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Capt. Kamaljit Kalsi

Sikhs Dispute Army Ban

Beards, turbans forbidden

By Deepti Hajela, Associated Press

2009/06/15

NEW YORK -- Military service is in Capt. Kamaljit Singh Kalsi's blood. His father and grandfather were part of the Indian air force. His great-grandfather served in the army in India under the British. So when U.S. Army recruiters talked to him during his first year of medical school, he readily signed up.

But his plans to go on active duty in July are now on hold. An Army policy from the 1980s that regulates the wearing of religious items means he will need to shave his beard and remove the turban he wears in accordance with his Sikh religion.

On the turban, there is actually a religiously-acceptable workaround; the Sikh can wear a kerchief over a topknot (basically dress as "uninitiated") and put protective headgear (such as hardhat or helmet) over it.

Capt. Kalsi and another Sikh man with the same concerns, 2nd Lt. Tejdeep Singh Rattan, are the centerpieces of an advocacy campaign launched by the Sikh Coalition as it tries to convince the Army to let the men serve without sacrificing their articles of faith.

"I'm an American, there's no reason why I can't serve," said Capt. Kalsi, 32.

The Army has a long-standing interest in how its members carry themselves, with policies that ban exotic hair colors, long fingernails and certain colors of lipstick.

Army officials declined to comment on the reasoning behind its policy that would force the Sikh men to give up their religious displays. Sikhs who were active-duty military when the policy was adopted were allowed to continue serving without shaving their beards or removing their turbans.

The Pentagon and other military institutions wouldn't comment. The Military Religious Freedom Foundation, an advocacy group, was unfamiliar with the policy's origins.

As the Sikh diaspora has spread across the world, the issue of turbans and beards on Sikhs in uniform has come up in many cities. In New York City, for example, Sikh traffic officers took successful legal action to force the city to allow them to wear turbans and beards.

The Sikh community is hopeful that it will win the policy appeal; in an April 29 letter to the Sikh Coalition, the director of the Army's Human Resources Policy Directorate said senior leadership was aware of the issue and was gathering information to make a decision. Toni Delancey, a spokeswoman for Army personnel, said the appeals are under review.

Sikh Coalition Executive Director Amardeep Singh said he hopes that not only are Capt. Kalsi and 2nd Lt. Rattan allowed to serve, but that the rule will be changed for all Sikhs who would want to enlist.

"Our country's military needs to reflect what America is right now," he said. "It's a diverse country. It's a country that puts forth for the rest of the world the values of liberty, particularly religious liberty."

Allowing Sikhs to serve with beards and turbans "will send a very strong message to the rest of the world that we are who we say we are."

The Sikh religion requires adherents to follow certain rules, among them that hair is not to be cut and for men, the wearing of a turban. Capt. Kalsi, an emergency-room doctor, and 2nd Lt. Rattan, a dental surgeon, say they were following those rules when they were recruited and never had any problems or were told they wouldn't be able to serve with their beards or turbans.

Both said they raised the issue over the years and were reassured, and that it wasn't until the end of last year when they were told they would not be allowed to serve as they had been.

The idea that he would have to choose between his country and his religion is hard for 2nd Lt. Rattan. "I'm offering my life, but I'm not willing to sacrifice my religious beliefs," he said.

Mr. Singh said it would be in the military's best interest to let Sikhs serve since the group has a long tradition of military service - in India, where most of its adherents are, and in the countries where Sikhs have made their homes, such as Canada and Britain.

"As part of our religious heritage, we're taught that we have an obligation to actively serve and protect the communities in which we live," he said.

In Canada, regulations for the armed forces allow Sikhs to keep their turbans and beards, and even determine what colors the different military branches can wear. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police allows turbans as well.

The British Army allows Sikhs to generally keep their articles of religion. For Sikhs who serve as civilian police officers, the British Police Sikh Association is pushing for development of bulletproof turbans. That would allow Sikhs to be part of firearms units because safety helmets don't fit over them.

Sikhs have a long history with the U.S. military, serving in World Wars I and II, the Korean and Vietnam wars, and in the Persian Gulf.

One of them is Army Col. Gopal Khalsa, who is retiring in November after more than three decades in uniform, all of those with a turban and beard.

His distinctive appearance has required some conversation and explanation at times, but it's never been a problem for him, or gotten in the way of carrying out his duties or wearing his military equipment.

"Of course there's a lot of looks, but once people get to know you, and you're doing the job, that falls by the wayside," Col. Khalsa said.

He thought a rule change would be a good idea, saying the presence of Sikh troops would be an asset in places where the United States is carrying out military operations, such as Afghanistan.

"The Army would be gaining successful, useful soldiers," he said.

Capt. Kalsi hopes he can be one of those troops and serve his country as generations of his family have done.

"That's what we connect with, that's part of our heritage," he said. "It links us to our past and our present and hopefully the future.

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so they rather wear a turban than a helmet if they are in a war zone?

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tu eres todo lo que me equilibra,

un balance, lo que me conplementa

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yes, but through history ..they were some bad azz fighters

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But when we turn to the Hebrew literature, we do not find such jokes about the donkey. Rather the animal is known for its strength and its loyalty to its master (Genesis 49:14; Numbers 22:30).

