some time to think about this, so I will continue to run this by her to see what she wants to do as well. Either way we are 12 hours apart and someone, or both of us are going to be tired. ha ha.

Thanks again guys.

Edited September 26, 2009 by Chris M

[clueless_in_usa 8]

Well her story goes something like this... She is 28, I am 34. She has a degree in economics and will have another degree in finance in February. She has gone as far as taking video of herself in her class while her teacher is teaching (which I thought was very cute). This is one of the reasons we are waiting til the spring. We thought the weather would be better and we would have more time to get to know one another as well. She is a very sweet girl and you can see it in her eyes and hear it in her voice she is true. I really don't want to put her on trial here. I appreciate the help, but I do not think her honesty the issue. She did tell me she was married (to a Russian) before, and the reason she left him was because he drank too much. I can truly appreciate her courage and honesty in that. She has showed me through pictures and video the area in which she lives. She is in these videos and has addressed me continually. She has stayed up until 1 or 2 in the morning emailing me when she has to be at work the next day.

So to me she is a good person with a big heart. I am not a gullible guy, but I admit the first month and a half of conversation I was trying to figure her out as well. Of course I do not want to be taken for a fool, but I can assure you she is a great girl who has a lot to offer. I appreciate you al looking out for the "New Guy," but I do not want to question her intentions anymore.

So on to other issues... I guess I will be thinking about where we want to go. It seems like there are many options. If I did DR I would be fine, but it would be along trip for her. If I go to Russia it would be a long trip for me. either way I think we will bother be tired. Oh well, the world is not in one time zone. I know we have some time to think about this, so I will continue to run this by her to see what she wants to do as well. Either way we are 12 hours apart and someone, or both of us are going to be tired. ha ha.

Thanks again guys.

My friend don't ask me why, but if you were born between 11-FEB-1975 and 30-JAN-1976 and she was born between 5-FEB-1981 and 24-JAN-1982, that is a very bad combination and you better run for the hills, because sooner or later you are going to feel oppressed and very unhappy as a result.

These relationships are sweet at the beginning, but the differences run so deep that you two will have a difficult time making it work, no matter how hard you try. I understand that every personality is different, but I learned the hard way. So, why tempt fate?

If any of you falls outside those dates, then everything should be more workable. Believe me only if you want, but I am not joking about this. Sorry for being negative, but ...

[BluesTraveler 0]

I am not a gullible guy, but I admit the first month and a half of conversation I was trying to figure her out as well.

ya...good luck with that one!!! You could spend the rest of your life trying to figure a woman out, it is a fools errand.

Of course I do not want to be taken for a fool, but I can assure you she is a great girl who has a lot to offer. I appreciate you al looking out for the "New Guy," but I do not want to question her intentions anymore.

Well if she is trying to finish school then I can totally understand the small delay before meeting. Although she should have some time at New Years where if you have the vacation time, I would suggest meeting her then. New Year's in Russia is well, there really is only one way to put it, it is fracking awesome!!! Everyone should try it.

Ask more questions, get opinions, filter them out and decide what is best for you.

Best of luck to ya.

[amberdima 6]

My friend don't ask me why, but if you were born between 11-FEB-1975 and 30-JAN-1976 and she was born between 5-FEB-1981 and 24-JAN-1982, that is a very bad combination and you better run for the hills, because sooner or later you are going to feel oppressed and very unhappy as a result.

These relationships are sweet at the beginning, but the differences run so deep that you two will have a difficult time making it work, no matter how hard you try. I understand that every personality is different, but I learned the hard way. So, why tempt fate?

If any of you falls outside those dates, then everything should be more workable. Believe me only if you want, but I am not joking about this. Sorry for being negative, but ...

are you consulting the chinese zodiac place mat at the local buffet? ridiculous

[clueless_in_usa 8]

are you consulting the chinese zodiac place mat at the local buffet? ridiculous

Agree! Sounds ridiculous, but why make it more difficult than it already is?

If they fit the profile I mentioned, let the love birds consummate their wishes and desires, but I hope that they report back in a couple years. I would love to be proven wrong on this one, because so far I have not seen one successful example. By successful I do not mean that they tolerate each other, but that they are very happy living together and love each other very much.

Good friends, but terrible lovers. Misunderstandings abound and they are very easy to come by.

[clueless_in_usa 8]

Chris, did I mention it's a nuthouse? You thought I was trying to make a funny, dint'cha?

Mox, thank you for saying that I am nuts...

... after waiting eight months I am ready to jump from a tree

Less than two weeks left. I better start cleaning

instead of spending all my free time in this nuthouse.

