221(g) denail requesting more information

[andya 0]

Hello,

My wife in Vietnam recently received a 221(g) denial letter after her visa interview, and what the Consulate apparently wants from me is the following:

"PETITIONER: In a sworn, notarized statement, please provide a detailed chronology (timeline) of your relationship. please explain clearly when and how you first met, how you were introduced and when you began corresponding with each other, when you felt your relationship became serious, date and circumstances of marriage proposal..etc, please give as many details as possible"

I was wondering if anyone else encountered this response from the Consulate and if I should get an immigration lawyer to help with preparing the statement and itemizing the "supporting evidence". The Consulate isnt specific about what evidence it requires.

any help would be appreciated,

thanks,

-Andy

[ScottThuy 140]

Its common.. do some reading here http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=205736

[andya 0]

Its common.. do some reading here http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=205736

thanks

[Anh map 2,098]

That isn't a denial, it is a request for evidence. Is that the only information that is being requested?

You should be able to create this without any help from an attorney. You should prepare a list in chronological order with all the significant events and dates.

This is a common request from HCMC as Scott stated.

[andya 0]

That isn't a denial, it is a request for evidence. Is that the only information that is being requested?

You should be able to create this without any help from an attorney. You should prepare a list in chronological order with all the significant events and dates.

This is a common request from HCMC as Scott stated.

As evidenced by the amount of posts in the previous link, and no I only provided a summary of the information requested; after reading some posts the 221(g) appears identical to others, thanks.

[Anh map 2,098]

Be sure to respond to each item requested by the stated date. And give them more than enough evidence. HCMC is not a place to try and "just get by."

[andya 0]

Be sure to respond to each item requested by the stated date. And give them more than enough evidence. HCMC is not a place to try and "just get by."

In anyone's experience how often are Visas denied after the interview in this stage of the application process?

(after submitting requested documentation to satisfy the 221(g) requirement )

[ScottThuy 140]

Be sure to respond to each item requested by the stated date. And give them more than enough evidence. HCMC is not a place to try and "just get by."

In anyone's experience how often are Visas denied after the interview in this stage of the application process?

(after submitting requested documentation to satisfy the 221(g) requirement )

If all they are looking for is the timeline, you are likely in real good shape... be sure that the timeline matches everything that you have submitted already... one mistake there, could cause a great deal of frustration on your part as they are quick to point out discrepencies as intentional misinformation on your part... grounds for denial...

[andya 0]

Be sure to respond to each item requested by the stated date. And give them more than enough evidence. HCMC is not a place to try and "just get by."

In anyone's experience how often are Visas denied after the interview in this stage of the application process?

(after submitting requested documentation to satisfy the 221(g) requirement )

If all they are looking for is the timeline, you are likely in real good shape... be sure that the timeline matches everything that you have submitted already... one mistake there, could cause a great deal of frustration on your part as they are quick to point out discrepencies as intentional misinformation on your part... grounds for denial...

okay thanks, I was thinking of omitting the specifics of the introduction; I've read the Consulate doesn't look too favorably on being introduced by relatives living in the US, but decided against it since that information was discussed at the interview

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Be sure to respond to each item requested by the stated date. And give them more than enough evidence. HCMC is not a place to try and "just get by."

In anyone's experience how often are Visas denied after the interview in this stage of the application process?

(after submitting requested documentation to satisfy the 221(g) requirement )

If all they are looking for is the timeline, you are likely in real good shape... be sure that the timeline matches everything that you have submitted already... one mistake there, could cause a great deal of frustration on your part as they are quick to point out discrepencies as intentional misinformation on your part... grounds for denial...

okay thanks, I was thinking of omitting the specifics of the introduction; I've read the Consulate doesn't look too favorably on being introduced by relatives living in the US, but decided against it since that information was discussed at the interview

It's not that they don't look favorably on it. It's just that they look more carefully at it.

They do specifically ask you to explain how you were introduced, so you should be honest about it.

Did they know about your being introduced by a family member before the interview? Was this mentioned on any of the documents you sent? Or, did they discover this in one of her responses to a question? If it was discovered during the interview questions then don't be surprised if you get another blue slip for a list of her relatives in the US. You might consider preparing this now.

[andya 0]

Be sure to respond to each item requested by the stated date. And give them more than enough evidence. HCMC is not a place to try and "just get by."

In anyone's experience how often are Visas denied after the interview in this stage of the application process?

