Unwinnable War?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I wouldn't sign up - who would want to become a tool of the State?

Hold it Hold it. Are you becoming a conservative. You dont want to be a tool of the state? Wow !! You are finally coming to terms with the idea of less goverment a more freedoms and choice. It feels liberating doesn't it?

Yes - not signing up = the freedom not to get your head blown off for a bull$hit cause, or spending the rest of your life crippled and disabled with the consolation that your service and sacrifice actually meant something.

have u got a better reason our highly trained teams were not sent in to extract ben?

or is it that we really dont have that ability

sara

We don't have the ability.

[NickD 203]

I wouldn't sign up - who would want to become a tool of the State?

Hold it Hold it. Are you becoming a conservative. You dont want to be a tool of the state? Wow !! You are finally coming to terms with the idea of less goverment a more freedoms and choice. It feels liberating doesn't it?

Yes - not signing up = the freedom not to get your head blown off for a bull$hit cause, or spending the rest of your life crippled and disabled with the consolation that your service and sacrifice actually meant something.

have u got a better reason our highly trained teams were not sent in to extract ben?

or is it that we really dont have that ability

sara

We don't have the ability.

You have had to be in our military to appreciate that, first off, you are an 18 year old kid with practically no common sense, second, you are trained to fear your commanders more than the enemy, your commanders can really hang you that leads to the 3rd, you have got to follow orders, whether right or wrong if you even have enough sense to formed an opionion at that young age. One reason why our military likes kids.

Then it doesn't take much of a brain to figure out that these orders originate from the top, now who can that be? Could it be the commander in chief?

While in the military, you do not have the rights as a common citizen, so you can kick out the US Constitution, and come to realize, you are in a complete dictatorship form of government.

Edited August 17, 2009 by NickD

[Danno 1,228]

Yep - I don't think any of the wars this country have fought since WW2 have been "legitimate", certainly not necessary by any stretch of the imagination that doesn't involved entrenched economic or strategic self-interest.

In this case it was the arrogance of the Bush Administration starting wars they couldn't finish - and in so doing putting the country in a very bad position with extremely limited options.

I'm confused, are you talking about the USA or your country?

Because it was Your country which made a commitment to defend POland from the Germans... when you had no means to do so (Nor did you) when Poland was attacked By The Germans and Russians.

In fact you only waged war against Germany (Via America help).. and not Russia who also invaded Poland at the same time.

Lesson: Don't make War guarantees you can't back up.

I wouldn't sign up - who would want to become a tool of the State?

Psssst: Thats what are when you support Big Govt. programs.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yep - I don't think any of the wars this country have fought since WW2 have been "legitimate", certainly not necessary by any stretch of the imagination that doesn't involved entrenched economic or strategic self-interest.

In this case it was the arrogance of the Bush Administration starting wars they couldn't finish - and in so doing putting the country in a very bad position with extremely limited options.

I'm confused, are you talking about the USA or your country?

Because it was Your country which made a commitment to defend POland from the Germans... when you had no means to do so (Nor did you) when Poland was attacked By The Germans and Russians.

In fact you only waged war against Germany (Via America help).. and not Russia who also invaded Poland at the same time.

Lesson: Don't make War guarantees you can't back up.

I was talking about the USA, Danno. Given that the thread was discussing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan I'd have thought it was pretty obvious.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I wouldn't sign up - who would want to become a tool of the State?

Psssst: Thats what are when you support Big Govt. programs.

Psssst: "Rugged individuality" is a feel-good myth.

[NickD 203]

Yep - I don't think any of the wars this country have fought since WW2 have been "legitimate", certainly not necessary by any stretch of the imagination that doesn't involved entrenched economic or strategic self-interest.

In this case it was the arrogance of the Bush Administration starting wars they couldn't finish - and in so doing putting the country in a very bad position with extremely limited options.

I'm confused, are you talking about the USA or your country?

Because it was Your country which made a commitment to defend POland from the Germans... when you had no means to do so (Nor did you) when Poland was attacked By The Germans and Russians.

In fact you only waged war against Germany (Via America help).. and not Russia who also invaded Poland at the same time.

Lesson: Don't make War guarantees you can't back up.

I wouldn't sign up - who would want to become a tool of the State?

Psssst: Thats what are when you support Big Govt. programs.

Was Bush also president of Poland? Gee, this is also a learning board.

[Danno 1,228]

i have had a question that has been on my mind since 9-11

i was living in Pakistan when that happened i never once thought that Afghanistan would be an issue. I, in my innocence thought ok they only want ben what ever (sorry wont give him the respect by saying his name) so we have highly trained persons that can go in and extract him with out having to involve so many countries in a war that will be almost impossible to win.

at that time so many countries were with us so i doubt that even Pakistan would have given us any flack over sending teams in to extract him, is it that i was wrong that we dont have teams that are trained just of situations like that?