[baron555 934]

Well her story goes something like this... She is 28, I am 34. She has a degree in economics and will have another degree in finance in February. She has gone as far as taking video of herself in her class while her teacher is teaching (which I thought was very cute). This is one of the reasons we are waiting til the spring. We thought the weather would be better and we would have more time to get to know one another as well. She is a very sweet girl and you can see it in her eyes and hear it in her voice she is true. I really don't want to put her on trial here. I appreciate the help, but I do not think her honesty the issue. She did tell me she was married (to a Russian) before, and the reason she left him was because he drank too much. I can truly appreciate her courage and honesty in that. She has showed me through pictures and video the area in which she lives. She is in these videos and has addressed me continually. She has stayed up until 1 or 2 in the morning emailing me when she has to be at work the next day.

So to me she is a good person with a big heart. I am not a gullible guy, but I admit the first month and a half of conversation I was trying to figure her out as well. Of course I do not want to be taken for a fool, but I can assure you she is a great girl who has a lot to offer. I appreciate you al looking out for the "New Guy," but I do not want to question her intentions anymore.

So on to other issues... I guess I will be thinking about where we want to go. It seems like there are many options. If I did DR I would be fine, but it would be along trip for her. If I go to Russia it would be a long trip for me. either way I think we will bother be tired. Oh well, the world is not in one time zone. I know we have some time to think about this, so I will continue to run this by her to see what she wants to do as well. Either way we are 12 hours apart and someone, or both of us are going to be tired. ha ha.

Thanks again guys.

Chris, it will be a long trip for either; I suggest you make the long part of any trip. That will show to her (and yourself) that you are committed. She will know the struggle you will have. I suggest you meet somewhere close to her. I've suggested Ukraine since you do not need a visa and it would be a two day train trip for her. If you both have never been there, then it's perfect. Remember though, unless you have tons of time, hopefully you two will be more interested in each other than your surroundings.

[visaveteran 0]

If you make the long trip, all you have to look forward to is cold weather, nutty prices for basic items, lousy hotels, expensive but only fair food and jet lag from hell.

Bit if she comes to the DR, she has everything to look forward to...a great hotel, the Caribbean beach, great food, warm weather, a romantic setting. How often does a Russian woman have to run around in a bikini?

If you have to prove something to her, you will prove you are willing to bring her to paradise. This is great gift for her...and a good beginning to your actual relationship.

At some point you may need to go to Russia...but don't rush it.

[Chris M 1]

Well her story goes something like this... She is 28, I am 34. She has a degree in economics and will have another degree in finance in February. She has gone as far as taking video of herself in her class while her teacher is teaching (which I thought was very cute). This is one of the reasons we are waiting til the spring. We thought the weather would be better and we would have more time to get to know one another as well. She is a very sweet girl and you can see it in her eyes and hear it in her voice she is true. I really don't want to put her on trial here. I appreciate the help, but I do not think her honesty the issue. She did tell me she was married (to a Russian) before, and the reason she left him was because he drank too much. I can truly appreciate her courage and honesty in that. She has showed me through pictures and video the area in which she lives. She is in these videos and has addressed me continually. She has stayed up until 1 or 2 in the morning emailing me when she has to be at work the next day.

So to me she is a good person with a big heart. I am not a gullible guy, but I admit the first month and a half of conversation I was trying to figure her out as well. Of course I do not want to be taken for a fool, but I can assure you she is a great girl who has a lot to offer. I appreciate you al looking out for the "New Guy," but I do not want to question her intentions anymore.

So on to other issues... I guess I will be thinking about where we want to go. It seems like there are many options. If I did DR I would be fine, but it would be along trip for her. If I go to Russia it would be a long trip for me. either way I think we will bother be tired. Oh well, the world is not in one time zone. I know we have some time to think about this, so I will continue to run this by her to see what she wants to do as well. Either way we are 12 hours apart and someone, or both of us are going to be tired. ha ha.

Thanks again guys.

My friend don't ask me why, but if you were born between 11-FEB-1975 and 30-JAN-1976 and she was born between 5-FEB-1981 and 24-JAN-1982, that is a very bad combination and you better run for the hills, because sooner or later you are going to feel oppressed and very unhappy as a result.

These relationships are sweet at the beginning, but the differences run so deep that you two will have a difficult time making it work, no matter how hard you try. I understand that every personality is different, but I learned the hard way. So, why tempt fate?

If any of you falls outside those dates, then everything should be more workable. Believe me only if you want, but I am not joking about this. Sorry for being negative, but ...

That is amazing... I got the same thing in a fortune cookie the other day. I had no idea I could get psychologist helps from this site too. Come on guys, I am asking basic questions of how to go about meeting someone. I have never believed in all that fortune teller ####### and never will. I am looking for advice and not a psycho analysis on what kind of person I am, or girl she is. To be honest I have been on this site for less than 24 hours and all this talk about who I should or should not date because her birthday falls on the year of the Rat (or some other rodent), has gotten me a little discouraged. I would talk to my Italian mother if I needed this advice on who to date. So far the site has lived up to it's nuthouse name, thanks Mox. ha ha

I am not trying to be rude here, but being honest. I realize this will be a hard, arduous journey, but if she's worth fighting for, then dammit I'll be on point.