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so they rather wear a turban than a helmet if they are in a war zone?

I imagine they could make a bullet proof version - wrap the turban around a regular combat helmet or something.

According to an old episode of Only Fools and Horses - part of the turban has to be in physical contact with the person's head, but there should be an easy workaround for that (tucks the end under the helmet).

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so they rather wear a turban than a helmet if they are in a war zone?

I imagine they could make a bullet proof version - wrap the turban around a regular combat helmet or something.

According to an old episode of Only Fools and Horses - part of the turban has to be in physical contact with the person's head, but there should be an easy workaround for that (tucks the end under the helmet).

Actually, the Granth specifies that the 11-gurus-disciple (which is definition of Sikhs, 10 human gurus + Granth) states that the head "must be covered with a cloth" and that a topknot must be made under the cloth--hence the already-easy workaround of wearing kerchief-over-topknot.

(note: kerchief cannot be substituted out with beret, forage-cap or peaked-dress-cap--though these can be worn over the kerchief)

2005/07/10 I-129F filed for Pras

2005/11/07 I-129F approved, forwarded to NVC--to Chennai Consulate 2005/11/14

2005/12/02 Packet-3 received from Chennai

2005/12/21 Visa Interview Date

2006/04/04 Pras' entry into US at DTW

2006/04/15 Church Wedding at Novi (Detroit suburb), MI

2006/05/01 AOS Packet (I-485/I-131/I-765) filed at Chicago

2006/08/23 AP and EAD approved. Two down, 1.5 to go

2006/10/13 Pras' I-485 interview--APPROVED!

2006/10/27 Pras' conditional GC arrives -- .5 to go (2 yrs to Conditions Removal)

2008/07/21 I-751 (conditions removal) filed

2008/08/22 I-751 biometrics completed

2009/06/18 I-751 approved

2009/07/03 10-year GC received; last 0.5 done!

2009/07/23 Pras files N-400

2009/11/16 My 46TH birthday, Pras N-400 approved

2010/03/18 Pras' swear-in

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so they rather wear a turban than a helmet if they are in a war zone?

I imagine they could make a bullet proof version - wrap the turban around a regular combat helmet or something.

According to an old episode of Only Fools and Horses - part of the turban has to be in physical contact with the person's head, but there should be an easy workaround for that (tucks the end under the helmet).

Actually, the Granth specifies that the 11-gurus-disciple (which is definition of Sikhs, 10 human gurus + Granth) states that the head "must be covered with a cloth" and that a topknot must be made under the cloth--hence the already-easy workaround of wearing kerchief-over-topknot.

(note: kerchief cannot be substituted out with beret, forage-cap or peaked-dress-cap--though these can be worn over the kerchief)

You do (you must, surely) realise that I wasn't exactly being serious there... :unsure:

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so they rather wear a turban than a helmet if they are in a war zone?
I imagine they could make a bullet proof version - wrap the turban around a regular combat helmet or something.

According to an old episode of Only Fools and Horses - part of the turban has to be in physical contact with the person's head, but there should be an easy workaround for that (tucks the end under the helmet).

Actually, the Granth specifies that the 11-gurus-disciple (which is definition of Sikhs, 10 human gurus + Granth) states that the head "must be covered with a cloth" and that a topknot must be made under the cloth--hence the already-easy workaround of wearing kerchief-over-topknot.

(note: kerchief cannot be substituted out with beret, forage-cap or peaked-dress-cap--though these can be worn over the kerchief)

You do (you must, surely) realise that I wasn't exactly being serious there... :unsure:
:yes: I figured OFH wasn't exactly a serious show anyway.

2005/07/10 I-129F filed for Pras

2005/11/07 I-129F approved, forwarded to NVC--to Chennai Consulate 2005/11/14

2005/12/02 Packet-3 received from Chennai

2005/12/21 Visa Interview Date

2006/04/04 Pras' entry into US at DTW

2006/04/15 Church Wedding at Novi (Detroit suburb), MI

2006/05/01 AOS Packet (I-485/I-131/I-765) filed at Chicago

2006/08/23 AP and EAD approved. Two down, 1.5 to go

2006/10/13 Pras' I-485 interview--APPROVED!

2006/10/27 Pras' conditional GC arrives -- .5 to go (2 yrs to Conditions Removal)

2008/07/21 I-751 (conditions removal) filed

2008/08/22 I-751 biometrics completed

2009/06/18 I-751 approved

2009/07/03 10-year GC received; last 0.5 done!

2009/07/23 Pras files N-400

2009/11/16 My 46TH birthday, Pras N-400 approved

2010/03/18 Pras' swear-in

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As long as the LORD's beside me, I don't care if this road ever ends.

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I would be more concerned about the facial hair (beard) interferring with the gas mask/OBA...

My Advice is usually based on "Worst Case Scenario" and what is written in the rules/laws/instructions. That is the way I roll... -Protect your Status - file before your I-94 expires.

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I would be more concerned about the facial hair (beard) interferring with the gas mask/OBA...

:yes: Exactly...gmta

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