U.S.- Mexico border "incident", 4 shot

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Probably because the US for all its many faults hasn't sunk so low that we practice barbarism on our own soil while the rest of the world looks on aghast.

Then again, nothing says "welcome to my country" more than a pile of mouldering corpses lining the borders.

Compared to the US's immigration laws, anyone outside the EU has to go through quite a few hoops to get to the UK, let alone function in it.

People can literally walk in and setup shop here.

As I told you before the UKs immigration problem has little, if anything, to do with immigrants from outside the EU.

[natty bumppo 297]

Wouldn't bother me to give them one warning before shooting them.

the shot would be aimed at which part of the persons body?

[zqt3344 21]

The fact of matter is the reason these Mexicans and any other Latino from the southern USA border attempt to come across illegally is because there has been little or no law enforcement in the USA for so long they do not fear the USA laws at all, could care less, which why anyone would want someone like that to be allowed to stay and be granted amnesty in the USA is clueless. Then what happens when another 20 million plus or more show up to ruin this country and they do ruin this country, all they are doing is taking and sending money back to their country. Booyah is right, it is too easy for someone to come into USA and start working and living unlike in other countries where the laws are enforced and people have to prove they have a right to be there and work!

Wouldn't bother me to give them one warning before shooting them.

the shot would be aimed at which part of the persons body?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

All this talk of illegal immigration and the article is talking about an incident that happened for unknown reasons at an official border crossing.

There's no mention of illegal immigration at all.

[natty bumppo 297]

All this talk of illegal immigration and the article is talking about an incident that happened for unknown reasons at an official border crossing.

There's no mention of illegal immigration at all.

must have been trying to crash the gate to get to the party on the other side ....

[zqt3344 21]

Are you able to understand English? What does Human Trafficers mean to you? I do believe that was in the article was it not? Hello anyone home in there Pvt Pike aka Gene Hunt?

All this talk of illegal immigration and the article is talking about an incident that happened for unknown reasons at an official border crossing.

There's no mention of illegal immigration at all.

[Peikko 1,575]

I think they should give one warning and then shoot anyone on our side of the fence or border and toss then back. As the bodies pile up, it will become more of a deterent.

You're advocating murder. Even Mexicans have the right to due process.

He DID say to give a warning shot. Sheesh.

Seriously, when the government ENDS the economic incentive to come here illegally and the economic incentive to smuggle people here illegally, this stuff will stop. But the proposals (amnesty!!!!) are nothing more than freeing slaves but not ending slavery. When we make it horribly expensive for business to employ illegal aliens by imposing bankruptcy causing taxes for employing them and seizing the property of employers that employ them to pay the tax...the slaves will be freed, they can all walk home and will no longer be oppressed, herded, smuggled and SHOT.

The current proposals are simply a way to look good (free the current slaves) and encourage more to take their place. It is revolting that both political parties continue to oppress an entire population and the economic situation of several countries for their own selfish political expediencies, and it is revolting that Americans watch a race of people being enslaved.

So you are an Obama supporter, he's well on his way to creating the economic conditions to end illegal immigration.

[Heracles 417]

Probably because the US for all its many faults hasn't sunk so low that we practice barbarism on our own soil while the rest of the world looks on aghast.

Then again, nothing says "welcome to my country" more than a pile of mouldering corpses lining the borders.

Compared to the US's immigration laws, anyone outside the EU has to go through quite a few hoops to get to the UK, let alone function in it.

People can literally walk in and setup shop here.

As I told you before the UKs immigration problem has little, if anything, to do with immigrants from outside the EU.

Because it is not a problem for the reason stated above. Furthermore, the fines also heavily outweigh the benefits of hiring an illegal alien. The UK does not have these stupid back and forwards games of whether something is a local police matter, state matter, federal matter etc. etc. Even when in custody for other offenses, illegal aliens almost always are set free here because county police do not handle immigration status issues.

Australian police on the other hand would have apprehended the person and held him for the ICE equivalent officials. The individual would have been processed, had an appeal and then flown overseas. Would receive a stern warning of never return without a visa otherwise you will be imprisoned and then deported again; with no chance of migrating there again for 10 years. That's the illegal alien side of things. Anyone caught employing or doing business with an illegal alien faces hefty fines and even jail time themselves. Thus, why illegal aliens are hardly an issue in AUS.