So on a lighter note, I am perfectly happy with going to see her is Russia or Ukraine (or some place we both would not have a problem seeing each other), and we talked about it. I am definitely OK with it. Again, I believe she is worth it.

Edited September 26, 2009 by Chris M

[eekee 182]

I don't get all of this WAH WAH RUSSIA SUCKS talk.

[Neonred 3,950]

I went to visit my girl in her home town and I was very glad that I did. Got to see exactly how she lives and meet her friends, that are now our friends. For the last part of my first trip we went to Moscow together for a few days. It was a nice time site seeing together for both of us, and worked out well as I left directly from Moscow to return home and a few hours later she was able to leave and return to her home.

[Rob_Lesya 4]

Yes I do have her address and have sent her a few little things before. The other day Tanya told me she would need to travel to Moscow to go to the US or European embassy for the visas. I told her I was concerned about her traveling all this way to Moscow. She lives close to Kemerovo, Russia in Siberia. She told me "Yes Moscow is far, 4 hours of flight or 2,5 day by train.. But in comparison with distance between us... If it is necessary, I certainly shall overcome this journey." I would just be concerned for her during this long trip, so this would be another reason for me to do all the leg work in getting to see her.

I hate to ask this, but all the K-1 and Schengen tourist visa is new to me. I am quite a newbie too all this an honestly do not know what these are. I can do a search for them and figure them out, but when I say I am green.... I am green.

I guess in keeping with my original post about Tanya coming to the US for a visit, what should we do or expect? As another option. If she really wanted to come here or meet in Europe. Is there anything we should be doing other than getting applications together for the visa? Again.... quite green.

thank you all for your help.

Chris

I'm going to bite my tongue really, really hard in order to avoid responding to some of the absolutely ridiculous advice that's been given so far in this thread regarding conditions in Russia and how much more wonderful certain other destinations might be.

I simply want to add one fact that you and Tanya might not be aware of --- she doesn't necessarily have to travel all the way to Moscow to obtain a tourist visa. Kemerovo is one of the areas which has a choice of going to either Moscow or Ekaterinburg in order to apply for non-immigrant (i.e., tourist) visas. Ekaterinburg is much closer and might be a better choice for her if she were planning to travel by train. If you eventually apply for a K1 or some other visa to allow her to immigrate here, then she would have to apply in Moscow for that visa.

If you're serious about having a real relationship with this girl-- visit her in her hometown, meet her family, her friends, see how she lives. You'll have an entire lifetime in which to take vacations together.

[Chris M 1]

I'm going to bite my tongue really, really hard in order to avoid responding to some of the absolutely ridiculous advice that's been given so far in this thread regarding conditions in Russia and how much more wonderful certain other destinations might be.

I simply want to add one fact that you and Tanya might not be aware of --- she doesn't necessarily have to travel all the way to Moscow to obtain a tourist visa. Kemerovo is one of the areas which has a choice of going to either Moscow or Ekaterinburg in order to apply for non-immigrant (i.e., tourist) visas. Ekaterinburg is much closer and might be a better choice for her if she were planning to travel by train. If you eventually apply for a K1 or some other visa to allow her to immigrate here, then she would have to apply in Moscow for that visa.

If you're serious about having a real relationship with this girl-- visit her in her hometown, meet her family, her friends, see how she lives. You'll have an entire lifetime in which to take vacations together.

Thank you Rob. I think it has been determined that I will visit her there. I am excited to see her in Russia. Thank you for the advice on Ekaterinburg. I am not sure if she knew about this either. Thank you very much.

[baron555 934]

I'm going to bite my tongue really, really hard in order to avoid responding to some of the absolutely ridiculous advice that's been given so far in this thread regarding conditions in Russia and how much more wonderful certain other destinations might be.

I simply want to add one fact that you and Tanya might not be aware of --- she doesn't necessarily have to travel all the way to Moscow to obtain a tourist visa. Kemerovo is one of the areas which has a choice of going to either Moscow or Ekaterinburg in order to apply for non-immigrant (i.e., tourist) visas. Ekaterinburg is much closer and might be a better choice for her if she were planning to travel by train. If you eventually apply for a K1 or some other visa to allow her to immigrate here, then she would have to apply in Moscow for that visa.

If you're serious about having a real relationship with this girl-- visit her in her hometown, meet her family, her friends, see how she lives. You'll have an entire lifetime in which to take vacations together.

Thank you Rob. I think it has been determined that I will visit her there. I am excited to see her in Russia. Thank you for the advice on Ekaterinburg. I am not sure if she knew about this either. Thank you very much.

Chris don't get discouraged by the harmless riff raff; all of these folks are actually very helpful. Sometimes their Russian Woman has to hit them over the head with a rolling pin and we suffer for a few days while their brains reset.

I agree on you going to visit her; or as I've suggested you two visit each other but somewhere over there.

Do you guys Skype? Alla and I have found that to be a God-send. Almost like being there. All signs you have mentioned point to a very real and nice relationship. Good luck. Phil