The marriage in the US is it valid in my country?

[ACINLOVE 2]

Sorry for posting here but I don't know where else to do it.

I was wondering if my future marriage in the US it will be valid in Italy.

I always thought, for example, that marrying in Las Vegas wasn't recognized here.

Thanks

[ACINLOVE 2]

[clueless_in_usa 8]

Sorry for posting here but I don't know where else to do it.

I was wondering if my future marriage in the US it will be valid in Italy.

I always thought, for example, that marrying in Las Vegas wasn't recognized here.

Thanks

Marriage is marriage, no matter where it happens, as long as you fulfill all the legal requirements of such country.

If you want it recognized in Italy, you need to take the marriage certificate, properly certified, to the Italian consulate with jurisdiction where you marry. They know what to do with it.

[ACINLOVE 2]

Thank you.

So when I will be married and visiting Italy and they ask me if I am married (of course not friends or family but authority) I should answer yes.

Or they will say that till is not certified in Italy is not valid? Will I be single or married in my Italian papers? I know friends who married in Las Vegas and they didn't register the marriage in Italy so their status is "single"?

I am thinking about that because of papers I will have to fill for the italian IRS and pension.

Thanks again.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

Sorry for posting here but I don't know where else to do it.

I was wondering if my future marriage in the US it will be valid in Italy.

I always thought, for example, that marrying in Las Vegas wasn't recognized here.

Thanks

Legal marriages in the US are recognized in Italy.

[clueless_in_usa 8]

You are married (not single) the day you say "I do" in any country around the world. If you say otherwise, yo u will be breaking the law, even though you have not officially reported your marriage in that country.

Your marriage certificate has a date. Any claims to the contrary after that date can land you in a lot of trouble. You can get away with it, but if you don't, be prepared for the consequences.

[ACINLOVE 2]

No problem for me. I will claim my marriage but I am wondering for my friends who married in Vegas and now they are not a couple anymore.

Should I tell them that they have to divorce (actually one of them wants to propose to his new girlfriend).

This will be bad news because he wants to get marry in a church and in Italy if you are a divorced you cannot marry in a church anymore.

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

No problem for me. I will claim my marriage but I am wondering for my friends who married in Vegas and now they are not a couple anymore.

Should I tell them that they have to divorce (actually one of them wants to propose to his new girlfriend).

This will be bad news because he wants to get marry in a church and in Italy if you are a divorced you cannot marry in a church anymore.

Yes, he would need to get divorced, if he does not he is a bigamist. Not sure, but I think the church frowns on that also..yes?

I presume you mean the Catholic Church (just a wild guess) and Catholic Churches here have the same rule, though they usually get arround it by finding some convenient Religious loophole and declare an annulment. For example, the Catholic Church does not recognize civil marriages (again this is MUCH different from not being a legal marriage) and say that if they were married in a civil ceremony, then they really weren't married. BUT that is the CHURCH speaking and here in the USA the church has nothing to say about the LAW. A legal marriage requires a legal divorce. It is possible your friend could get a legal civil divorce and have the church annul the marriage. If they annul the marriage, neither the marriage or the divorce exist in the (bilnd) eyes of the church and eveyone saves face. Halleluiah!!!!!!! Probably depends on how much he has donated.

[ACINLOVE 2]

So I think I should call him first thing tomorrow! Thank you very much!

I will tell him to start donating.....you never know.

What about the Italian City Hall? Once you marry in Italy in the Catholic church you have to register it also to City hall and what he should bring? The divorce of the first marriage and certificate of the new one. Or maybe get an annulment of the first one (how to ask it from Italy?)

I am very confused. I don't want to scare him with my crazy talk so I want to be sure I know what I am talking about!

[Gary and Alla 3,696]

So I think I should call him first thing tomorrow! Thank you very much!

I will tell him to start donating.....you never know.

What about the Italian City Hall? Once you marry in Italy in the Catholic church you have to register it also to City hall and what he should bring? The divorce of the first marriage and certificate of the new one. Or maybe get an annulment of the first one (how to ask it from Italy?)

I am very confused. I don't want to scare him with my crazy talk so I want to be sure I know what I am talking about!