(after submitting requested documentation to satisfy the 221(g) requirement )

If all they are looking for is the timeline, you are likely in real good shape... be sure that the timeline matches everything that you have submitted already... one mistake there, could cause a great deal of frustration on your part as they are quick to point out discrepencies as intentional misinformation on your part... grounds for denial...

okay thanks, I was thinking of omitting the specifics of the introduction; I've read the Consulate doesn't look too favorably on being introduced by relatives living in the US, but decided against it since that information was discussed at the interview

It's not that they don't look favorably on it. It's just that they look more carefully at it.

They do specifically ask you to explain how you were introduced, so you should be honest about it.

Did they know about your being introduced by a family member before the interview? Was this mentioned on any of the documents you sent? Or, did they discover this in one of her responses to a question? If it was discovered during the interview questions then don't be surprised if you get another blue slip for a list of her relatives in the US. You might consider preparing this now.

How would they know about the introduction before the interview? I don't recall this information being included or asked for in any documentation before the interview.

[andya 0]

Be sure to respond to each item requested by the stated date. And give them more than enough evidence. HCMC is not a place to try and "just get by."

In anyone's experience how often are Visas denied after the interview in this stage of the application process?

(after submitting requested documentation to satisfy the 221(g) requirement )

If all they are looking for is the timeline, you are likely in real good shape... be sure that the timeline matches everything that you have submitted already... one mistake there, could cause a great deal of frustration on your part as they are quick to point out discrepencies as intentional misinformation on your part... grounds for denial...

okay thanks, I was thinking of omitting the specifics of the introduction; I've read the Consulate doesn't look too favorably on being introduced by relatives living in the US, but decided against it since that information was discussed at the interview

It's not that they don't look favorably on it. It's just that they look more carefully at it.

They do specifically ask you to explain how you were introduced, so you should be honest about it.

Did they know about your being introduced by a family member before the interview? Was this mentioned on any of the documents you sent? Or, did they discover this in one of her responses to a question? If it was discovered during the interview questions then don't be surprised if you get another blue slip for a list of her relatives in the US. You might consider preparing this now.

How would they know about the introduction before the interview? I don't recall this information being included or asked for in any documentation before the interview.

Also thanks for the advice, I already have this information prepared.

[ScottThuy 140]

How would they know about the introduction before the interview? I don't recall this information being included or asked for in any documentation before the interview.

Declaration of how you met in person in the last two years. Question 18 of the I-129F.

I sure hope that everything you are providing them all matches up...HCMC does not look at it as a mistake.. they look at it as intentional misinformation.. grounds for denial...

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

How would they know about the introduction before the interview? I don't recall this information being included or asked for in any documentation before the interview.

It's kind of up to you, really. It depends on how much you "front-loaded" the petition, and how much information you offered. Being introduced by a family member is a red flag at the HCM consulate, so some people choose to address it with the original petition. The consulate isn't supposed to use evidence provided in the petition and approved by USCIS as a basis for denial, so front-loading the petition takes ammunition away from the consulate. As Scott said, question 18 on the I-129F provides an excellent opportunity for front-loading the petition and addressing red flags.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make was if the family member introduction was revealed in the original petition, and NOT during the interview, and the consulate didn't ask for the list of family members in the US on the blue slip, then they probably aren't going to ask for it now. They already know, and they evidently don't care.

However, you say this was revealed at the interview. Ok, here's what happened. The blue slip was ready before your wife ever got to the interview window. They already knew they were going to ask for the timeline. However, they didn't know about the relative who introduced you yet, and I'll bet they specifically asked her how you were introduced. Now they know about the relative, but it was too late to add it to the blue slip, so they just sent her off with the blue slip for the timeline. I think there's a good chance she'll get another blue slip for the list of relatives. If you prepare the list now, you might get away with submitting it with the timeline, and head off the second blue slip. The list should include names, addresses, phone numbers, how they are related to her, and any connection they have to you (i.e., you've met them, worked with them, etc.).

[andya 0]

How would they know about the introduction before the interview? I don't recall this information being included or asked for in any documentation before the interview.

Declaration of how you met in person in the last two years. Question 18 of the I-129F.

I sure hope that everything you are providing them all matches up...HCMC does not look at it as a mistake.. they look at it as intentional misinformation.. grounds for denial...

There isn't any contradictory evidence, just a possibility of missing evidence (the I-129F was prepared for me by someone with *some* experience with immigration laws; he is not an immigration lawyer) He did ask me information pertaining to question 18...whether or not that was included in the petition with the USCIS I will determine when I ask him. I am at the moment assuming at wasn't since the question arose during the interview.