Edited September 23, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Probably because the US for all its many faults hasn't sunk so low that we practice barbarism on our own soil while the rest of the world looks on aghast.

Then again, nothing says "welcome to my country" more than a pile of mouldering corpses lining the borders.

Compared to the US's immigration laws, anyone outside the EU has to go through quite a few hoops to get to the UK, let alone function in it.

People can literally walk in and setup shop here.

As I told you before the UKs immigration problem has little, if anything, to do with immigrants from outside the EU.

Because it is not a problem for the reason stated above. Furthermore, the fines also heavily outweigh the benefits of hiring an illegal alien. The UK does not have these stupid back and forwards games of whether something is a local police matter, state matter, federal matter etc. etc. Even when in custody for other offenses, illegal aliens almost always are set free because county police do not handle immigration status issues. Australian police on the other hand would have apprehended the person and held him for their ICE officials. The individual would have been processed, had an appeal and then flown overseas. with a stern warning of never return without a visa otherwise you will be imprisoned and then deported again. That's the illegal alien side of things. Anyone caught employer or doing business with an illegal aliens faces hefty fines and even jail time themselves. Thus, why illegal aliens are hardly an issue in AUS.

BY, if the US were to form an "American Union" with Mexico and every Central and South American country south of the border and essentially create broad brush laws that allow the citizens of those countries to move and work in whichever country they choose without having to apply for a visa, then you'll have some idea of the situation in Europe and the UK.

[Heracles 417]

BY, if the US were to form an "American Union" with Mexico and every Central and South American country south of the border and essentially create broad brush laws that allow the citizens of those countries to move and work in whichever country they choose without having to apply for a visa, then you'll have some idea of the situation in Europe and the UK.

Why is why I clearly stated what about those from outside the EU. It's a pain in the azz for an Aussie to go there and were still part of the commonwealth.

The US could never do that because Mexico is technically considered a third world country, while the US and Canada are first world. If the US was to open border with anyone I would do it with Europe, Canada, Japan, New Zealand and Australia. I guarantee you though that hell of a lot of Americans would move out. Actually there would be a huge immigration shift. I bet even more Brits would pack up and head to AUS.

Edit: They clearly don't want to sit in the UK while Pike equivalents ponder the why.

Edited September 23, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The point I was making is that more problems arise from legal immigration than from illegal immigration - for the simple reason that the EU has essentially done away with the concept of illegal immigration, from a practical perspective.

There are a lot of resentments about the expansion of the EU into Eastern Europe for precisely this reason.

[Heracles 417]

The point I was making is that more problems arise from legal immigration than from illegal immigration - for the simple reason that the EU has essentially done away with the concept of illegal immigration, from a practical perspective.

There are a lot of resentments about the expansion of the EU into Eastern Europe for precisely this reason.

The EU has been able to do so because they do not border third world countries. Australia has the same deal with New Zealand. We don't even need a passport to travel to one another's country anymore. For someone outside the EU, it's almost impossible to function in the country without facing the various roadblocks.

Edited September 23, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The point I was making is that more problems arise from legal immigration than from illegal immigration - for the simple reason that the EU has essentially done away with the concept of illegal immigration, from a practical perspective.

There are a lot of resentments about the expansion of the EU into Eastern Europe for precisely this reason.

The EU has been able to do so because they do not border third world countries. Australia has the same deal with New Zealand. We don't even need a passport to travel to one another's country anymore. London has suffered by the suppressed wages as a result of the cheap labor coming from the eastern block countries. Nonetheless, for someone outside the EU, it's almost impossible to function in the country without facing the various roadblocks.

BY, the EU now includes member states from the Baltic regions and the former USSR.

If the US did that with Mexico, you'd have the same problems it does currently (if not worse), except that for practical purposes the unskilled manual workers wouldn't have the "illegal" designation.

[mawilson 2,133]

Everyone has a right to due process.

Only on this side of the border.

[HAL 9000 96]

All this talk of illegal immigration and the article is talking about an incident that happened for unknown reasons at an official border crossing.

There's no mention of illegal immigration at all.

You mean it could've been some high/drunk Gringo coming home 'thinking' they were above common sense?