I really do not know the technical procedure in Italy. He should check on that.

[Angela & Paul 12]

Why do you worry about "church marriage"? In most countries, there is a separation of church and state and what counts here for the sake of this discussion is "civil marriage".

If you marry in the US, you have to go to your local consulate(s) and declare the marriage there. They will have forms ready for you. Get ready to translate your marriage certificate.

We submitted papers at both the Brazilian consulate (Angela's birth country) and French Consulate (my birth country). The procedure was very similar. It's actually good that you have nothing else to do, unlike divorces. The French Consulate will not help you to report a divorce, you have to work directly with the French tribunal, and the filing is very lengthy and painful (all divorce documents have to be translated, all signatures of officials - including notaries - have to have the "Apostille" from the Secretary of State, all signatures have to be notarized).

Last but not least, bigamy is illegal in most countries, so if your friend wants to end in jail, he should just go on and marry that new girlfriend

[Angela & Paul 12]

I forgot to mention, if you have been divorced, the Immigration Office asks for all documents proving the divorce.

And, interestingly enough, again for France, the Consulate will not validate a new marriage if the previous divorce was not entered on the ORIGINAL certificate of birth. Validating a new marriage when a divorce has not been entered can thus take a very long time (more than a year for sure).

[MapleLeafBaby 1]

So I think I should call him first thing tomorrow! Thank you very much!

I will tell him to start donating.....you never know.

What about the Italian City Hall? Once you marry in Italy in the Catholic church you have to register it also to City hall and what he should bring? The divorce of the first marriage and certificate of the new one. Or maybe get an annulment of the first one (how to ask it from Italy?)

I am very confused. I don't want to scare him with my crazy talk so I want to be sure I know what I am talking about!

Churches do take issue with 'divorced' in many cultures (Catholic, Orthodox), not only are you required to have legal divorce papers to remarry, but if they want to get married in the Church, they have to file an annulment with the Church. Once this is done, they can then 'remarry' in the Catholic church.

It's not easy, and many times takes long. Some churches make you take some form of 'classes' in order to fulfill the annulment requirement.

Your friend should inquire with the church.

I'm not sure about Catholic, but in the Greek Orthodox Church, they make you annul your marriage in the church in order to remarry in the church. I also had a friend that did this in the Catholic church. have your friend inquire now in case it takes a while.

Edited July 5, 2009 by poprocks

[brlukath 1]

FYI--

Marriage is not marriage. And every country does not automatically recognize the marriage of its citizens abroad, just because that marriage comports with local law. You may not be allowed to legally marry another person if you are married in another country (assuming bigamy is illegal in your country... in Italy, it is), but you will not enjoy the benefits of marriage in Italy. For example, eventual immigration benefits for your spouse.

Otherwise, most of the comments above are pretty accurate. You do have to register at the consulate, but many times you need to do it BEFORE you get married to make sure you comply with the laws of a valid marriage in the home country. In some countries it is difficult, if not impossible, to do this after the wedding. You may have to be married all over, which is not necessarily cheap. (Don't know about Italy on this point)

Here is a link to the relevant info for an Italian on the Italian embassy to the USA website (scusami per non cercare la versione italiana): http://www.ambwashingtondc.esteri.it/Ambas...i/Stato_civile/

[rebeccajo 14]

FYI--

Marriage is not marriage. And every country does not automatically recognize the marriage of its citizens abroad, just because that marriage comports with local law. You may not be allowed to legally marry another person if you are married in another country (assuming bigamy is illegal in your country... in Italy, it is), but you will not enjoy the benefits of marriage in Italy. For example, eventual immigration benefits for your spouse.

Otherwise, most of the comments above are pretty accurate. You do have to register at the consulate, but many times you need to do it BEFORE you get married to make sure you comply with the laws of a valid marriage in the home country. In some countries it is difficult, if not impossible, to do this after the wedding. You may have to be married all over, which is not necessarily cheap. (Don't know about Italy on this point)

Here is a link to the relevant info for an Italian on the Italian embassy to the USA website (scusami per non cercare la versione italiana): http://www.ambwashingtondc.esteri.it/Ambas...i/Stato_civile/

Thanks for clearing up the usual mess of the purported 'experts'.