Or was bushy just wanting a war. this is a serious question that im sure someone can answer for me

sara

Answer: Do you think "extracting" any top tier general or leader eliminates the threat of the over-all organization?

If The Enemy today could "extract" our President would that end operations in Afghanistan?

"Bushy" or whoever sits in the whitehouse needs to Eliminate any Organization which posses a threat to our security.

Extracting one person hardly accomplishes that.

[Peikko 1,575]

i have had a question that has been on my mind since 9-11

i was living in Pakistan when that happened i never once thought that Afghanistan would be an issue. I, in my innocence thought ok they only want ben what ever (sorry wont give him the respect by saying his name) so we have highly trained persons that can go in and extract him with out having to involve so many countries in a war that will be almost impossible to win.

at that time so many countries were with us so i doubt that even Pakistan would have given us any flack over sending teams in to extract him, is it that i was wrong that we dont have teams that are trained just of situations like that?

Or was bushy just wanting a war. this is a serious question that im sure someone can answer for me

sara

Answer: Do you think "extracting" any top tier general or leader eliminates the threat of the over-all organization?

If The Enemy today could "extract" our President would that end operations in Afghanistan?

"Bushy" or whoever sits in the whitehouse needs to Eliminate any Organization which posses a threat to our security.

Extracting one person hardly accomplishes that.

If they posed an actual threat...

Be that as it may, the reality is this is not a 'war' that is winnable through conventional means - the Dutch have it right, but are pulling out, more's the pity.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What exactly are we doing in Afghanistan - Propping up a corrupt and failing government that can't stand up on its own?

[alienlovechild 75]

have u got a better reason our highly trained teams were not sent in to extract ben?

or is it that we really dont have that ability

That's wrong as there have been Special Forces in Afghanistan (and Pakistan?) for years. The problem lies in the difficult terrain and Bin Laden allying with folks that are loyal enough not to go for bribes. The conspiracy divisions may now add Obama to the list since he has not gotten OLB either despite his troop surge in Afghanistan and Predator missile attacks in Pakistan.

In this case it was the arrogance of the Bush Administration starting wars they couldn't finish - and in so doing putting the country in a very bad position with extremely limited options.

Technically correct but the Iraq War wound down during Bush's presidency to nearly the point of insignificance as a national issue in the U.S. Certainly Obama can claim little credit (or blame) for Iraq.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In this case it was the arrogance of the Bush Administration starting wars they couldn't finish - and in so doing putting the country in a very bad position with extremely limited options.

Technically correct but the Iraq War wound down during Bush's presidency to nearly the point of insignificance as a national issue in the U.S. Certainly Obama can claim little credit (or blame) for Iraq.

Yes - it was a good thing that economic crash came along to take people's minds off things.

How the war is perceived by the general public doesn't change the tactical realities faced by the government in trying to bring it to a close. If it devolves into civil war - you can bet it will be a front page story once again.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Yep - I don't think any of the wars this country have fought since WW2 have been "legitimate", certainly not necessary by any stretch of the imagination that doesn't involved entrenched economic or strategic self-interest.

In this case it was the arrogance of the Bush Administration starting wars they couldn't finish - and in so doing putting the country in a very bad position with extremely limited options.

I'm confused, are you talking about the USA or your country?

Because it was Your country which made a commitment to defend POland from the Germans... when you had no means to do so (Nor did you) when Poland was attacked By The Germans and Russians.

In fact you only waged war against Germany (Via America help).. and not Russia who also invaded Poland at the same time.

Lesson: Don't make War guarantees you can't back up.

I wouldn't sign up - who would want to become a tool of the State?

Psssst: Thats what are when you support Big Govt. programs.

It was a agreement to come to the Netherlands aid and not Poland

[Danno 1,228]

What exactly are we doing in Afghanistan - Propping up a corrupt and failing government that can't stand up on its own?

It may or may not but this is what we get with the "Kinder Gentler" way of doing war.

If it's worth going to war it should be worth acting serious, you can win with fear of killing innocent peps.

Ask the city of Dresden Germany.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yes its pity these days that we can't indulge total war isn't it.

How dare those bastards at the UN spoil our fun. Tricky ####### knew what he was doing when he asked Henry Kissinger to "think outside the box".

The halcyon days of rape and pillage!

[Peikko 1,575]

What exactly are we doing in Afghanistan - Propping up a corrupt and failing government that can't stand up on its own?

It may or may not but this is what we get with the "Kinder Gentler" way of doing war.

If it's worth going to war it should be worth acting serious, you can win with fear of killing innocent peps.

Ask the city of Dresden Germany.

I think you should spend some time with some ww2 vets, before it's too late. Their feelings on killing innocent people was what led to the mass wave of revulsion against war and hence the notion of a peace keeping force that had no national allegiance. Sadly, national interests in the US were always the biggest obstacle to that being anything more than a 'unicorn and rainbows' project.